has anybody seen the new panasonic plasmas yet?

[MaleManGuy]

Originally Posted by werewuf

Sorry, but the current Pioneer line is the best reviewed in recent history. Many reviewers have gone on record saying the the Kuro line are the best flat panel tv's ever.There is a huge difference in quality. The black level produced by the new Pio's are what creates this reality, so good are their pictures that the reviewers have gone on record as stating that Pioneer's 720P tv's have superior quality than all the competitions 1080P tv's.

Yup... Pioneer was best rated for their OLD product, the Kuro line. The extreme contrast models will not be out for another year or TWO. In the meantime... Panansonic steams ahead with better panels... hurry up Pioneer. I'd love to see the new panels from panny :-) They ought to blow away the older pioneers. (Kuro is old now... altho still good)

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by MaleManGuy

Yup... Pioneer was best rated for their OLD product, the Kuro line. The extreme contrast models will not be out for another year or TWO. In the meantime... Panansonic steams ahead with better panels... hurry up Pioneer. I'd love to see the new panels from panny :-) They ought to blow away the older pioneers. (Kuro is old now... altho still good)

Agreed - when the Panny sets came out last year the TH-50PZ750U was being reviewed by Gary Merson as being better than the Elite 50" 1080p PRO-FHD1 in several areas.

http://hdguru.com/?p=100

The TH-50PZ750 placed side by side with the Pioneer PRO-FHD1 made for an interesting comparison. How did the Panasonic’s image look? In a word: WOW. The overall picture quality excelled in reproducing dark and bright level details with a high contrast ratio.

The TH-50PZ750’s color accuracy was the best I have seen on a plasma display and it was the only panel evaluated that produces a true red. Comparing the Pioneer when viewing The Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift on HD DVD clearly showed the difference between Panasonic red and Pioneer red. The same car is red on the TH-50PZ750 and orange on the Pioneer. Ditto for the neon signs and lights of the Ginza in Tokyo at night, where red lights appear crimson versus Pioneer’s orange-y reds. Speaking of night scenes, the Panasonic’s deeper blacks revealed details that the Pioneer (and other plasmas) obscured, as if a veil had been lifted off the Pioneer’s panel.

Jay Leno’s blue sport jacket’s pinstripes provided a fine example of the Panasonic’s superior image. Both panels reproduced the pinstripes; but they were more distinct on the TH-50PZ750. The effect is not subtle; five friends performed the side-by-side tests with a variety of source material. They all picked the Panasonic as the best panel.

In conclusion, the Panasonic TH-50PZ750 is simply the best high definition display I have ever reviewed. With a retail of $3999 and an expected street price that will be even lower, I would also consider it a bargain.

It's back and forth with Panasonic and Pioneer. I believe the new -800 and -850 series will be better than the current 1080p Kuro's, but then Pioneer will bring out their 9th generation. Panasonic is currently on their 11th generation.

Panasonic always have the highest rated plasmas for reliability as well in all sizes, by Consumer Reports. They also had 38% of the market last year (I believe)

You can't go wrong with either. Good to see Panny are bringing out some 24p capable models this year also, the -800 and -850 series.

[ManUtd]

Originally Posted by MaleManGuy

I'd love to see the new panels from panny :-) They ought to blow away the older pioneers. (Kuro is old now... altho still good)

Originally Posted by dobyblue

It's back and forth with Panasonic and Pioneer. I believe the new -800 and -850 series will be better than the current 1080p Kuro's, but then Pioneer will bring out their 9th generation. Panasonic is currently on their 11th generation.

Don't get me wrong, I love it when companies like Pioneer and Panasonic compete for better products, good for us consumers. But until anyone credible has actually compared the 8G Pioneer with the 11G Panasonic, the statements above are pure speculation. Anyways, I want to see a Kuro Elite vs. 800/850 series comparo. If the 800/850 are anywhere close to the Kuro Elite I might get one for my bedroom.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

Don't get me wrong, I love it when companies like Pioneer and Panasonic compete for better products, good for us consumers. But until anyone credible has actually compared the 8G Pioneer with the 11G Panasonic, the statements above are pure speculation. Anyways, I want to see a Kuro Elite vs. 800/850 series comparo. If the 800/850 are anywhere close to the Kuro Elite I might get one for my bedroom.

It's pure speculation based on history, nothing more.

[BrahmaBull]

Just stopped at Best Buy - Walden Galeria - Buffalo, NY

They have the TH-50PZ800U on display!

Ofcourse its signal is shit - store loop - but it is a cool looking design.

The guy was like "yeah we decided to hook up the 85U to the blu-ray player"

Me: "Why not the one that does the 24p properly?"

Him: "good point"

Anyways, nice to see it in stores.

[elwaylite]

My 85u is nice, so Im sure the 800u is good.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by BrahmaBull

Just stopped at Best Buy - Walden Galeria - Buffalo, NY

They have the TH-50PZ800U on display!

Ofcourse its signal is shit - store loop - but it is a cool looking design.

The guy was like "yeah we decided to hook up the 85U to the blu-ray player"

Me: "Why not the one that does the 24p properly?"

Him: "good point"

Anyways, nice to see it in stores.

Great news!!!! I can't wait to see some reviews on this.
Get on those idiots - they should totally have the Blu-ray on the -800U.
Next time I come across the border for some Rock Band, let's go hassle them.

[BrahmaBull]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Great news!!!! I can't wait to see some reviews on this.
Get on those idiots - they should totally have the Blu-ray on the -800U.
Next time I come across the border for some Rock Band, let's go hassle them.

for sure!

Now that these are in store - it would be nice to see Panasonic acknowledge this model exists and put it on their website.

[MaleManGuy]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

Don't get me wrong, I love it when companies like Pioneer and Panasonic compete for better products, good for us consumers. But until anyone credible has actually compared the 8G Pioneer with the 11G Panasonic, the statements above are pure speculation. Anyways, I want to see a Kuro Elite vs. 800/850 series comparo. If the 800/850 are anywhere close to the Kuro Elite I might get one for my bedroom.

It's likely the blacks will be blacker on the new panasonic lineup. It's hard to find published contrast ratios for the Kuro... but I managed to find one retail store that put it at 20,000 - which I think is generous for the Kuro. 30,000 on the panasonic ought to make it look pretty bright ;-) I enjopy my PZ750U... I love the natural skin tone colors and more... it's just amazing. Skin tones tend to look so washed out on just about all LCD's I've seen... the panasonics are awesome. I am considering selling my 2 month old plasma to get a new panasonic! call me an upgrade freak..lol... but I will at least check them out first.