Official Power Sound Audio Thread.

[pretsam]

Originally Posted by bluRazor

If you are looking 4 an avr with xt32 that can calibrate dual subs, accessories4less has denons 4311ci refurb for 1069.99. Mine should be here today.

Yea, I was wondering how their service is as I've read some bad things about them but also good.

[bluRazor]

Originally Posted by pretsam

Yea, I was wondering how their service is as I've read some bad things about them but also good.

Accessories4less? They're an authorized dealer, so you still have the manufacturers warranty. I purchased a cheaper model denon through them in the past, without any issues. I've never dealt with their customer service though. Hopefully I won't have any need to.

[bluRazor]

Sorry about coming in here all off topic and stuff. If they had the xs30's in a wood finish I probably would've had a much harder time choosing between those & the Hsu's I ended up getting. I would still like having a PSA mug if anybody gets any extras.

[Magicmonger]

Originally Posted by Silo5

Never hurts to ask, right?

Nope, it never hurts...

[Joshjp]

bluRazor - were in the Twin Cites do you live?

[Adam.C]

I have a question for you guys....

I currently have one SVS PB12. It is the BASH model.

How much better is a XV15? Or how comparable?

I would either sell the PB12, or maybe just add a XV15 and run them both in my system.

[Silo5]

Originally Posted by Tom V.

To best match the subwoofer to your performance expectations I would need to know the total room area and approximate distance between the subwoofer(s) and the key seating positions. After that, all we would need to do is figure out how loudly you will want the subwoofers to go without audible compression of any kind. Full reference levels? 10dB under?

While a XV30 and XV15 will work very well together(one is just a larger version of the other)...ideally you would want to use identical pairs if possible.

I'd say one XV15 is similar in performance to one PC+. So 2 of each would perform similar too.

Tom Vodhanel

Originally Posted by Adam.C

I have a question for you guys....

I currently have one SVS PB12. It is the BASH model.

How much better is a XV15? Or how comparable?

I would either sell the PB12, or maybe just add a XV15 and run them both in my system.

The quote I attached above shows what Tom said as far as comparing the XV15 with the SVS PC+.

[Joshjp]

JUST ORDERD 1 XS-30, YAYYYYYYYYY

[Bluvette]

Originally Posted by Joshjp

JUST ORDERD 1 XS-30, YAYYYYYYYYY

Congrats you running it with the dual Empires? Wow!

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by Adam.C

I have a question for you guys....

I currently have one SVS PB12. It is the BASH model.

How much better is a XV15? Or how comparable?

I would either sell the PB12, or maybe just add a XV15 and run them both in my system.

I think you'd find the XV15 to be an upgrade but perhaps not a huge "day / night" type of upgrade. The newest pb12plus was measured at audioholics and recorded 111.17dB when averaged from 20-63hz. The XV15 would be 113.3dB from 20-63hz when measured in the same manner(woofer facing the mic).

So there's a couple dB advantage for the XV15 when the 20-63hz range is averaged. That is with the pb12plus in 20hz mode. I believe 16hz mode would give you in room extension more similar to the XV15. But you'll lose a dB or so if you set it to 16hz mode.

Another variable is you have the older (525? watt) amp versus the new 800w amp version that was measured by audioholics. I guess you might drop another dB or so.

So if you have your unit set to 16hz mode the XV15 should offer another 4dB(ish) more output. I guess that could be considered fairly substantial now that I write it all out. To put that in perspective if you had DUAL pb12plus units (with the old amp)---one in each front corner of your room----they would give you about the same output as a single XV15. (within a dB)

Also, I would be surprised if you did not feel the overall sound quality of the XV15 was audible superior---particularly with music/concert source material.


At the end of the day a lot depends on why you are thinking of upgrading. If you are looking for a HUGE increase in output and/or much deeper extension....a single XV15 probably won't get you there. If you want a bit more output and better sound quality...I think you would be quite happy with a XV15.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

[CRAZYKAT]

Originally Posted by Joshjp

JUST ORDERD 1 XS-30, YAYYYYYYYYY

Congrats.
I'm loving mine.

[Magicmonger]

Originally Posted by Joshjp

JUST ORDERD 1 XS-30, YAYYYYYYYYY

Congrats Josh...

[Joshjp]

Originally Posted by Bluvette

Congrats you running it with the dual Empires? Wow!

THANKS Bluvette, no im trying to sell the Empires.Localy

[Joshjp]

Originally Posted by CRAZYKAT

Congrats.
I'm loving mine.

THANKS, cant wait to get it, that is the hard part.

[Joshjp]

Originally Posted by Magicmonger

Congrats Josh...

THANKS,cant wait to hear it.

[Adam.C]

Originally Posted by Tom V.

I think you'd find the XV15 to be an upgrade but perhaps not a huge "day / night" type of upgrade. The newest pb12plus was measured at audioholics and recorded 111.17dB when averaged from 20-63hz. The XV15 would be 113.3dB from 20-63hz when measured in the same manner(woofer facing the mic).

So there's a couple dB advantage for the XV15 when the 20-63hz range is averaged. That is with the pb12plus in 20hz mode. I believe 16hz mode would give you in room extension more similar to the XV15. But you'll lose a dB or so if you set it to 16hz mode.

Another variable is you have the older (525? watt) amp versus the new 800w amp version that was measured by audioholics. I guess you might drop another dB or so.

So if you have your unit set to 16hz mode the XV15 should offer another 4dB(ish) more output. I guess that could be considered fairly substantial now that I write it all out. To put that in perspective if you had DUAL pb12plus units (with the old amp)---one in each front corner of your room----they would give you about the same output as a single XV15. (within a dB)

Also, I would be surprised if you did not feel the overall sound quality of the XV15 was audible superior---particularly with music/concert source material.


At the end of the day a lot depends on why you are thinking of upgrading. If you are looking for a HUGE increase in output and/or much deeper extension....a single XV15 probably won't get you there. If you want a bit more output and better sound quality...I think you would be quite happy with a XV15.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Thanks for all the great info. I actually have just the PB-12NSD not + model. So it sounds like it will be a substantial upgrade. I may try selling the SVS and upgrade to a XV15... Thanks!

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by Adam.C

Thanks for all the great info. I actually have just the PB-12NSD not + model. So it sounds like it will be a substantial upgrade. I may try selling the SVS and upgrade to a XV15... Thanks!

Oh the XV15 will be a significant upgrade in this case. A bit deeper extension, better sound quality, and about double the output capabilities. We've had quite a few people upgrade from your sub to the XV15 and it didn't seem like they expected it to be a *big* upgrade( i guessed base on the pricing). Boy were they surprised..

Several have posted their experiences in different threads around the internet. In this thread go back to posts in the #800-#810 range and you'll see "Bmoney003" talking about a pb12nsd to XV15 upgrade and his thoughts on how each sub compares.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

[Adam.C]

Originally Posted by Tom V.

Oh the XV15 will be a significant upgrade in this case. A bit deeper extension, better sound quality, and about double the output capabilities. We've had quite a few people upgrade from your sub to the XV15 and it didn't seem like they expected it to be a *big* upgrade( i guessed base on the pricing). Boy were they surprised..

Several have posted their experiences in different threads around the internet. In this thread go back to posts in the #800-#810 range and you'll see "Bmoney003" talking about a pb12nsd to XV15 upgrade and his thoughts on how each sub compares.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Thanks... Yeah I am sold . Will look into selling the SVS and upgrading. Just got to convince the wife lol.

[Spurrier Sucks]

Originally Posted by Adam.C

Thanks... Yeah I am sold . Will look into selling the SVS and upgrading. Just got to convince the wife lol.

It's best to ask for forgiveness rather than permission.

[Magicmonger]

Originally Posted by Spurrier Sucks

It's best to ask for forgiveness rather than permission.

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