Mac or PC?

[simpspin]

Kind of old, but still very funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEAGmBRC1dc

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Beefbowl

Thanks for everybody's post. I don't plan on using my computer for gaming, the last game I played on the PC was the orginal Diablo. I have game consoles for all my gaming.

Also speaking as a PS3 owner who wasn't aware there even were games that came out on PC disks anymore , given that PC's STILL use "You can't play games!" as an excuse not to buy a Mac--after 13 years--I'm just waiting for the Apple ads to finally take the low road just once and bury this one once and for all, in Apple-owner style:

---
<Apple music>
Mac: "Hi, I'm a Mac."
PC: <with game controller> "And I'm a PC...Hah, take that, got 'em!"
Mac: "What're you doing there?"
PC: "Oh, just the latest game on CD-Rom...Y'know, all the kids say, you want those hit, hot games, you get a PC--Bet you wish you could be playing this one right now, huh?"
Mac: "Yeah, I've seen that on the console machines, but I don't really spend too much of my spare time on that."
PC: "...W-what d'you mean, 'Spare time'?"
Mac: "Well, the insides, how's your working computer?--Music, video, editing, software, processing speed, Internet, connectability...You know, all the grownup stuff you spend the money on to buy the computer for in the first place."
PC: "Wait: First it's 'Spare time', and now it's 'Grown-up stuff'...You're saying something about ME, aren't you?"
Mac: "No, I wasn't saying anything. Games are fine."
PC: "Look, I was at my high school reunion last week, and--"
Mac: "You're really reading too much into this."
<logo>
Mac: "I mean, I've got a copy of Tomb Raider you could--"
PC: "Oh, shut up."

[Lord_Phan]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Also speaking as a PS3 owner who wasn't aware there even were games that came out on PC disks anymore , given that PC's STILL use "You can't play games!" as an excuse not to buy a Mac--after 13 years--I'm just waiting for the Apple ads to finally take the low road just once and bury this one once and for all, in Apple-owner style:

---
<Apple music>
Mac: "Hi, I'm a Mac."
PC: <with game controller> "And I'm a PC...Hah, take that, got 'em!"
Mac: "What're you doing there?"
PC: "Oh, just the latest game on CD-Rom...Y'know, all the kids say, you want those hit, hot games, you get a PC--Bet you wish you could be playing this one right now, huh?"
Mac: "Yeah, I've seen that on the console machines, but I don't really spend too much of my spare time on that."
PC: "...W-what d'you mean, 'Spare time'?"
Mac: "Well, the insides, how's your working computer?--Music, video, editing, software, processing speed, Internet, connectability...You know, all the grownup stuff you spend the money on to buy the computer for in the first place."
PC: "Wait: First it's 'Spare time', and now it's 'Grown-up stuff'...You're saying something about ME, aren't you?"
Mac: "No, I wasn't saying anything. Games are fine."
PC: "Look, I was at my high school reunion last week, and--"
Mac: "You're really reading too much into this."
<logo>
Mac: "I mean, I've got a copy of Tomb Raider you could--"
PC: "Oh, shut up."

You're an idiot, Gaming on PC is far better than your Console. The PS3 was technologically outdated before it was released. As are all consoles. You've obviously never seen a gaming pc before.

[Spankey]

And I do admit that when Mac users, when confronted with the lesser choice in sofware library, respond "dual boot Windows", it does make me laugh.

Mac users are not confronted with a lesser choice in software. Like PC users there is a DIFFERENT choice of software. What do PC users do when there is Mac software that is not available to them? Nothing. If there is ONE application a person must have that is only available to Windows users they have an option.

A Mac still offers those who want to use the computer for more than JUST games, longevity, security, a better OS and far more enjoyable computing experience.

I've used all the arguments in the past as reasons not to get a Mac. Those arguments no longer have any merit. They are just talking points from another decade.

FROM PC MAGAZINE

Leopard again raises the question of whether to switch from Windows to a Mac. I've found Vista to be a major disappointment that tends to look worse the more I use it. I still use Windows XP for getting serious work done in long, complicated documents. But OS X is easier to manage and maintain and I vastly prefer OS X to Windows for Web-browsing, mail, and especially for any task that involves graphics, music, or video. Leopard performs all such tasks even better than previous versions did—and Leopard is the only OS on the planet that works effortlessly and intuitively in today's world of networked computers and peripherals. Leopard is far from perfect, but it's better than any alternative, and it's getting harder and harder to find good reasons to use anything else.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Lord_Phan

You're an idiot, Gaming on PC is far better than your Console. The PS3 was technologically outdated before it was released. As are all consoles. You've obviously never seen a gaming pc before.

Now now, no need for name calling

It'd be -far- too easier to counter this ad by saying that the -real- grown up stuff is on PC only (Database, Commercial Sales software, Accountant Sf, etc.).
Macs do have "some", but with far far less options.
It is also to be noted that the "real" grown up stuff even for sound or video editing moved to PC (or originated there) a long time aggo.
e.g. Avid, ProTools, Maya/Lightwave/3D Max (Maya and LW only now on Macs, some of the few 3D Gfx solutions that were sorely needed), CAD software, Softimage XSI, etc.

In fact, the -only- software that can justify buying a Mac (and that is a shame imho) are -2-. Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro. And even then, you have godo replacement solutions (Avix Xpress and for the more professional out there Scenarist).

I've used all the arguments in the past as reasons not to get a Mac. Those arguments no longer have any merit. They are just talking points from another decade.

Man, I use OS X -every- day, and it still baffles me when people find it better than XP, let alone Vista frankly. To each their own, the style is definitely different.
But better? nope.

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by Spankey

Mac users are not confronted with a lesser choice in software. Like PC users there is a DIFFERENT choice of software. What do PC users do when there is Mac software that is not available to them? Nothing. If there is ONE application a person must have that is only available to Windows users they have an option.

A Mac still offers those who want to use the computer for more than JUST games, longevity, security, a better OS and far more enjoyable computing experience.

I've used all the arguments in the past as reasons not to get a Mac. Those arguments no longer have any merit. They are just talking points from another decade.

Options?
Windows doesn't need options to run a Windows program that is not available for a Mac - it's Windows!

Games? Sure! No problem!
Longevity? No problem!
Security? Also a non-issue. Run as a limited user and kill off a couple things. No problem!
Better OS? Says who? 98%(more?) of all software is created for - Windows!
Windows can do anything one needs to do. There is no need to emulate a Mac OS to do something - cannot say the same for Mac, can we?

Mac arguments are still weak.
What is it, at this very moment, that Mac users(some at least) are wanting that this Windows machine has been able to do for nearly 2 years?

Oh yeah! Blu-ray!



Now, don't get me wrong here!
Macs are great machines!
They do work quite well!

But, they are not better than Windows machines!
Sure, when you try to compare a $4000 MBP against a $399 Dell, I certainly hope the MBP will blow it away!
Match the biggest, baddest MBP up against... the AR790.
MBP will lose!

Match that same MBP up against a Eurocom F-Bomb or a Phantom. No contest!
Not even in the same ballpark!

*IF* you have a Mac, that's great! I'm happy for you - any of you!

Please get off the Mac KoolAid because Macs are not better than PCs. Period!

BTW... http://lifehacker.com/348653/install...cking-required

OS X can be done - but why?

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by Spankey

Mac users are not confronted with a lesser choice in software. Like PC users there is a DIFFERENT choice of software.

What do you mean? There's same amount of software for mac as for pcs or that Mac users simply don't care about lesser choice? former is simply not true, later well, when you have no choice what can you do, just say U don't care.

Originally Posted by Spankey

What do PC users do when there is Mac software that is not available to them? Nothing. If there is ONE application a person must have that is only available to Windows users they have an option.

Yeah, although functionality wise I haven't heard of something that is available for macs and not on windows. And the situation you described will happen for mac users often.

Originally Posted by Spankey

A Mac still offers those who want to use the computer for more than JUST games, longevity, security, a better OS and far more enjoyable computing experience.

So, PC is just a gaming platform huh? Even those mac commercials portray PC as more of a workstation and Mac for fun things such as sharing photos and so on.
Anyway, 95% of corporate world wouldn't be on PCs if it was a gaming console you know.
And user experience is quite personal. I do like Mac designs better, they look slick no argument on that, but as for functionality and price, PC is a clear winner. And as an example of user interface I can refer to Apple itunes application which I absolutely hate. Horrible interface, not very intuitive and really inconvenient.

Originally Posted by Spankey

I've used all the arguments in the past as reasons not to get a Mac. Those arguments no longer have any merit. They are just talking points from another decade.

Why not? Just some of your arguments are invalid. Saying PC is only good for gaming or macs have longer lasting value even if they use same CPUs as PCs isn't exactly fair.

[I DO BLU]

Then why does WSJ say mac's run vista faster then PC's? Mac are better i

have had many pc's from almost all companies and now have switched to mac

and will never go back. You want something that works and not have to

worry about being capatable with the os mac is it. It also is funny how ms is

being sued left and right latley one for vista because some pc's that said

they were compatable were not.

[Squozen]

My girlfriend and I switched to Macs a few years ago and won't be switching back. I work in the IT department at work and the Mac folk send me a lot less support emails than the PC ones.

Vista is horrific. If you do get a PC, make sure you can run XP on it.

[Sean4000]

This video should make a few people laugh.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jkrn6ecxthM

[krazeyeyez]

i am not a techy or a computer geek, and i wouldn't know where to begin as far as building a machine goes, but i have had my macbook for a while now and all i can say is smooth sailing. im not gonna list out my many reasons for my choice but i can say without a doubt i will never by a pc again. i love this mac and i honestly feel like this is what a computer "should be".

[Spankey]

What do you mean? There's same amount of software for mac as for pcs or that Mac users simply don't care about lesser choice? former is simply not true, later well, when you have no choice what can you do, just say U don't care.

I mean, I can find the software I need to do everything I need to do on a Mac that I had for PC. In the past that was not true.

Yeah, although functionality wise I haven't heard of something that is available for macs and not on windows. And the situation you described will happen for mac users often.

So far it has not happened at all. I hung onto Windows on the Mac thinking i would actually need it. The only reason Windows is still available on my Mac is for work. I could cut myself free from Windows software tomorrow and wouldn't miss a thing.

So, PC is just a gaming platform huh? Even those mac commercials portray PC as more of a workstation and Mac for fun things such as sharing photos and so on.
Anyway, 95% of corporate world wouldn't be on PCs if it was a gaming console you know.
And user experience is quite personal. I do like Mac designs better, they look slick no argument on that, but as for functionality and price, PC is a clear winner.

Never said a PC is just a gaming platform. I did say that it is the only argument that MAY still hold some validity since hard core gamers are looking to configure a device with the specific hardware of their choice. If you want strictly a gaming device than I would go for a PC.

There are a number of reasons the corporate world is on PC. Cost is definitely one of them. There is competition among hardware manufacturers and businesses need to determine the cost vs the need. Microsoft was better at getting Windows into the corporate environment as well at a time when Apple wasn't up to snuff. I said in the past that I think the main difference between the Mac and PC is that PC "users" mainly tend to ask of their computers to tell them something. Input XY data, get Z. A Mac translates the ideas of the user in ways that PC's tend not to do.

Saying PC is only good for gaming or macs have longer lasting value even if they use same CPUs as PCs isn't exactly fair.

Again, I never said PC is only good for gaming. I said it MAY be the only argument as to one may favor a PC over a Mac and that argument is not as strong as it once was. Macs hold their resale value. It may not be fair but it is a fact.

I will point you to this Chris Pirillo Video again, not because I believe what Chris Pirillo says, but it echoes my feelings, and experiences from switching to a Mac. There is a reason why people who switch to Macs are hesitant about going back to a PC.

[actionhank]

Neither, get a laptop with nothing on it, and download Ubuntu. You'll get better security than a Mac and all the cool open source programs too.

[Beefbowl]

FROM PC MAGAZINE


Quote:
Leopard again raises the question of whether to switch from Windows to a Mac. I've found Vista to be a major disappointment that tends to look worse the more I use it. I still use Windows XP for getting serious work done in long, complicated documents. But OS X is easier to manage and maintain and I vastly prefer OS X to Windows for Web-browsing, mail, and especially for any task that involves graphics, music, or video. Leopard performs all such tasks even better than previous versions did—and Leopard is the only OS on the planet that works effortlessly and intuitively in today's world of networked computers and peripherals. Leopard is far from perfect, but it's better than any alternative, and it's getting harder and harder to find good reasons to use anything else.

I think this is the best reason why I'm leaning towards a mac.

[warhawk21114]

that is what added to me going over to mac well helped it.... (I do video and macs are the best at that so that was the major point) but I have found them to be a heck of a lot easier to maintain then any PC I have touched, and i can do basic work on them easily enough. For multi-media, and basic computer usage, the Mac offers you the most simplistic package with Also just get 2 GB of RAM on the Mac and you should be good. While it may cost more, I have found it gets a better preformance. Remember you get what you pay for (ex. this last format war)

[actionhank]

Originally Posted by Beefbowl

Thanks for everybody's post. I don't plan on using my computer for gaming, the last game I played on the PC was the orginal Diablo. I have game consoles for all my gaming.

My two main reasons for wanting to switch was viruses (had a roommate that was surfing certain sites) and compatability. It seemed like all the Mac software work together well where the PC does not. (let me know if this is true or false). Also, Do Mac get those annoying pop-up s from websites?

Whoa... if you're asking about blocking pop-ups then maybe you should probably just get a Mac, forget about my post about running Ubuntu.

[Downhere]

Personally, after using Macs I honestly can't stand them. When I had to work with them I always seemed to have issues with them and considering I have had less issues with PC's, I prefer a PC.

[J_UNTITLED]

This should have been a poll.

[Elandyll]

Dunno why but I suspect Blu-Ray.com has a -lot- of pro Mac/Linux and a lot of anti - MS/ Windows.

Could just be me though

Bottom line is, You can find every app you might need on Windows, and despite a situation that is much better than in the past, the same cannot be said about the Mac platofrm, unless you install Windows on it (which I find telling enough).
More bottom line, a Mac, aside from its OS, is a pricey/stylish PC.
If you think you'll find yourself playing with the OS for hours, then yeah, maybe a Mac is worth it.
If the OS is only a mean to and end (as it should be), aka running Apps, the thing is ... a Mac is "useless". Mac fans, don't get up in arms. What I mean by that is, you should judge a platform by its Apps, not just how shiney the OS is.
Vista is now criticized for its added Security (that is easily turned down to various level btw, if that is your wish. I find interesting that a so called Sys Op would not know that most of the user support that has now to be proposed for Vista relates to user (lack of) training on new functionalities and additionnal security.
You -should- have an antivirus/ trojan blocker, and a pop up blocker, wether you work on Mac or PC.
If there were -no- viruses on Mac, there wouldn't be any antivirus need right?
http://www.mcafee.com/us/enterprise/...ops/virex.html
http://www.avast.com/eng/system-requ...c-edition.html
among others

If you want structural simplicity to the point of Nintendo-esque lack of transparence, but also good graphic/ design / AV apps, by all means go Mac.
Mac is also a "statement machine" actually. For people who want to "stick it to the man" (while giving their money to another ), and be "stylish" and "cool".
For people who want custom options, upgrades available by thousands, more "customer friendly prices" but also at times more "obscure functions" and be more "geeky", PC is the way. Oh and for Gaming too. Consoles only go so far in the Shooter, Strategy and Role Playing domains.

Things that have become irrelevant / myths, either way:
- Solidity: False, Macs crash just as much if not more.
- Macs are anti-customer: Mostly False, It's not as bad as it used to be under OS 8.x and before. The hardware is mostly PC-like these days. Some pro-windows blindly mock the Macs with the "one button" statement. It's been ages that you can use any two+ button mouse on USB. The new mouses even have touch sensitive clicks that differentiate according to where you press on the mouse, despite no apparent "two button".
- Only Macs can do graphics and AV: False, All the major apps save two (FCP and DVDSP, made by Apple) are on PC and work very well.
- Macs have no viruses / trojan / are more secure: False, You gotta take care of your security on both. PCs are more likely to have problems due to their number (90%+ marketshare), and the irrational hatred some seem to have for MS (you'll notice how it relates to the irrational hatred some sem to have for Sony in the HD DVD camp), but Macs are certainly not immune.
Get an anti virus (I recommend Avast - free for home ed.) and a pop-up blocker (like googlebar).
- You can't find anything else but Gfx Apps on Mac: False. Still -far- behind the PC in number of Apps, but all the major types are covered.

This being said, a Computer is not a religion. If your computer gives you satisfaction, great
I'm happy with PCs at work (normal biz) and home (Gfx / Internet / Games), and my Macs (G5 and Imac) at work for AV biz.
There are some days though when I miss my bigger venue that was with Avid Composer and PC based

[Sean4000]

Originally Posted by actionhank

Neither, get a laptop with nothing on it, and download Ubuntu. You'll get better security than a Mac and all the cool open source programs too.

I agree.



But use caution is deciding to go the Linux route.