Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by vidjunkie

The only thing I can think of is this guy had to have gotten a different TT release then the rest of us

Nope same one just a different opinion.

Can you say where you got your theatrical release from?

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Sorry mate but it looks nothing like those pics, that i am afraid has been doctored to look worse than it is IMHO......Also remembering that DVD and Blu Ray have a different colour space so have allowances been made for that when taking the pics as well as a whole host of other factors which have to be explained before making direct comparisons such as some of those shown here

In most cases trying to judge colour etc from some pics if i may borrow a quote " is like trying to judge what a high end audio system sounds like down a telephone ".

It absolutely does look like those pics. However, when you're doing a side by side comparison like that, the changes look exacerbated because you actually have different context to compare it to. When placed next to something really bright, the other image looks a lot darker in comparison.

And, even if you don't like those comparisons... again, the direct comparisons are startling different, regardless if you like them or not.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...6241/picture:2

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

It absolutely does look like those pics. However, when you're doing a side by side comparison like that, the changes look exacerbated because you actually have different context to compare it to. When placed next to something really bright, the other image looks a lot darker in comparison.

And, even if you don't like those comparisons... again, the direct comparisons are startling different, regardless if you like them or not.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...6241/picture:2

Just been able to do a direct screen comparison with those shots in particular the deer/elk head on my tv pretty close to what i have but to much blue in the screen grab on my PC as the fur is quite natural looking on my tv, probably down to my monitor being ucalibrated and pushing the blue or the grab being incorrect. I do like the darker colour timing though.

[Atari Charles]

I do think the hack who smurfed up this TT release probably attempted to make the daytime scenes look like night to hopefully give the film a scarier feeling to it. That being said, I can't stand when they re-tweak films years later. I want to watch the film as it was intended to be shown back in came out. I don't mind extended cuts, but I hate when they change the movie itself or as some call it Lucasize the film.

And if you are going to Lucasize a film, then at least have the decency to release both versions.(I am hoping now that Disney owns the Star Wars francise, they will restore and release the episodes 4, 5, and 6 as they were released in the theatre back in the day)

From what I have read in posts that Tom Savini actually likes this release is unfortunate. If someone here is willing to post what Savini wrote about the Twilight release, that would be great.?

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by tele1962

I never said there was no change, just not as much as a change that people are making out and i can promise you that if a tv or PJ is not correctly set up can make the colour seem all wrong
Where did you say you got your theatrical release from again?

Another variable to consider, even if a projector or rear projection tv has been calibrated, is whether or not it can accurately reproduce colors.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1458068/ho...re-your-colors

Originally Posted by tele1962

Sorry mate but it looks nothing like those pics, that i am afraid has been doctored to look worse than it is IMHO......Also remembering that DVD and Blu Ray have a different colour space so have allowances been made for that when taking the pics as well as a whole host of other factors which have to be explained before making direct comparisons such as some of those shown here

In most cases trying to judge colour etc from some pics if i may borrow a quote " is like trying to judge what a high end audio system sounds like down a telephone ".

I can promise you that these screencaps haven't been doctored. But it shows that there is a difference between the two sets of images regardless if a display can accurately reproduce the color.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...95#post6541195

[psicon]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Just been able to do a direct screen comparison with those shots in particular the deer/elk head on my tv pretty close to what i have but to much blue in the screen grab on my PC as the fur is quite natural looking on my tv, probably down to my monitor being ucalibrated and pushing the blue or the grab being incorrect. I do like the darker colour timing though.

A vast majority of the screenshots posted look exactly the same as the blu-ray when viewed on the same equipment.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Another variable to consider, even if a projector or rear projection tv has been calibrated, is whether or not it can accurately reproduce colors.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1458068/ho...re-your-colors



I can promise you that these screencaps haven't been doctored. But it shows that there is a difference between the two sets of images regardless if a display can accurately reproduce the color.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...95#post6541195

I don't think anyone is saying there is no difference there clearly is ( i was going off memory remember ) but people who are insisting it is to blue well that is another matter, and i prefer the darker look but it certainly isn't to blue.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by tele1962

I don't think anyone is saying there is no difference there clearly is ( i was going off memory remember ) but people who are insisting it is to blue well that is another matter, and i prefer the darker look but it certainly isn't to blue.

it most certainly IS blue. watching it on a calibrated panny plasma, a calibrated LCD BOTH show a VERY strong blue push.

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by Atari Charles

I do think the hack who smurfed up this TT release probably attempted to make the daytime scenes look like night to hopefully give the film a scarier feeling to it. That being said, I can't stand when they re-tweak films years later. I want to watch the film as it was intended to be shown back in came out. I don't mind extended cuts, but I hate when they change the movie itself or as some call it Lucasize the film.

And if you are going to Lucasize a film, then at least have the decency to release both versions.(I am hoping now that Disney owns the Star Wars francise, they will restore and release the episodes 4, 5, and 6 as they were released in the theatre back in the day)

From what I have read in posts that Tom Savini actually likes this release is unfortunate. If someone here is willing to post what Savini wrote about the Twilight release, that would be great.?

It's mentioned here. Also note that the DP literally said on facebook that while he told them to darken it, he wasn't there and never got to see what they did until the disc was released, and he didn't approve. Savini did like it, not sure why. Read the whole page and see what the make-up effects supervisor said back when the film was made, and try to make that fit in with the new color-scheme.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by wormraper

it most certainly IS blue. watching it on a calibrated panny plasma, a calibrated LCD BOTH show a VERY strong blue push.

It has blue in it but not very strong, when did you get your tv calibrated?

[vidjunkie]

This guy is clearly now trying to provoke responses, I could be wrong but page after page of this already, and he is the sole responder now and it is still going, I think tele is the Energiser Bunny.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by tele1962

I don't think anyone is saying there is no difference there clearly is ( i was going off memory remember ) but people who are insisting it is to blue well that is another matter, and i prefer the darker look but it certainly isn't to blue.

It definitely has a more bluish gray push to it rather than say a green or red push. But undoubtedly the change makes scenes much more dark than before. It's even seen in the interior house shots where interior lights are turned on; those shots definitely look unnatural. The B&W television even looks bluish gray now. They definitely took a broad brush when making the changes.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by vidjunkie

This guy is clearly now trying to provoke responses, I could be wrong but page after page of this already, and he is the sole responder now and it is still going, I think tele is the Energiser Bunny.

Sorry mate you have made your opinion quite clear as i am doing. I am not trying to provoke anything just giving an opinion nothing more nothing less. I like the TT Blu Ray some don't i asked some questions which might improve the viewing of it that is all.
Again i will ask if you do not mind how did you come by the theatrical release of this movie?

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

It definitely has a more bluish gray push to it rather than say a green or red push. But undoubtedly the change makes scenes much more dark than before. It's even seen in the interior house shots where interior lights are turned on; those shots definitely look unnatural. The B&W television even looks bluish gray now. They definitely took a broad brush when making the changes.

Bluish grey, is what it is. Now on many of the screen grabs at the begining of the film leaves on trees look a bluish mess whil on my tv they are clearly green (although darker).

[vidjunkie]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Sorry mate you have made your opinion quite clear as i am doing. I am not trying to provoke anything just giving an opinion nothing more nothing less. I like the TT Blu Ray some don't i asked some questions which might improve the viewing of it that is all.
Again i will ask if you do not mind how did you come by the theatrical release of this movie?

lol why does it matter? if you are fully happy with what you have then do not worry about it, I got it, we cleaned it up and fixed it, and that is that, it is a full 1080p of the Theatrical version.

[Atari Charles]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyhorse

It's mentioned here. Also note that the DP literally said on facebook that while he told them to darken it, he wasn't there and never got to see what they did until the disc was released, and he didn't approve. Savini did like it, not sure why. Read the whole page and see what the make-up effects supervisor said back when the film was made, and try to make that fit in with the new color-scheme.

So Frank Prinzi Director of Photography for the film decided to be an artiste' and darken the high def transfer of Night of the Living Dead 1990.

So who is the artiste' who cropped the high def transfer of Night of the Living Dead 1968?

Maybe we can get both of these artistese' to work on the high definition transfer of Night of the Living Dead 30th Anniversary.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by vidjunkie

lol why does it matter? if you are fully happy with what you have then do not worry about it, I got it, we cleaned it up and fixed it, and that is that, it is a full 1080p of the Theatrical version.

Ah right, just that memory of the colour on a 1990 theatrical release is nigh on impossible. Sometimes even between theatrical and DVD it can go through many changes.
It doesn't really matter no, but what it does is give us some idea of how you achieved what you did and without any knowledge of where the source material came from for the comparisons we are left guessing.

Just had another look at your comparison, forgive me i might be totally wrong and i probably am, but that looks like an upscaled SD/DVD release that has had some filtering done?

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by Atari Charles

So Frank Prinzi Director of Photography for the film decided to be an artiste' and darken the high def transfer of Night of the Living Dead 1990.

As much as I liked the bright sunlight, budget and time forced Savini and Frank into using it on the original prints. They wanted a gloomier looking day and tried to make that happen for the 20th Anniversary, but we now see what happened with that when the DP literally phoned in instructions and never got a chance to see them. Savini wasn't involved in the 20th from all I can recall, but wanted it darker too. The problem is the harsh sunlight bouncing off heads and other stuff makes day for night look bad and someone over-did it. They tried to fix an issue that really couldn't be fixed due to original elements. Some of us recall how the theater looked, and it was far closer to the dvd than the BD. Myabe not exactly like the dvd, but far closer.

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Just had another look at your comparison, forgive me i might be totally wrong and i probably am, but that looks like an upscaled SD/DVD release that has had some filtering done?

Look closer and the framing is different from the dvd to BD, those clearly have the BD framing. It's the BD with filtering, done far better than the professionals who worked on it I will add.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyhorse

As much as I liked the bright sunlight, budget and time forced Savini and Frank into using it on the original prints. They wanted a gloomier looking day and tried to make that happen for the 20th Anniversary, but we now see what happened with that when the DP literally phoned in instructions and never got a chance to see them. Savini wasn't involved in the 20th from all I can recall, but wanted it darker too. The problem is the harsh sunlight bouncing off heads and other stuff makes day for night look bad and someone over-did it. They tried to fix an issue that really couldn't be fixed due to original elements. Some of us recall how the theater looked, and it was far closer to the dvd than the BD. Myabe not exactly like the dvd, but far closer.

Exactly, AC is moaning that he wants them "as originally intended" - well when they got a bright day instead of overcast they suddenly did not intend for it to be sunny.

They were actually going for a look they... wait for it... originally intended.

So in fact, the blu version of the film is closer to what they originally wanted (or intended) and that is why Savini loves it.

And at the end of the day, the director can release it with or without revisions. It is his.