A "bias" review of BR Short comings

[Gremal]

I replied. I'm tired of articles like these.

All a movie format needs to do is deliver the movie. The profiles of BD have to do with bonus features and content. You are doing a disservice to your readers when you hammer these issues above the actual film, which is delivered in very good quality on BD. And if you think standardization is bad with Blu-ray, just wait until unfair journalists like you scare the public enough to kill it. Then we will see a bevy of horrible, lossy downloadable technologies with no standardization and we will blame YOU. Please smarten up and think about what you're doing. Blu-ray isn't perfect and no one said it is, but it's getting there. Rome wasn't built in a day, but BD is the best video format we have and are likely to ever have for the foreseeable future. You can either be helpful and sing its praises, or try to scare consumers away, like you're doing. Developers and manufacturers are already aware of the issues you raise. You're doing nothing good, Scott. Nothing good at all.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Gremal

I replied. I'm tired of articles like these.

I hear a battle cry in there somewhere.

Quick, everyone get your clubs and torches!!!

[un4gvn94538]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

I hear a battle cry in there somewhere.

Quick, everyone get your clubs and torches!!!

ill get my pitch fork

[LOTR07]

Originally Posted by Gremal

I replied. I'm tired of articles like these.

excellent rebutal, instead of the wooo is me stance they need to jump in and state the capabilities and educate the consumer rather than confusing the issue with "well the other format was more standardized" and BD is not. that stance is not helping the everyday consumer.

[BruceWayne]

Originally Posted by Gremal

I replied. I'm tired of articles like these.

Nice reply, people like that are still just hurt that they supported a loser and are finding reasons to justify their initial support. get over it. It will be interesting to see what/if he responds to you!

[Spankey]

I laughed when I replied to one of those write ups a few months back and I called the magazine biased. It certainly has been since day one. All our old friends are there. Vaughn, TJ Norton and now this fool. Complete nonsense and a group of whiners who still want HD-DVD to win. They just can't be fair and realize the technical superiority of Blu-ray over HD-DVD. Just hung up on player profiles. I will not pay money for that magazine again.

[Snyder-man]

i hate to say it but its true, I have both blu ray and hd dvd, both movies looks the same and are great but i mean hd dvd had PinP and alot of the blu rays new stuff, and i understand the movie is whats most important but at the same time they both looked good, part of what was so special about the new format was the features that it can do and blu ray made alot of early supports unhappy without even including ethernet ports for updates and even having trouble playing the movies? hd dvd had alot of quality control with thier players...unlike some blu rays, i mean the format war is over and i support blu ray, but i think they are guilty of micrsoft syndrome...releasing something before it was ready....

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Snyder-man

i mean the format war is over and i support blu ray, but i think they are guilty of micrsoft syndrome...releasing something before it was ready....

Mostly because Toshiba pushed out a cobbled together format on laptop hardware. Blu was forced to launch a bit early.

It isn't as if HD DVD was fully finished either. It's just people strut around acting like it was.

- HD DVD didn't do full TrueHD originally (and doesn't have to beyond 2 channel in the spec)
- The players needed firmware updates to do IME and web IME.
- No SoC could support the spec for over a year after launch because of the 900MHz minimum processor requirement of HDi.
- Twin combos, and TL51 were introduced to the spec after launch.
- HD DVD-R was mostly a no show and HD DVD-RW a total no show

People say "I don't care about X" for HD DVD, and then scream murder because things others don't care about aren't in original BD players. It's hypocrisy. They are looking for points against Blu-ray and ignoring any flaws in HD DVD.

Gary

[Vlad44]

guys, dont take that review close to heart. I just visit UAVMag for fun.

[Spankey]

Here's my response:

Another hysterical piece from a publication that has been biased towards HD-DVD since day one. The half truths written in this piece are sad.

I've owned a first generation Samsung Blu-ray player since Oct 06 and it has hardly been a "disaster" as it wasn't a disaster for me to buy a $1000 Sony DVD player in 1997 that didn't support DTS or progressive scan.

Blu-ray discs so expensive due to copy protection? I just bought I Am Legend from Amazon for $19. I'm sure that online HT publications also know how to shop online?

You "cleverly" fail to mention Blu-ray's superior storage and bandwidth capabilities that allow for seamless branching and room for lossless audio. You know. Lossless audio. Something that was left off HD-DVD stellar Transformers release due to space limitations.

Keep harping on the download nonsense. Please tell us where we will store our downloaded movie collections and have instant access to them where we want.

Ultimate AV should be renamed to Ultimate Extras. Sad

[Spankey]

hd dvd had alot of quality control with thier players...unlike some blu rays, i mean the format war is over and i support blu ray, but i think they are guilty of micrsoft syndrome...releasing something before it was ready....

I won't even...

[GaS]

Originally Posted by Spankey

I won't even...

AWW come on!! Go there!!

Never had to boil a BD.
Never had lip synch issues with BD.
Never received any cryptic error codes while watching BD.
Never had a lockup while watching a BD.
Never had to hard reset/remove power from my PS3 while watching a BD.
Never had to flip to the DVD side of my BD to finish a movie (yeah I know we don't have combo's but the argument still stands).

Am I missing any?

[Chevypower]

Of course we're not biased on here.....

[guartho]

Originally Posted by GaS

AWW come on!! Go there!!

Never had to boil a BD.
Never had lip synch issues with BD.
Never received any cryptic error codes while watching BD.
Never had a lockup while watching a BD.
Never had to hard reset/remove power from my PS3 while watching a BD.
Never had to flip to the DVD side of my BD to finish a movie (yeah I know we don't have combo's but the argument still stands).

Am I missing any?

I never had any of that with my HDDVD player either.

Originally Posted by owa

Nice to see blog after blog touting a failed format as having done things right.

I'll admit to being a Trojan Horse member who would've preferred HDDVD to win for professional and consumer reasons. However, it didn't. Writing articles about how nice it would be if it had is pretty darn pointless.

Don't worry though, I'm on the bandwagon now. It's just a much more expensive wagon in terms of $ and work-flow time. But nevertheless I'm posting here while I wait on burning an HD wedding on BD-R

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by Gremal

I replied. I'm tired of articles like these.

First post, but long time lurker.

My take on the article is that the writer is asking for improvement in the Blu-ray experience. He has an issue with optional features for fear that they won't be utilized, specifically with bookmarking and how it affected the release of Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics and the differences vs. the HD DVD and how Joe Kane didn't implement bookmarking because of the fear that it wouldn't work on a lot of players on the market. This is a valid concern from an encoding standpoint.

I'm sure in an ideal world, Blu-ray would have never wanted Profiles to begin with, but had to launch their product when they did in order to compete with HD DVD (and eventually won). Educating consumers about profiles is a good thing, rather than a bad thing (IMO). He is asking that Profile 2.0 become the mandatory standard, so that as Blu-ray starts to get more mainstream, then there won't be these issues (at least that's how I read it).

As for BD+, I don't understand why AACS is mandatory for all discs. The writer is asking for some hardware to be mandatory, but copy protection to be optional for the content providers. If someone doesn't see the benefit of spending thousands of dollars for a copy protection of their content, why should they have to pay for it? I just don't see any bias in this article and even Gemal mentioned in his post the Blu-ray isn't perfect, these suggestions from the writer are a way of improving Blu-ray from his point of view.