The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - Extended Edition 2D 3D Statues 11/5/13

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

How do you know it's not true? You know this for a fact? You'd have to be terribly naive to think that the date isn't largely dictated by proximity to the next film. I'm sure they could shave at least 2/3 months off that time if they really wanted to.

I think there needs to be some middle ground between those who think they can easily release the EE today and those who argue that its release at the end of the year is purely because they need 11 months to work on it. Neither seem completely plausible to me.

Because the extended edition just isn't finished yet! It takes months to get the discs ready and pressed. It's not a magic button that puts it together. There's a ton of back and forth that goes on in departments.

Howard Shore has to rescore sections and they bring in the orchestra.
New CGI has to be produced.
Oftentimes even more material is shot in pickups.
Let alone the picture editing, sound editing, color grading.

Even if Peter Jackson says that the first EE of The Hobbit is edited, he's meaning the unfinished cut. The timing is set. All the other work still has to be done, while they are working on films two and three.

They don't just pass the work on to another group of people. Oftentimes, it is the same people who do the visual effects for the theatrical version. It's a ton of work to add an extra 50 minutes of material.

That's not even taking into account the bonus material, which will probably be similar to the 4-hour documentaries that were on LOTR.

And, yes, there is marketing involved. Why would you release two versions at the same time? The sales would work against each other. Yes, November is a great date for holiday sales and to drum up increased interest in the next film, but the EE would be released at the same time anyway, despite the next film.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by quikblend

went to the store to pick up movies today and saw the hobbit..

i couldn't do it. i couldn't live with myself knowing a 3D Extended Edition is coming out and buying this one now.

There is no confirmation of a 3D Extended Edition anywhere actually and it would be the first of its kind if it happened.

The only thing I have read, was that an extended edition is going to be released. The only information I have found to even say anything regarding 3D is this post:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...ts/020513_1300

Which I believe to be inaccurate as I have not seen anything official to confirm the Extended 3D. I think the post was making assumptions, like everyone else.

Based on past history (Green Lantern, Harold and Kumar, Avatar, etc ...) my strong guess is that it won't have a 3D version. And if it did, it won't be extended.

Which is why I made the decision to purchase the 3D version today. Plus, I get to watch more middle earth goodness sooner as a worst case scenerio.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

IF there is a 3D Extended Cut, why does everyone assume it will be sold with the 2D?

Does anyone think that they might relase the Extended Cut as 2 seperate Editions?
If they do it this way:

Set 1 - 3D only Extended
Set 2 - 2D only Extended

What are the chances of them leaving stuff out (Special Features) from different versions?

This is also highly possible, as they have done this before, many times.

This made me extra happy I purchased it today. Thanks for that, very nice point.

[SkillzthatKillz]

Originally Posted by HomerThompson

Bought the 2D theatrical cut today, will own the 3D cut when the EE is released. Sounds like the logical way for me.

As for the time it takes to put these EE out, remember that on top of finishing the EE cut all those extras need to be produced. Most of the interviews are filmed AFTER the film is released.

Same here. I don't even own a 3D set yet but I normally try to get 3D versions of movies (as long as the 3D is good) so I can future proof my collection.

[SkillzthatKillz]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

There is no confirmation of a 3D Extended Edition anywhere actually and it would be the first of its kind if it happened.

The only thing I have read, was that an extended edition is going to be released. The only information I have found to even say anything regarding 3D is this post:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...ts/020513_1300

Which I believe to be inaccurate as I have not seen anything official to confirm the Extended 3D. I think the post was making assumptions, like everyone else.

Based on past history (Green Lantern, Harold and Kumar, Avatar, etc ...) my strong guess is that it won't have a 3D version. And if it did, it won't be extended.

Which is why I made the decision to purchase the 3D version today. Plus, I get to watch more middle earth goodness sooner as a worst case scenerio.

To be fair, Green Lantern bombed at the BO so they weren't going to spend the extra money converting footage to 3D, Harold and Kumar was low budget to begin with, and the Avatar EE went on sale when Panasonic still had exclusive rights to the 3D blu-rays. With The Hobbit having been shot in 3D, and PJ normally getting what he wants from studios, I believe there will be a 3D EE this fall/winter

[Member-231231]

Originally Posted by SkillzthatKillz

To be fair, Green Lantern bombed at the BO so they weren't going to spend the extra money converting footage to 3D, Harold and Kumar was low budget to begin with, and the Avatar EE went on sale when Panasonic still had exclusive rights to the 3D blu-rays. With The Hobbit having been shot in 3D, and PJ normally getting what he wants from studios, I believe there will be a 3D EE this fall/winter

i agree with this. i am aware the hobbit is such a big film i couldnt see a 3D EE not exist!

it would be the first of its kind but jackson usually takes care of his fans. although avatar was shot in almost all 3D just like the hobbit, they still havent made a 3D extended.

panasonic did hold the rights to 3D version for 2-3 years before it even came out for retail. this also has an effect on the market influence.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by SkillzthatKillz

To be fair, Green Lantern bombed at the BO so they weren't going to spend the extra money converting footage to 3D, Harold and Kumar was low budget to begin with, and the Avatar EE went on sale when Panasonic still had exclusive rights to the 3D blu-rays. With The Hobbit having been shot in 3D, and PJ normally getting what he wants from studios, I believe there will be a 3D EE this fall/winter

Possible ... but I still think its much more probable that they won't do it as it leans on the side of a huge production cost, which the studios will not be interested in doing. Regardless of what PJ wants. You are taking about authoring a whole other disc, in 3D which ain't cheap. Plus, they know only fans of the movie will buy the extended edition, and will buy it regardless of a 3D edition or not.

But I am not going to argue. I personally don't see it happening, and DO NOT want to pay $40 for the 3D edition later. So I choose to purchase and enjoy it now. If the Extended comes out, I will get that too. All good.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by HomerThompson

Wow. August. How times have changed. Imagine waiting until August today for a film released in December?

It especially sucked because summer vacation ended in August for me so it come out right as I was going back to school. Killed the excitement a lot.

[Rambaldi47]

I thought that the Extended Editions were sort of announced before they expanded The Hobbit into a trilogy. Now that there's a whole extra movie, would there even be that much material left?

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Rambaldi47

I thought that the Extended Editions were sort of announced before they expanded The Hobbit into a trilogy. Now that there's a whole extra movie, would there even be that much material left?

Jacksn said in an interview after AUJ was released that there was around 25 minutes being put back into AUJ so yeah there is still footage left on the cutting room floor. Itd Jackson the man shoots more footage than any other director I know of.

[ChoppedUp]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

Because the extended edition just isn't finished yet! It takes months to get the discs ready and pressed. It's not a magic button that puts it together. There's a ton of back and forth that goes on in departments.

Sounds like they need one of these.

[Show spoiler]

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

How do you know it's not true? You know this for a fact? You'd have to be terribly naive to think that the date isn't largely dictated by proximity to the next film. I'm sure they could shave at least 2/3 months off that time if they really wanted to.

I think there needs to be some middle ground between those who think they can easily release the EE today and those who argue that its release at the end of the year is purely because they need 11 months to work on it. Neither seem completely plausible to me.

That's where I stand...I don't even know why people feel the need to defend the timing. Jackson's not evil by making money for the studio, spacing out the two releases from each other. Not a damn thing wrong with it, especially since he's already announced an Extended version is coming. People have the information, they can buy whatever they want, whenever they want. I'm personally waiting for the 3D EE, because I never ever watch the theatrical version of the LOTR films.

As for a 3D extended edition being the first of its kind...didn't Cameron release his extended cut of Avatar in 3D? Not a fan of Avatar, so I wouldn't know.

[ChoppedUp]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

As for a 3D extended edition being the first of its kind...didn't Cameron release his extended cut of Avatar in 3D? Not a fan of Avatar, so I wouldn't know.

Extended yes but not in 3D.

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

That's where I stand...I don't even know why people feel the need to defend the timing. Jackson's not evil by making money for the studio, spacing out the two releases from each other. Not a damn thing wrong with it, especially since he's already announced an Extended version is coming. People have the information, they can buy whatever they want, whenever they want. I'm personally waiting for the 3D EE, because I never ever watch the theatrical version of the LOTR films.

As for a 3D extended edition being the first of its kind...didn't Cameron release his extended cut of Avatar in 3D? Not a fan of Avatar, so I wouldn't know.

The 3D release of Avatar is the theatrical version. The extended cut was 2D only.

I'm not a fan of Avatar in the slightest myself, but for some strange reason, I know about the releases.

[BarnDoor]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

Because the extended edition just isn't finished yet! It takes months to get the discs ready and pressed. It's not a magic button that puts it together. There's a ton of back and forth that goes on in departments.

Howard Shore has to rescore sections and they bring in the orchestra.
New CGI has to be produced.
Oftentimes even more material is shot in pickups.
Let alone the picture editing, sound editing, color grading.

Even if Peter Jackson says that the first EE of The Hobbit is edited, he's meaning the unfinished cut. The timing is set. All the other work still has to be done, while they are working on films two and three.

They don't just pass the work on to another group of people. Oftentimes, it is the same people who do the visual effects for the theatrical version. It's a ton of work to add an extra 50 minutes of material.

That's not even taking into account the bonus material, which will probably be similar to the 4-hour documentaries that were on LOTR.

And, yes, there is marketing involved. Why would you release two versions at the same time? The sales would work against each other. Yes, November is a great date for holiday sales and to drum up increased interest in the next film, but the EE would be released at the same time anyway, despite the next film.

Firstly there is no more filming needed - when Jackson said it is cut, I assume he means he's already added all the footage.

Secondly I truly hope Howard Shore does do new music and they infact take the time to rescore parts of the film. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised to see tracked music used for parts if the theatrical cut is anything to go by. And the deluxe version of 'The White Council' on the soundtrack suggests that some of the extended material has already been scored.

I have already said that this project will require plenty of work and couldn't be released this March. And I agree, I don't see why a major studio would release both together when there's money to be made. I'm just saying that I don't think the Extended Edition necessarily requires 9 months of work. The fact that Jackson had it cut pretty much by Christmas suggests to me that he's quite eager to get it done and focus all his efforts on the remaining two films.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Firstly there is no more filming needed - when Jackson said it is cut, I assume he means he's already added all the footage.

Secondly I truly hope Howard Shore does do new music and they infact take the time to rescore parts of the film. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised to see tracked music used for parts if the theatrical cut is anything to go by. And the deluxe version of 'The White Council' on the soundtrack suggests that some of the extended material has already been scored.

I have already said that this project will require plenty of work and couldn't be released this March. And I agree, I don't see why a major studio would release both together when there's money to be made. I'm just saying that I don't think the Extended Edition necessarily requires 9 months of work. The fact that Jackson had it cut pretty much by Christmas suggests to me that he's quite eager to get it done and focus all his efforts on the remaining two films.

Howard Shore wrote new music for the added scenes in the LOTR EE so I would expect the same here. That being said his score was mishandled in the TE of AUJ so the EE May also have tracked music. I really hope he goes back and puts back his original cues and takes out the tracked music. Especially the witchking theme playing during thorin's showdown with Azog. I would also be ecstatic if they took out that godawful melodramatic shot of Dwalin screaming noooo in slow motion when azog attacks thorin.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Cook

Howard Shore wrote new music for the added scenes in the LOTR EE so I would expect the same here. That being said his score was mishandled in the TE of AUJ so the EE May also have tracked music. I really hope he goes back and puts back his original cues and takes out the tracked music. Especially the witchking theme playing during thorin's showdown with Azog. I would also be ecstatic if they took out that godawful melodramatic shot of Dwalin screaming noooo in slow motion when azog attacks thorin.

I thought I read that the idea of tracked music in The Hobbit was a misperception, that the re-use of themes was intentional and the Azog fight isn't in fact recycled from Fellowship, but is its own performance...i.e. "original".

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by bsweetness

The 3D release of Avatar is the theatrical version. The extended cut was 2D only.

I'm not a fan of Avatar in the slightest myself, but for some strange reason, I know about the releases.

Got a lot on my mind these days, only so much room.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Got a lot on my mind these days, only so much room.

Whew...and I thought I was the only one!

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I thought I read that the idea of tracked music in The Hobbit was a misperception, that the re-use of themes was intentional and the Azog fight isn't in fact recycled from Fellowship, but is its own performance...i.e. "original".

Maybe... I don't know for sure. What I do know is that it made no sense in the context of the scene and characters. Even if he wanted to retcon the witch king theme and have it evolve over these three films and become the witchking theme that we know from LOTR it makes no sense, because their is absolutely no connection between azog and the witchking beyond both being raging dick holes. It doesn't make sense for the theme to evolve that way. Imo it was nonsensical. I'm not a composer tho so wtf do I know lol.