The Amazing Spider-Man - Nov 09, 2012 Reviews

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by eastx

Deleting my comment that criticized the review... That's weak, whoever did that. The images may have been fixed, but it's not like you went back in and made the paragraphs have less than 20 sentences (exaggeration) apiece.



Unless you wrote that review, it doesn't work at all as a response in the debate you're having. And I'm with the other guys. The tone and chemistry in this movie are ten, maybe twenty times closer to the actual comics. Nitpicking little tiny differences means nothing when the Raimi films have much, much larger differences, and a goofy tone with zero chemistry between the leads.

I really dont care about Love chemistry. That for Twilight folks.
The review is heavy handed, but I agree that the Peter tweaks are at the core of what I have issues with.

When he gets his Spider-Man powers nothing really changes for Parker; instead the movie has him just becoming even more of the smoldering, dangerous hunk. It’s a stupid choice, and it robs Spider-Man of the aspirational qualities the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko character always had - that any one of us schlubs could become something special tomorrow, purely by chance. The movie makes Peter always a ‘hero’ of sorts, standing up to bully Flash Thompson long before he gets bitten. This means that the spider bite only brought out what Peter inherently had within him; the beauty of the original stories is that Peter must always strive to match up to the power he has received. He’s no natural hero, he’s working at it every single day.

Did u read Spider-man at all?

[Blu-Dre]

I'm hoping the "A Hero Will Rise" exclusive disc will end up being sold separately here or somewhere, like the Avengers exclusive disc was. I'm getting the Steelbook, but I'm very interested in having that bonus disc as well.

[eastx]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Did u read Spider-man at all?

I've read tons of Spider-man, most recently the awesome David Michelinie and Todd McFarlane Amazing Spider-Man Omnibus over the summer.

First off, I don't agree that Spider-Man's struggle all boils down to that one thing. That's a valid interpretation (perhaps based mostly on the Raimi films), but it's not a constant theme of the books. In fact, in the book I just mentioned, I don't think it's there, period. Far more common and integral to the character is his being witty and teasing his opponents, an element which you'll see in almost every Spider-Man comic ever but is virtually absent from the Raimi movies. They have the character, but his personality isn't there.

In the books I read, Spidey is challenged by lots of things, including love and financial woes. But they do not involve Peter constantly bumbling around, getting pushed and shoved by everyone he meets despite his advanced reaction time and spider speed, getting fired by pizza guys for stupid things, and basically failing at nearly everything he does. The real Spider-man is not a loser and he's not that mopey.

Also, the chemistry between the two leads does matter from any objective standpoint. You may not care how well Peter and MJ or Gwen get along, but both the Raimi movies and ASM hang a significant portion of the plot on exactly that. If the audience doesn't buy that they care about each other or the relationship is written poorly (Raimi films), then the film doesn't work as a whole.

Even if you care more about action than romance (and what dude doesn't), ASM's action and special effects are orders of magnitude better than the Raimi films, so it holds up there just as well.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

I really dont care about Love chemistry. That for Twilight folks.

I can't tell you how often the Twilight love chemistry stuff has come up in my Spider-Man comics. If you don't care about that then why are you even bothering to debate about anything in relation to this character? His whole life and existence revolves around love, for his "parents" (adoptive in case you didn't get the quotations meaning that sarcastically), and for the two women that have been in his life for ages in the comics (MJ and Gwen).

But then again, I am talking to Batmon....You rarely contribute anything in these kinds of threads other than contradictions to what other people post. (or at least from what I've seen it seems that way)

[Bk_Tan]

I find it quite pathetic some people think anything sentimental equals to Twilight.

For one, you must be a real great catch. Second, have you even seen Twilight? That's sentimental? Jesus.

The Internet is as much a blessing as it is a burden. Foolishness should stay with the individual not broadcasted.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by Bk_Tan

I find it quite pathetic some people think anything sentimental equals to Twilight.

For one, you must be a real great catch. Second, have you even seen Twilight? That's sentimental? Jesus.

The Internet is as much a blessing as it is a burden. Foolishness should stay with the individual not broadcasted.

In case you haven't heard, teens didn't have relationships in films until Twilight was made. When Twilight came out, it comepletely negated all other teen sentiment in film that came before it.

[poke smot]

sorry but i found the flirting almost unbearable in this flick. way too much and drawn out. yes there can be romance, but it just seemed kind of lame to me. overall i liked amazing spiderman and will be buying day 1. bb 3d steelie here i come!

[bone crusher]

I'll be buying the SteelBook from Futureshop for this movie. This should be a great blind buy!

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by RJ Smoove

In case you haven't heard, teens didn't have relationships in films until Twilight was made. When Twilight came out, it comepletely negated all other teen sentiment in film that came before it.

High-five, man.

There was footage from one of the premieres, where some two-bit journalist, for one of those shitting entertainment programmes, asked Andrew Garfield if they'd up'd the romance angle, to appeal to Twilight fans. Garfield looks at him, as if to say "WTF are you babbling about?!"

[Bolty]

There was a scene in the 1960s, somewhere in the issue 70s where Parker gets pissed at Flash and picks him up and is about to destroy him and then he backs off--exactly like in the movie.

So yeah, that was a part of the 1960s history.

As for aunt May, it would have been straight up stupid to portray her in a 2012 movie the way she was shown in the 1960s--as a befuddled, always sickly, sterotype of an old bitty.

And Sally Fields is 65, but I'm sure she will appreciate the compliment that she looks in her 50s!

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by RJ Smoove

I can't tell you how often the Twilight love chemistry stuff has come up in my Spider-Man comics. If you don't care about that then why are you even bothering to debate about anything in relation to this character? His whole life and existence revolves around love, for his "parents" (adoptive in case you didn't get the quotations meaning that sarcastically), and for the two women that have been in his life for ages in the comics (MJ and Gwen).

Ill have to disagree with your idea of Peter Parker's life revolving around Aunt May and his girlfriends.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Ill have to disagree with your idea of Peter Parker's life revolving around Aunt May and his girlfriends.

MJ and May are front and center in so many of his arcs, that it's hard to not to. Not in every issue, but in many of the Spidey books I've read he grapples with doing things to protect MJ and Aunt May, while staying true to his role as a "hero". But not just May and his girlfriends, but his uncle as well, seeing how his "with great power there must also come great responsibility" phrase is one of the basis of Spider-Man's morals. The quote may not originate with Uncle Ben, but it has been used as a strong enough literary device to attribute it to him. Of course, in my opinion.

[Bolty]

Much more than most other comics in the 1960s Spider-man was divided between his 'civilian' life (girlfriends, school life, aunt, job at Bugle, etc.) and his activities as a super-hero.

All 4 movies have reflected that and gained a decent female audience % in the process.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Kind of a low 3D score! I thought the 3D in this was supposed to be very good? I never got a chance to see it in the theatre, is the 3D really just ho-hum average?

Hi Rick.
In a nutshell, excluding the action scenes, as I indicated here about a week and ½ ago….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...90#post6612190

the vast majority of the ‘Amazing’ flick is as flat as a pancake.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

This movie had IMAX scenes?

Hi Sap.

For the IMAX presentations the aspect ratio was different (from the typically presented 2.39:1 ratio as in the traditional cinema theatrical presentations) to a more opened up 1.9:1 aspect ratio (which in Digital IMAX corresponds to a 2048x1080 image) for several dramatic scenes.

[Edword]

Originally Posted by faglun

Anyone knows if the steelbooks will hit the stores early lie brave preorder bonus ... thanks!

That isn't so much that the Brave pre-orders are "hitting stores early". It's the employees actually letting them be sold early.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hi Rick.
In a nutshell, excluding the action scenes, as I indicated here about a week and ½ ago….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...90#post6612190

the vast majority of the ‘Amazing’ flick is as flat as a pancake.

Penton,

Glad to see you back! That's a shame about the 3D. I'm still excited to see this movie, as most I've talked to had pretty good things to say about it!

As a retired comic geek(is that even possible?), I'll always have a soft spot for comicbook movies!

[KACENAID]

I have my pre-order for the 2D release from Amazon, with Amazon Prime shipping that's supposed to arrive on release day, but my shipping estimate says I won't get it until the 13th.

Anybody else have this? I already had a delay issue with my copy of The Great Mouse Detective due to backorder.


Edit: Now it says the 9th again.

[Metal_Mark]

Just saw the screenshots.

Why the image is so dark ?

[Shumi]

Originally Posted by RachaelLane1984

Oh, okay. Yeah, I've been trying to find out that same thing for awhile now but haven't been able to find anything either.

According to amazon japan, the walmart and the target exclusive disc will only have about 20min of content each.

Japan is getting the best edition with the 3D blu-ray, 2D blu-ray, special feature blu-ray, "a hero will rise" DVD (target exclusive in USA) and "unmask the secrets behind the lizard" DVD (walmart exclusive in USA)