DVD-Audio and SACD - Blu-ray Forum

CptGreedle · 03-14-2008, 02:25 PM

I thought the MiniDisc was awesome technology. I had 2 minidisc players (although one broke), my sister bought one, and my bro too.
Too bad it never caught on in USA, too many competing formats and then MP3.

I have a question about SACDs though too...
I just started to get into them, and DVD-a too, but am wondering, since MP3 is the real "winner" of the music formats, how are these other formats doing with releases? Do they get many new releases? Do they have a "bright" future? Will I see more things I want on them?
I must say, I am really into things like Prog rock and Classic Rock and the like, but have had a hard time finding many titles on SACD so far. Dark Side of the Moon is awesome, but I want more like that! Any suggestions?

JimPullan · 03-14-2008, 02:51 PM

Have you tried http://www.acousticsounds.com They have a large collection of SA-CD and DVD-Audio. [Jim]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

I thought the MiniDisc was awesome technology. I had 2 minidisc players (although one broke), my sister bought one, and my bro too.
Too bad it never caught on in USA, too many competing formats and then MP3.

I have a question about SACDs though too...
I just started to get into them, and DVD-a too, but am wondering, since MP3 is the real "winner" of the music formats, how are these other formats doing with releases? Do they get many new releases? Do they have a "bright" future? Will I see more things I want on them?
I must say, I am really into things like Prog rock and Classic Rock and the like, but have had a hard time finding many titles on SACD so far. Dark Side of the Moon is awesome, but I want more like that! Any suggestions?

CptGreedle · 03-14-2008, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimPullan

Have you tried http://www.acousticsounds.com They have a large collection of SA-CD and DVD-Audio. [Jim]

I'll check it out, thanks.

jomari · 03-14-2008, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

I have a question about SACDs though too...
I just started to get into them, and DVD-a too, but am wondering, since MP3 is the real "winner" of the music formats, how are these other formats doing with releases? Do they get many new releases? Do they have a "bright" future? Will I see more things I want on them?
I must say, I am really into things like Prog rock and Classic Rock and the like, but have had a hard time finding many titles on SACD so far. Dark Side of the Moon is awesome, but I want more like that! Any suggestions?

I dont necessarily think that the MP3 is the 'winner' in this case, due to the amount of detail lost in conversion. sure there are others who can blast it way up, but still lose some detail.

oh, if ever you get a copy of the DSOTM in original quadraphonic, straight from the archives (like it was meant to be), THEN you'd be amazed.

it was re-released twice if im not mistaken.

DavePS3 · 03-14-2008, 05:18 PM

To me, MP3 audio is little better than cassette.

CptGreedle · 03-14-2008, 05:41 PM

By saying MP3 was the "winner", I merely meant that despite the quality differences, MP3s are more popular and sell better than the other formats. The convenience of MP3 won out over the quality of SACD and DVDa.
I thought the iPod could play Apple Lossless Audio... am I wrong?
Since I am not a real "audiophile" (but have begun to notice the differences more and more lately) I am not familiar with all that there is in the High Def audio world. I am not willing to spend a lot of money on it, and with my current set up I am more than happy with it. A friend of mine is a serious audiophile who has a pair of $26k speakers hooked up for a $18k CD player, state-of-the-art turn table, and top-of-the-line SACD player. THAT system is beyond anything i will ever have and will more than just amaze me. I am trying to get him to do the whole thing in surround sound for the multi-channel SACDs and Blu-rays too.
I think he would greatly appreciate the quality and the surround sound. He has tons of speakers of all different sizes and shapes, too bad he is not willing to give me a few that he doesn't use much

heh heh

But seriously, I just want something that has higher audio quality than a standard CD but more importantly, surround sound. I just got a Porcupine Tree album on DTS DVD-a. Very impressive but not as much as DSotM is. Still, good enough for me. Is there a future for surround sound music?

frenchglen · 03-14-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Is there a future for surround sound music?

Yes, I definitely think so. There will always be, at the very least it will be a niche market for the enthusiasts. And uite frankly I don't care wat format it's on, but I really do hope Blu-ray will become a format for music (don't get me wrong, I do appreciate physical disc music formats VERY much).

I think you'll find for rock genres DVD-A is not too bad. There's quite a lot of releases, and for the new listener getting into it, the albums released to date can keep you wow'ed and occupied for quite a while (depending on your buy rate and wallet size of course!) But then, yes, one day the stuff you can find thins out, and you start to wonder when any new releases will come out.

At the moment there's only a trickle of DVD-A releases I know about so far in 2008, but one guy in the industry I know has at least 10 releases in the slate. Ringo Starr just released one, Procupine Tree's new album Lightbulb Sun is now for pre-order, No-man have an album coming out in May. There are also rumors about the entire King Crimson catalog being put out on DVD-A!

Jazz and Classical are more in the SACD realm.

Teazle · 03-14-2008, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

I thought the MiniDisc was awesome technology. I had 2 minidisc players (although one broke), my sister bought one, and my bro too.
Too bad it never caught on in USA, too many competing formats and then MP3.

I have a question about SACDs though too...
I just started to get into them, and DVD-a too, but am wondering, since MP3 is the real "winner" of the music formats, how are these other formats doing with releases? Do they get many new releases? Do they have a "bright" future? Will I see more things I want on them?
I must say, I am really into things like Prog rock and Classic Rock and the like, but have had a hard time finding many titles on SACD so far. Dark Side of the Moon is awesome, but I want more like that! Any suggestions?

I had the last-gen Minidisc, a Sony player which stored 1GB per disc. Used it til the PSP came along since I found that the latter sounded slightly better. (Did an A/B test using the same mp3.) Then Sony boosted the FW so the PSP could play uncompressed WAV audio. Goodbye mp3s! Ripped my whole CD collection to WAV and haven't looked back.

Apparently there's this new "FLAC" lossless compression codec which might eventually challenge mp3s. I can see it happening if the next round of iPods support lossless compression.

DVD-A seems to have kicked the bucket (no new releases I'm aware of). SACD is struggling on for classical music with a few (perhaps a couple dozen??) releases each year. The pop/rock SACD releases like the Genesis, Moody Blues, Kinks etc are _very_ infrequent. For my part I don't care, I'm snapping up as many of these as I can find. (Now up to 105 SACDs/DVD-As at last count.)

LMonaco · 03-14-2008, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

I thought the MiniDisc was awesome technology. I had 2 minidisc players (although one broke), my sister bought one, and my bro too.
Too bad it never caught on in USA, too many competing formats and then MP3.

I have a question about SACDs though too...
I just started to get into them, and DVD-a too, but am wondering, since MP3 is the real "winner" of the music formats, how are these other formats doing with releases? Do they get many new releases? Do they have a "bright" future? Will I see more things I want on them?
I must say, I am really into things like Prog rock and Classic Rock and the like, but have had a hard time finding many titles on SACD so far. Dark Side of the Moon is awesome, but I want more like that! Any suggestions?

I'm into the hi rez music as I have over 200 discs in BOTH formats. It looks like all that is left coming out are a trickle european produced discs in both formats. The good news is I think it's switching over to blu-ray (re Neil Young etc) so hi rez music isn't dead yet.

Two suggestions:
Roxy Music - Avalon (sacd) is incredible.
Pocupine Tree (many albums on dvd-a) are also very good.

Check this site out as it has many user ratings plus info on just about everything hi rez:

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/

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03-14-2008, 02:25 PM	#1
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	I thought the MiniDisc was awesome technology. I had 2 minidisc players (although one broke), my sister bought one, and my bro too. Too bad it never caught on in USA, too many competing formats and then MP3. I have a question about SACDs though too... I just started to get into them, and DVD-a too, but am wondering, since MP3 is the real "winner" of the music formats, how are these other formats doing with releases? Do they get many new releases? Do they have a "bright" future? Will I see more things I want on them? I must say, I am really into things like Prog rock and Classic Rock and the like, but have had a hard time finding many titles on SACD so far. Dark Side of the Moon is awesome, but I want more like that! Any suggestions?

03-14-2008, 05:18 PM	#5
DavePS3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Toronto Home Theater Gallery:56 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	To me, MP3 audio is little better than cassette.

03-14-2008, 05:41 PM	#6
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	By saying MP3 was the "winner", I merely meant that despite the quality differences, MP3s are more popular and sell better than the other formats. The convenience of MP3 won out over the quality of SACD and DVDa. I thought the iPod could play Apple Lossless Audio... am I wrong? Since I am not a real "audiophile" (but have begun to notice the differences more and more lately) I am not familiar with all that there is in the High Def audio world. I am not willing to spend a lot of money on it, and with my current set up I am more than happy with it. A friend of mine is a serious audiophile who has a pair of $26k speakers hooked up for a $18k CD player, state-of-the-art turn table, and top-of-the-line SACD player. THAT system is beyond anything i will ever have and will more than just amaze me. I am trying to get him to do the whole thing in surround sound for the multi-channel SACDs and Blu-rays too. I think he would greatly appreciate the quality and the surround sound. He has tons of speakers of all different sizes and shapes, too bad he is not willing to give me a few that he doesn't use much heh heh But seriously, I just want something that has higher audio quality than a standard CD but more importantly, surround sound. I just got a Porcupine Tree album on DTS DVD-a. Very impressive but not as much as DSotM is. Still, good enough for me. Is there a future for surround sound music?

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