Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[retablo]

I'm still laughing at people who think TT should have "quality control" and should somehow magically know if any frames of color timing have been changed. I'd love to hear just how they're supposed to do this, without shelling out more money for the personal involvement of the director or DP (which should come at the mastering level anyway, which would be on the studio, not Twilight Time). Higher cost also means an even higher MSRP, so I guess that's what people want?

[hamchuck1]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Hopefully people can get their money back since they had no clue what kind of video quality they were getting until they purchased this blu ray, since basically the only way to get this was when it went up for pre-order and no one had the chance to review or see it. I guess that's the problem with this buy it now or else mentality of Twilight Time. Maybe they should at least post some screen shots before these things go up for pre-order so people may at least have a clue what they're getting into.

YES!!!! this should be a requirement for this type of business practice!

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Undeadcow

Their statement seems to imply Twilight Time believes the tint change was intentional and significantly different from the original feature.

I was meaning intensional in respect the the Directors etc intent.

[AndrewFM]

Originally Posted by retablo

I'm still laughing at people who think TT should have "quality control" and should somehow magically know if any frames of color timing have been changed. I'd love to hear just how they're supposed to do this, without shelling out more money for the personal involvement of the director or DP (which should come at the mastering level anyway, which would be on the studio, not Twilight Time). Higher cost also means an even higher MSRP, so I guess that's what people want?

Well, I'm going to make my own mind up. But the way I see it - there is no strong consensus. Apart from the small minorities of people who like the new look or don't care, there seems to be two big dissenters:

- "This film looks okay, but it's been changed and that's bad"
- "This film is unwatchable! It's too dark, too blue, it's an error!"

I think the first of the two seems to be more true. The second is the one trying to make the case for a replacement, people who know ultimately they weren't given a "defective" disc, but are trying to make the case anyway because they are so unhappy.

[GxyExpress999]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Hmm. TT posted this response to a facebook comment about 2 hours ago:

I find it more than a little odd that they would say that last part.

The only thing that tells me is that they don't want returns.

"...would you really want to return your copy given there is a possibility this will be the only BD release of the title? Something to think about. "

"...its value will doubtless skyrocket in the coming months. "

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Hmm. TT posted this response to a facebook comment about 2 hours ago:


I find it more than a little odd that they would say that last part.

Let's face it. TT does NOT want to issue replacement discs for this movie. This is a small boutique Blu-ray and DVD label. To just break even on this disc would definitley hurt the company, at least in the short term. I put myself in their shoes and I pondered the question "would I do a replacement on this disc even if I would lose money"? The answer for me would be yes. I would want to give what my customers thought they were paying for and I think customer good will would be best long term. Somebody at TT should have sat down and actually watched the transfer. As far as I'm concerned, they failed in their quality control even though Sony handled the transfer. Doing replacements discs for such a small company as TT is not an easy decision but that's what I would do...

[Ned Schneebly]

I wish this thread could be locked to only allow actual updates, it's impossible to shift through an insane amount of new pages to see if any official party has provided any new information

This back and forward stuff is crazy. Is there really anything left to argue about/discuss? The color has been changed, some are ok with it most are not. TT is in communication with people actually responsible for the transfer. You can get a refund regardless. Has anything new been answered? I don't know there's 100 new pages since last night!

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

Let's face it. TT does NOT want to issue replacement discs for this movie. This is a small boutique Blu-ray and DVD label. To just break even on this disc would definitley hurt the company, at least in the short term. I put myself in their shoes and I pondered the question "would I do a replacement on this disc even if I would lose money". The answer for me would be yes. I would want to give what my customers thought they were paying for and I think customer good will would be best long term. Somebody at TT should have sat down and actually watched the transfer. As far as I'm concerned, they failed in their quality control even though Sony handled the transfer. Doing replacements discs for such a small company as TT is not an easy decision but that's what I would do...

Again you are only guessing this question has not been answered yet.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Ned Schneebly

I wish this thread could be locked to only allow actual updates, it's impossible to shift through an insane amount of new pages to see if any official party has provided any new information

This back and forward stuff is crazy. Is there really anything left to argue about/discuss? The color has been changed, some are ok with it most are not. TT is in communication with people actually responsible for the transfer. You can get a refund regardless. Has anything new been answered? I don't know there's 100 new pages since last night!

No news yet.

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by Undeadcow

If there are an equal number of fans who love the blue tint they do not seem to be on any message boards I frequent. It must be nice to live in a self assuring world.

I'm trying to reserve judgment (amid the chaos -- it took me over an hour to get caught up on this thread!) until I see the darned thing, but I've got to say, I've never particularly appreciated the (overly?) bright, sunshiny quality of the first half hour of this film. On the other hand, I tend to be anti-revisionist under almost any circumstances.

Bottom line -- I imagine I'll hold on to it. NOTLD90 is a bit of a mixed bag to begin with. Who knows? There's an outside chance I'll prefer the darker version. If I don't? Well, TT is offering me my money back.

Why are people insisting on making it about them? Naturally they didn't make it this way -- Sony did, either with or without the input of someone who worked behind the camera. For sheer entertainment value, it would be interesting to see what'd happen to this thread if Savini or Romero came out and said, "Intentional." Whoah, baby.

People are dissatisfied -- send it back. And heck, send Sony an email while you're at it. This doesn't have to be yet another all-out, drag-down war about Twilight Time.

Many of the more sensible voices around here are being dismissed as "apologists", which I simply don't understand. They're not apologizing for TT; they're simply pointing out that they released what Sony gave them and probably had absolutely (a) no say in the matter, and (b) no idea what a shitstorm OCD horror fans would kick up as a result despite being offered a full refund. No harm, no foul.

I mean, if someone ran over my cat I'd probably be more understanding than some of the folks 'round here.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

I'm trying to reserve judgment (amid the chaos -- it took me over an hour to get caught up on this thread!) until I see the darned thing, but I've got to say, I've never particularly appreciated the (overly?) bright, sunshiny quality of the first half hour of this film. On the other hand, I tend to be anti-revisionist under almost any circumstances.

Bottom line -- I imagine I'll hold on to it. NOTLD90 is a bit of a mixed bag to begin with. Who knows? There's an outside chance I'll prefer the darker version. If I don't? Well, TT is offering me my money back.

Why are people insisting on making it about them? Naturally they didn't make it this way -- Sony did, either with or without the input of someone who worked behind the camera. For sheer entertainment value, it would be interesting to see what'd happen to this thread if Savini or Romero came out and said, "Intentional." Whoah, baby.

People are dissatisfied -- send it back. And heck, send Sony an email while you're at it. This doesn't have to be yet another all-out, drag-down war about Twilight Time.

Many of the more sensible voices around here are being dismissed as "apologists", which I simply don't understand. They're not apologizing for TT; they're simply pointing out that they released what Sony gave them and probably had absolutely (a) no say in the matter, and (b) no idea what a shitstorm OCD horror fans would kick up as a result despite being offered a full refund. No harm, no foul.

I mean, if someone ran over my cat I'd probably be more understanding than some of the folks 'round here.

If they say we or i did it, sit back and enjoy the movie. If not and someone took it upon themselves, return it.........simple.

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Again you are only guessing this question has not been answered yet.

I already know the answer. Unless Sony steps in the only opition will be a refund of the original purchase. TT will probably be able to resell the used disc at the same price or more with a disclaimer. Personally, I didn't have too big a problem with the transfer. Yes. The first 20 minutes are overly dark in this new Blu-ray but after that the transfer is actually quite good. But that's not the point. This is not the way the film looked in it's original theatrical engagment or it's subsequent DVD release.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by GxyExpress999

The only thing that tells me is that they don't want returns.

"...would you really want to return your copy given there is a possibility this will be the only BD release of the title? Something to think about. "

"...its value will doubtless skyrocket in the coming months. "

Glad that somebody puts these titles out that may have otherwise not, but I've never been a fan of their scarcity/hey it's collectable approach to movies. Movies are meant to be watched, this doesn't help.

[deadhamster76]

i love my copy it is nothing like the screenshots and im very happy with it

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

Let's face it. TT does NOT want to issue replacement discs for this movie. This is a small boutique Blu-ray and DVD label. To just break even on this disc would definitley hurt the company, at least in the short term. I put myself in their shoes and I pondered the question "would I do a replacement on this disc even if I would lose money"? The answer for me would be yes. I would want to give what my customers thought they were paying for and I think customer good will would be best long term. Somebody at TT should have sat down and actually watched the transfer. As far as I'm concerned, they failed in their quality control even though Sony handled the transfer. Doing replacements discs for such a small company as TT is not an easy decision but that's what I would do...

You did not put yourself in their shoes. Run allot of small businesses have you?

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

You did not put yourself in their shoes. Run allot of small businesses have you?

No. But I do have a sense of right and wrong even if it means a loss of money. I agree that my decision would not be the norm. But it would be the right thing to do...

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

I already know the answer. Unless Sony steps in the only opition will be a refund of the original purchase. TT will probably be able to resell the used disc at the same price or more with a disclaimer. Personally, I didn't have too big a problem with the transfer. Yes. The first 20 minutes are overly dark in this new Blu-ray but after that the transfer is actually quite good. But that's not the point. This is not the way the film looked in it's original theatrical engagment or it's subsequent DVD release.

But is it the way George or Tom etc wanted it, this is the crux of the matter.

I have a hunch it isn't but we shall see.

[Ned Schneebly]

So after watching the movie again for the first time after probably the early 90s, I think the guy at the beginning who kept saying, "I'm sorry I'm sorry!" was responsible for the whole zombie outbreak!

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by Ned Schneebly

So after watching the movie again for the first time after probably the early 90s, I think the guy at the beginning who kept saying, "I'm sorry I'm sorry!" was responsible for the whole zombie outbreak!

He worked for Sony I believe.

[Yankees0222]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

No. But I do have a sense of right and wrong even if it means a loss of money. I agree that my decision would not be the norm. But it would be the right thing to do...

Everyone knows what the right and wrong thing to do would be.... But if it came down to your money/business, I'm guessing you (or anyone) would be hesitant. Especially if you're a small start up company