Because Blu-Ray will "obviously" be replaced rapidly by streaming only...

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

control is a big factor. with streaming/downloading, the studio had ultimate control of the movie. if someone decides to pull a Lucas and change scenes in their movie, what is to stop them from changing your version that you downloaded 6 months earlier? can't happen? anyone donwload the new OS for the iPod and have to download the podcast app? I did and a couple days later I get a pop-up saying all my podcasts have been transferred to that app. it was all done behind the scenes and I had no say in it. why can't the same thing happen here?

Absolutely, and, a related point, what about movies that aren't available in your country? With physical media you've got the world at the click of a button. With digital, you're tied to the rights holder in your territory so you've only got a local version, or none at all, available so its a huge step backwards.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

You are the second guy who has said, "oh I only buy physical media as I live in a small town" blah blah blah.....but then you make the point that you have Netflix and that you use it and thank goodness your plan is unlimited..looks like streaming is penetrating the small towns too....

As a cheap way of watching TV series certainly. As a replacement for bluray, nope, sorry. It's all about the collecting, without buffering or outages or data limits. No fuss, just movies at the level of detail streaming can only dream about.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

As a cheap way of watching TV series certainly. As a replacement for bluray, nope, sorry. It's all about the collecting, without buffering or outages or data limits. No fuss, just movies at the level of detail streaming can only dream about.

Plus pagemaster conveniently ignores most streaming is through Netflix. Why does he think consumers will pay on per title basis from a service like iTunes or Vudu when some of those titles will be available for streaming?

The reality is that Netflix is the primary streaming model. Most use it for TV shows they want to catch up on or watching B-list or older movies.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am sure glad we are starting to see br users come out of the woodwork and admit to streaming

Don't be ridiculous, you're the only one who's tried to make a false dichotomy out of the whole thing for reasons known only to yourself.

I was streaming Mubi back in 2008 when it launched. I know of what I speak.

[arrow61095]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am sure glad we are starting to see br users come out of the woodwork and admit to streaming

There are plenty of people that stream to rent.

It's your crazy claims about "streaming to own replacing physical media" and your crazy claims that "Apple and ITunes have unparalleled quality that rivals Blu-ray" that no one agrees with.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I ignored your post because because I do not agree with it, and I don't have time to waste for responses I don't agree with.

More likely you didn't have a pithy response for it. The studios know they won't be able to charge premiums on a purchase where there is no tangible existance of the purchase other than a title that shows up in your virtual library.

And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if these premium BD sets with DC/UV codes were somehow being counted for EST sales so they can show growth for the model.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I ignored your post because because I do not agree with it, and I don't have time to waste for responses I don't agree with.

lol, more probable is you're starting to ignore comments that you don't want to have to answer anymore now that people are destroying your wild crazy claims

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am sure glad we are starting to see br users come out of the woodwork and admit to streaming

ummm, there's been a LOT of us who stream when there's no other option available. been doing it for years, we just don't agree that there's some massive paradigm shift with streaming vs. physical media nor do we think streaming quality is as good as you claim. nothing more

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am sure glad we are starting to see br users come out of the woodwork and admit to streaming

And... so what? Streaming through Netflix is basically an alternative to renting movies. I have a Netflix streaming account. Though I only use it sporadically, and mostly for TV shows (though I have watched some movies). It's a great way to test things out before buying them if it's something I haven't seen... or as a way to watch things that just aren't available in physical form for one reason or another. I also sometimes watch movies On Demand on cable... mostly ones that are free with by expanded digital and HBO subscriptions. Again, a great way to check out a movie that I haven't seen and don't know if I will like it. If I end up liking it and it's available for purchase, I will do so. Simple as that.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am sure glad we are starting to see br users come out of the woodwork and admit to streaming

I stream too... TV shows that I missed and an occassional movie on Amazon Prime if I was curious about the title.

I watched Star Trek II (HD version) on Prime the other night. The audio was atrocious and the video seemed like an upscaled DVD. If I wasn't watching it on my 46" I probably would have turned it off. Streaming looks like garbage on my 100-in projection setup.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I never said that streaming will replace physical, I said streaming to rent and downloading to rent (two different things) will supplant the number one option of buying. Buying discs will have less market share than online options.

As for iTunes, watching it on an Apple TV is an excellent alternative to blu ray, but remember, only the 3rd gen Apple TV is capable of 1080p

It might be an excellent alternative for you, but you're a bit special.

I don't know where you get the 'number one option of buying' thing from, but it seems your argument has finally been demolised to 'things will largely stay the same as they've been for the last 30 years'. Brilliantly done.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am sure glad we are starting to see br users come out of the woodwork and admit to streaming

I'll bet a lot of us have styrofoam cups full of instant noodles in our cabinets too.

Does that bode poorly for the restaurant industry?

Will fine dining soon be a thing of the past?

[Tok]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I never said that streaming will replace physical, I said streaming to rent and downloading to rent (two different things) will supplant the number one option of buying. Buying discs will have less market share than online options.

As for iTunes, watching it on an Apple TV is an excellent alternative to blu ray, but remember, only the 3rd gen Apple TV is capable of 1080p

Studios will continue to make the physical copies look more attractive to buy with value added content. Again for iTunesHD/HDX titles, the reality is that quality is lower and the customer is not getting anything more than access to the title. Hence most are unwilling to pay the same as the physical copy. Hey even if the quality was equal I wouldn't consider purchasing a iTunesHD/HDX copy unless it was $10 or less even for new releases. The studio didn't have to make a disc, package it, ship it. IOW, they saved a lot of money. They want to live in a world where they can sell it for the same as a physical copy. It's not going to happen.

Again iTunes exists primarily as way to get cheap audio tracks. It's their core business. The video side generates much less revenue.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I am sure glad we are starting to see br users come out of the woodwork and admit to streaming

Think about this. There is iTunes, netflix, lovefilm, now TV, sky on demand, Xbox 1080p and Sony store yet still I buy loads of blurays. What does that tell you?

70 discs at least per year compared to 7 or 8 rentals on Apple TV. Do the maths?

[krazeyeyez]

My name is Bob... and I stream Netflix.

They say the hardest part is admitting you have a problem.


My buying habits are the same... my renting habits and mostly watching TV shows on a weekly as they air basis is really what streaming has changed for me. When TV on DVD began I didn't think it could get any better but its a great time to be a fan of television and movies.

[blonde_devil]

at some point streaming and downloading are going to become bigger than they are but you need to look at the big picture - physical media is there for everyone and anyone to use. doesn't matter where you live, what your internet connection is, with a physical disc like a bluray you can watch the movie anywhere you have a player. with streaming, there are a ton of factors that limit you or even prevent you from using it. studios look to see where they can make the most money. they are not going to lose sales by cutting out blurays just because people in the city with good internet would rather stream. look at dvds - those should have disappeared from the marketplace years ago. there is still a huge market for them so studios still produce them. I don't see a time anytime soon where you can't go to the store and by an actual copy of a movie. I think the bigger question is what is going to replace blurays in stores. With flashdrives starting to come down in price, I could see that happening. maybe they start selling movies on flashdrive, maybe you go to the story and pay to download a movie onto your flashdrive. who knows? but in the end this is a business and streaming only will lose them a lot of money.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

at some point streaming and downloading are going to become bigger than they are but you need to look at the big picture - physical media is there for everyone and anyone to use. doesn't matter where you live, what your internet connection is, with a physical disc like a bluray you can watch the movie anywhere you have a player. with streaming, there are a ton of factors that limit you or even prevent you from using it. studios look to see where they can make the most money. they are not going to lose sales by cutting out blurays just because people in the city with good internet would rather stream. look at dvds - those should have disappeared from the marketplace years ago. there is still a huge market for them so studios still produce them. I don't see a time anytime soon where you can't go to the store and by an actual copy of a movie. I think the bigger question is what is going to replace blurays in stores. With flashdrives starting to come down in price, I could see that happening. maybe they start selling movies on flashdrive, maybe you go to the story and pay to download a movie onto your flashdrive. who knows? but in the end this is a business and streaming only will lose them a lot of money.

If they don't sell blu rays in stores, they are not going to flash drive it. They will just put a code in the box like they do with software already. Blu rays will still be around so don't worry, but older stuff will be difficult to find.

[Towergrove]

Originally Posted by CraigW

Plus pagemaster conveniently ignores most streaming is through Netflix. Why does he think consumers will pay on per title basis from a service like iTunes or Vudu when some of those titles will be available for streaming?

The reality is that Netflix is the primary streaming model. Most use it for TV shows they want to catch up on or watching B-list or older movies.

Lets not forget that Netflix at its introductory price will not always be that cheap ( the section 8 of home video?) all you can eat buffet. In the past when talk about raising the pricing happened people including the customers and stockholders start abandoning ship like rats on a sinking ship. People love a cheap netflix but raise the price a few dollars and .

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Towergrove

Lets not forget that Netflix at its introductory price will not always be that cheap ( the section 8 of home video?) all you can eat buffet. In the past when talk about raising the pricing happened people including the customers and stockholders start abandoning ship like rats on a sinking ship. People love a cheap netflix but raise the price a few dollars and .

How do you know the price will increase?

[Towergrove]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

How do you know the price will increase?

Because prices always increase. Show me a consumer product in history that stays the same price without increasing forever??? I cant think of one.

There has been talk in the past about raising the pricing and that will be brought up again.

Again Netflix, the section 8 of home video, the cheap seats are popular, raise the price and not so popular.