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Old 02-16-2012, 01:44 PM   #26621
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48. Kes (1969)
Drama, 110 minutes
Directed by Ken Loach
Starring David Bradley, Colin Welland and Brian Glover



Kes is a very British film, winning two BAFTA awards from its five nominations. Colin Welland won for Best Supporting Actor and was the only professional actor in the film. David Bradley won for Most Promising Newcomer.

The story deals with a troubled young boy, Billy Casper (Bradley). He is bullied by his older brother at home and treated similarly by his peers in school. He’s insolent, not above lying or stealing and does little to encourage people to like him. He’s a loner.

The setting is Barnsley, Yorkshire, in the north of England. If you have ever seen this part of England depicted in other films, you’ll know that it’s a poor area populated largely by working-class people. In the 1960s, that was very much the case. Billy’s brother worked in a coal mine, as did most of the town. The two had to share the same bed, so you can imagine how poor they were.

Anyone unfamiliar with British accents may find the thick Yorkshire dialect hard to follow. It’s the main reason that Kes wasn’t given a wide release outside England. I’m completely at home with the accent because my grandfather came from Barnsley. He often talked about his tough upbringing and it gives the film additional meaning for me. His father was a miner and my grandfather only escaped that fate by joining the army.

We see Billy on his paper route, taking time off to read his comic. He also steals eggs from the milkman. When his mother and brother go out to a bar on the weekends, Billy is left at home on his own. His brother beats him and the house is generally filled with the sound of his mother and brother arguing loudly. He doesn’t say much at school, but is often the target of bigger boys.

Early in the film, Billy is taking a walk through the countryside and spies a kestrel. He watches for a while and sees that two kestrels are taking food to a nest. After stealing a book about falconry from a local bookstore, he climbs up to the nest and takes a young kestrel. The bird provides an escape from his unpleasant existence and quickly becomes the focus of his life. This seemingly uneducated boy has discovered his passion. He reads the stolen book and trains the kestrel.

One day, in class, he is asked by a teacher, Mr. Farthing (Welland), to tell the other kids a true story about his life. He’s reluctant and says that he doesn’t have any, but one of the kids mentions his kestrel. This leads to one of the strongest and most emotional scenes in the film. He’s disinterested in everything he is taught and the people around him, but talking about the bird is a different matter.

Billy comes alive when he describes how he devotes his time to feeding and training the bird, who he names Kes. Farthing is engrossed in the story and sees for the first time that there’s more to Billy than he imagined. He starts to look out for the boy and even visits him to watch him train Kes. It’s a strong performance from Welland and he deserved his BAFTA award.

The other teachers wouldn’t have a job in modern society. They shout continually and are deeply suspicious of the kids’ behavior. The headmaster uses the cane and doesn’t seem to mind whether those being punished are truly to blame. The gym teacher cheats at soccer and punishes Billy with a cold shower for conceding a goal. Farthing is the only one who looks at the kids as if they are young people with a chance to make something of their lives.

There’s a strong political message in the film, confirmed during interviews in the special features, that many kids have no chance to escape their miserable reality. Billy visits a careers officer who only seems interested in placing him in a pigeon hole. He’ll either work in an office if he has the aptitude, or he’ll become a miner. The writers talk about how two-thirds of their generation suffered a similar fate. When we see Billy so animated, talking about Kes, it’s a sign of his true potential. Will it be recognized or will his life be written off by others as insignificant? This is the essence of the film, along with how Billy substitutes friendship with his love for Kes.

The kestrel seems to be a metaphor for children growing up in England during the 1960s. When nurtured, it thrives. It's capable of flying free and being a thing of beauty. But when reality intervenes, it's life is bleak and continually threatened.

Billy’s dishonest nature eventually becomes a problem for him and there are some extremely sad scenes.

The story is based on the book A Kestrel for a Knave by Barry Hines. Bradley was 14 when the film was made and was chosen from pupils who attended the school mentioned in the book. All of the children came from one of three schools in the town. The gym teacher (Brian Glover, Alien 3) was a real teacher at the time and Kes was his first film.

If you like Kes:

In many ways, Kes has a lot in common with The 400 Blows. It shows a troubled boy and depicts a tough existence. The school scenes always remind me of one another. Both films were mentioned by Krzysztof Kieslowski (The Double Life of Veronique) when the editors of Sight and Sound magazine asked him to name the 10 films which had most affected him. Both are very human stories dealing with childhood.
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Old 02-16-2012, 02:04 PM   #26622
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Ehh, Kes is ah dead good'en that un!
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People whose opinions I respect keep telling me to watch this, but something is holding me back. I don't like movies which outright try to be comedies. There are very few exceptions. Maybe I will weaken and watch it one day, but I'm almost certain I won't like it. Probably best to wait until I have an open mind, if that ever happens.
I'd wager a significant bet that you would really dislike it.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:25 PM   #26624
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I'd wager a significant bet that you would really dislike it.
It seems likely. Not my kind of comedy (from what I can gather).
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:36 PM   #26625
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People whose opinions I respect keep telling me to watch this, but something is holding me back. I don't like movies which outright try to be comedies. There are very few exceptions. Maybe I will weaken and watch it one day, but I'm almost certain I won't like it. Probably best to wait until I have an open mind, if that ever happens.
I'm kind of befuddled with this statement. What do you mean outright try to be comedies? Isn't a comedy's purpose to cause laughter? Or are you referring to comedies that try too hard at being comedies?
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:50 PM   #26626
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I'm kind of befuddled with this statement. What do you mean outright try to be comedies? Isn't a comedy's purpose to cause laughter? Or are you referring to comedies that try too hard at being comedies?
Well, stuff like The Hangover tries to make you laugh in every scene. That's not something that works for me. I can get on board with older things like Animal House, Monty Python, Pink Panther (Sellers) or Naked Gun, but if an ad for a movie says "hilarious" it usually means I'll hate it.

I like comedy that happens as part of a drama, where the characters are real people. I like clever humor and one-liners. So I would rather watch Tarantino, Coens, Wes Anderson, Reitman or Lynch. Woody Allen can make me laugh.

Recent additions that I consider comedies would be The Descendants, In Bruges or The Guard.

Hopefully you can see what I mean. Humor on its own isn't my kind of thing.

There are always exceptions. I did enjoy Horrible Bosses, but partly because Spacey is great at playing that kind of character.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:31 PM   #26627
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Well, stuff like The Hangover tries to make you laugh in every scene. That's not something that works for me. I can get on board with older things like Animal House, Monty Python, Pink Panther (Sellers) or Naked Gun, but if an ad for a movie says "hilarious" it usually means I'll hate it.
Now those are my kind of comedies!

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I like comedy that happens as part of a drama, where the characters are real people. I like clever humor and one-liners. So I would rather watch Tarantino, Coens, Wes Anderson, Reitman or Lynch. Woody Allen can make me laugh.

Recent additions that I consider comedies would be The Descendants, In Bruges or The Guard.
Those aren't.

My tastes tend to sway more heavily toward slapstick and low-brow humor, while most high-brow stuff eludes or bores me. However, I still believe that comedies today are lacking in a certain something that makes older stuff (like what's listed above) so great. Could it be a lack of good comedy actors? Or a lack of original humor? Or an overall change in what society considers funny? If it's the latter, then I'll wind up being an old fart who'll only laugh at 20th century comedy and scoff at 21st century comedy.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:37 PM   #26628
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Now those are my kind of comedies!



Those aren't.

My tastes tend to sway more heavily toward slapstick and low-brow humor, while most high-brow stuff eludes or bores me. However, I still believe that comedies today are lacking in a certain something that makes older stuff (like what's listed above) so great. Could it be a lack of good comedy actors? Or a lack of original humor? Or an overall change in what society considers funny? If it's the latter, then I'll wind up being an old fart who'll only laugh at 20th century comedy and scoff at 21st century comedy.
This is your sort of comedy...

[Show spoiler]


[Show spoiler]
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:48 PM   #26629
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Now those are my kind of comedies!



Those aren't.

My tastes tend to sway more heavily toward slapstick and low-brow humor, while most high-brow stuff eludes or bores me. However, I still believe that comedies today are lacking in a certain something that makes older stuff (like what's listed above) so great. Could it be a lack of good comedy actors? Or a lack of original humor? Or an overall change in what society considers funny? If it's the latter, then I'll wind up being an old fart who'll only laugh at 20th century comedy and scoff at 21st century comedy.
I'm not the best person to talk to when it comes to comedy because very few things make me laugh out loud. I tend to see the payoff coming from a mile away.

But...

I think in my case it's a combination of two things:

1) I'm nearly 50 years old and don't think it's funny to see people get hit in the balls five times in a row, run into a huge pair of breasts, or fail to make it to the toilet in time. I might have laughed at that when I was 20.

2) Is it possible some of the veteran comedies had better acting? It depends, or used to depend, on timing. Sellers, all the Python team, Steve Martin, Chevy Chase, Leslie Nielsen, John Belushi and Paul Hogan all had that.

Comedy is something I am extremely wary of today. Too many modern comedies have no original ideas. It's just aggressive, childish crap. They barely run 90 minutes because they are out of ideas by 45 minutes and just repeat the same jokes twice before thinking they have earned your money. They go in with the mentality of let's try and shock people and give the minimum possible effort for this to qualify as a full-length movie (Jack and Jill).

I had better shut up now. I don't mean to belittle anyone who likes the modern style. As I say, I'm old. I'm not used to certain styles.

Watching dumb crap only encourages them to churn out more and it prevents funding for proper movies
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:32 PM   #26630
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This is your sort of comedy...

[Show spoiler]


[Show spoiler]
I totally want to see that!

[Show spoiler]Believe it or not, I do think Uwe Boll could be better as a comedy director than as a serious action/horror/drama director. "Postal" was surprisingly entertaining.
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I'm not the best person to talk to when it comes to comedy because very few things make me laugh out loud. I tend to see the payoff coming from a mile away.

But...

I think in my case it's a combination of two things:

1) I'm nearly 50 years old and don't think it's funny to see people get hit in the balls five times in a row, run into a huge pair of breasts, or fail to make it to the toilet in time. I might have laughed at that when I was 20.

2) Is it possible some of the veteran comedies had better acting? It depends, or used to depend, on timing. Sellers, all the Python team, Steve Martin, Chevy Chase, Leslie Nielsen, John Belushi and Paul Hogan all had that.

Comedy is something I am extremely wary of today. Too many modern comedies have no original ideas. It's just aggressive, childish crap. They barely run 90 minutes because they are out of ideas by 45 minutes and just repeat the same jokes twice before thinking they have earned your money. They go in with the mentality of let's try and shock people and give the minimum possible effort for this to qualify as a full-length movie (Jack and Jill).

I had better shut up now. I don't mean to belittle anyone who likes the modern style. As I say, I'm old. I'm not used to certain styles.

Watching dumb crap only encourages them to churn out more and it prevents funding for proper movies
I'm not afraid to bash the modern comedies.

I agree that some of the cruder jokes just don't cut it. These days, there seems to be an awful lot more gross-out comedy and jokes involving bodily fluids and sex. Maybe the young folks dig it, but it's a huge hit-and-a-miss with me. In fact, that kind of stuff was why I hated the first two "Scary Movie" movies when I saw them.

The question came up with my folks concerning what comedy stars do we have today. We got people like Seth Rogan, Jonah Hill, Michael Cera, Jack Black, and I don't even know who else. None of them hold a candle to the classic actors imo. Will Farrell is one dude I hold in higher regard, but mostly because I grew up with his SNL skits. There are a few dudes who've been around, like Ben Stiller and Jim Carrey, but they're getting old. These days, we just don't have anybody like Leslie Nielsen, Bill Murray, Peter Sellers, Steve Martin, etc etc etc. Heck, I'd kill for somebody like Chris Farley.

Agh, maybe I'm just turning old like Steve. (no offense) Maybe someday, they'll return to form and give us talented comedians and good-natured comedies again.

Rant over.
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I totally want to see that!

[Show spoiler]Believe it or not, I do think Uwe Boll could be better as a comedy director than as a serious action/horror/drama director. "Postal" was surprisingly entertaining.
But...it's called Blubberella
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Anna Kendrick is absolutely adorable in this movie, more so than Up In the Air. But that's just my humble opinion.
It's not just your opinion. I agree with you.

I don't agree with your rating for the movie, but Seth Rogen's character didn't bother me at all, so that helped obviously. I'd rate 50/50 amongst the best comedies of the year (Crazy, Stupid, Love. and Friends with Benefits). That's just my opinion of course.
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Well, stuff like The Hangover tries to make you laugh in every scene. That's not something that works for me. I can get on board with older things like Animal House, Monty Python, Pink Panther (Sellers) or Naked Gun, but if an ad for a movie says "hilarious" it usually means I'll hate it.

I like comedy that happens as part of a drama, where the characters are real people. I like clever humor and one-liners. So I would rather watch Tarantino, Coens, Wes Anderson, Reitman or Lynch. Woody Allen can make me laugh.

Recent additions that I consider comedies would be The Descendants, In Bruges or The Guard.

Hopefully you can see what I mean. Humor on its own isn't my kind of thing.

There are always exceptions. I did enjoy Horrible Bosses, but partly because Spacey is great at playing that kind of character.
Funny, I think the both of us see eye to eye when it comes to comedy in some ways. Typically the ones you listed out are my favorite forms of comedy, but the ones you described you don't like I enjoy to an extent as well.
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I forgot to mention The Artist is now showing near me due to it's wins at the BAFTA's, so I will be doing everything in my power to go watch it, hopefully I'll be on here next week as happy with the film as Surf and Squid have been
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Film: 4/5
-thanks Squid for the recommendation
-fantasy type film about 2 kids in england who find a bunch of money (English pounds) just before the ENglish pound is to be converted to the Euro (after which the English pound will be worthless), so they have a moral dilemma with the money - should they spend it? how? should they return it? why?
-the film has lots of fantasy elements, including lots of fantasy images of Saints, since one of the kids is a Saint memory database, so sees Saints everywhere (I guess he is hallucinating, but its not clear). The saints talk to him and give him words of encouragement that he uses when deciding what to do with the money
-Great film overall that had incredible imagination and imagery, reminding me of The Fall (kids imagining fantasy scenarios) as well as The Mighty (2 kids who are also on a noble quest, and evoke historical entities along the way - in Freak the Might it is knights that they see and talk to . here it is saints)
-I can't explain why I didn't give it a perfect score, like what I gave The Fall. I just wasn't as moved watching it as I was when i watched The Fall or other fantasy dramas involving kids. Perhaps part of it was that it wasn't always clear what the direction of the film was - is it about the money they found and figuring out what to do with it? or about their family dynamics? or about themes which encompass all? hard to get a grasp on the main theme I guess
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Film: 4/5
-thanks Squid for the recommendation
-fantasy type film about 2 kids in england who find a bunch of money (English pounds) just before the ENglish pound is to be converted to the Euro (after which the English pound will be worthless), so they have a moral dilemma with the money - should they spend it? how? should they return it? why?
-the film has lots of fantasy elements, including lots of fantasy images of Saints, since one of the kids is a Saint memory database, so sees Saints everywhere (I guess he is hallucinating, but its not clear). The saints talk to him and give him words of encouragement that he uses when deciding what to do with the money
-Great film overall that had incredible imagination and imagery, reminding me of The Fall (kids imagining fantasy scenarios) as well as The Mighty (2 kids who are also on a noble quest, and evoke historical entities along the way - in Freak the Might it is knights that they see and talk to . here it is saints)
-I can't explain why I didn't give it a perfect score, like what I gave The Fall. I just wasn't as moved watching it as I was when i watched The Fall or other fantasy dramas involving kids. Perhaps part of it was that it wasn't always clear what the direction of the film was - is it about the money they found and figuring out what to do with it? or about their family dynamics? or about themes which encompass all? hard to get a grasp on the main theme I guess
I had no idea they had stopped using pounds. Seven years since I escaped.
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I don't think they have - just for this fictionalized script.
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Film: 4/5
Really, really like this film. I think it's by far Boyle's most underrated work that gets lost and undermentioned when people discuss his work. Really enjoyed it for all of the reasons you listed. Hopefully this get's a Blu-ray release sometime in the near future.
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