The Lone Ranger

[Tony208]

It'll be lucky to make half of what Pirates 4 made.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

Its production budget was once set at an estimated $250-$300 million. It was then lowered to $215 million. The websites that have it at $250 million are incorrect.

Doubtful. I've heard the film went over budget, and is actually closer to $275 million. Verbinski is known for going overbudget on his films.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Tony208

It'll be lucky to make half of what Pirates 4 made.

Underworld54 told me a few posts below that box-office.com has it pegged for $135 million. I think it could do a bit better then that though. Maybe $250 Million domestically, Maybe. Or a little less then that like $200 million or so.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Doubtful. I've heard the film went over budget, and is actually closer to $275 million. Verbinski is known for going overbudget on his films.

I'm not completely sure about that. I am pretty sure its production budget is $215 million. It was even said a few years ago in 2011 on an article on thehollywoodreporter.com, that its production budget is $215 million after The Lone Ranger movies production budget was lowered
-> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...silence-250262

[Tony208]

This will probably do better domestically than internationally. Or at least closer to 50/50.

[Tony208]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

I'm not completely sure about that. I am pretty sure its production budget is $215 million. It was even said a few years ago in 2011 on an article on thehollywoodreporter.com, that its production budget is $215 million after The Lone Ranger movies production budget was lowered
-> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...silence-250262

That's from 2011 although some of the 250m estimates are outdated too.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

Underworld54 told me a few posts below that box-office.com has it pegged for $135 million. I think it could do a bit better then that though. Maybe $250 Million domestically, Maybe. Or a little less then that like $200 million or so.

It'll be lucky to make that much, sadly. The marketing is pretty bad, and audience just don't seem that interested in pulp heroes anymore. Something that bums me out greatly, because I'm a huge fan of pulp literature. That said, that doesn't mean the movie is bad, it just means audiences might be interested in other things. 'Despicable Me 2', 'White House Down', and even 'Pacific Rim' the week after, are a lot of competition for this film. Depp's name isn't an instant draw either, as we saw last year when WB sacrificed 'Dark Shadows' the week after 'The Avengers'.

Disney hasn't had a lot of faith in this project from the start, hence the back and forth about the film being shut down, cutting the budget, etc. Yet, somehow, they still managed to make the movie on too much money for a western. This shouldn't have cost over $150 million, so the fact it's pegged just over $275 million is insane. Disney is taking too many big gambles with their films, look at 'John Carter' and 'Oz'. They're spending too much and hoping for a billion dollar film. They'll be lucky if these makes $700 million worldwide. Again, this isn't saying the movie itself is bad, far from it. This is just about spending too much on a character that audiences just don't seem interested in.

Originally Posted by Sean B.

I'm not completely sure about that. I am pretty sure its production budget is $215 million. It was even said a few years ago in 2011 on an article on thehollywoodreporter.com, that its production budget is $215 million after The Lone Ranger movies production budget was lowered
-> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...silence-250262

That's an old article. The movie cost a lot more than that. I guarantee you that, plus you have to factor in advertising and the works. So, it's much more than the $215 million.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Tony208

That's from 2011 although some of the 250m estimates are outdated too.

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

That's an old article. The movie cost a lot more than that. I guarantee you that, plus you have to factor in advertising and the works. So, it's much more than the $215 million.

Yes, it's from 2011 and its says on it that The Lone Rangers production budget was lowered from somewhere over $260 million to $215 million. It's production budget is not more then $215 million now.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

Yes, it's from 2011 and its says on it that The Lone Rangers production budget was lowered from somewhere over $260 million to $215 million.

You know how much changes in two years? I'm telling you right now, the film cost more than that and went over budget. No matter how many times you try to say otherwise, it's just not true.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

It'll be lucky to make that much, sadly. The marketing is pretty bad, and audience just don't seem that interested in pulp heroes anymore. Something that bums me out greatly, because I'm a huge fan of pulp literature. That said, that doesn't mean the movie is bad, it just means audiences might be interested in other things. 'Despicable Me 2', 'White House Down', and even 'Pacific Rim' the week after, are a lot of competition for this film. Depp's name isn't an instant draw either, as we saw last year when WB sacrificed 'Dark Shadows' the week after 'The Avengers'.

Disney hasn't had a lot of faith in this project from the start, hence the back and forth about the film being shut down, cutting the budget, etc. Yet, somehow, they still managed to make the movie on too much money for a western. This shouldn't have cost over $150 million, so the fact it's pegged just over $275 million is insane. Disney is taking too many big gambles with their films, look at 'John Carter' and 'Oz'. They're spending too much and hoping for a billion dollar film. They'll be lucky if these makes $700 million worldwide. Again, this isn't saying the movie itself is bad, far from it. This is just about spending too much on a character that audiences just don't seem interested in.

How is the marketing bad when there are plenty of tv spots, trailers, featurettes, etc ? -> http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=43459 . The budget was cut because they didn't want it to be like another "Pirates 3". $215 million isn't too much for a western and its budget isn't $275 million or over $275 million either, its production budget is $60 million dollars less then that meaning $215 million.

[leey]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

How is the marketing bad when there are plenty of tv spots, trailers, featurettes, etc ? -> http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=43459 . The budget was cut because they didn't want it to be like another "Pirates 3". $215 million isn't too much for a western and its budget isn't $275 million or over $275 million either, its production budget is $60 million dollars less then that meaning $215 million.

Where?! I work in a movie theatre and I don't think my theatre even started showing the trailer during shows . We've had one teaser released something like a year ago, and one trailer a month or so away (which I can hardly even remember... actually...)
It's all about buzz... Or fuzz ... Or whatever you wanna call it. Lone Ranger's hasn't got a huge hype for all I know.
And how is a Western movie not overpriced with way above 200M? You're basing your argument on the fact that there aren't many Westerns made these days, perhaps, but that does not make sense either (Cowboys & Aliens comes to mind, and was a box office disappointment)

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

You know how much changes in two years? I'm telling you right now, the film cost more than that and went over budget. No matter how many times you try to say otherwise, it's just not true.

But, It doesn't cost more then that anymore. Yes, it went over budget but when it went over budget, they had lowered it to a $215 million dollar budget.

[leey]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...ny-depp-336526

Here you go, Sean. Your source was from 2011. Here's one from 2012.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by leey

Where?! I work in a movie theatre and I don't think my theatre even started showing the trailer during shows . We've had one teaser released something like a year ago, and one trailer a month or so away (which I can hardly even remember... actually...) It's all about buzz... Or fuzz ... Or whatever you wanna call it. Lone Ranger's hasn't got a huge hype for all I know. And how is a Western movie not overpriced with way above 200M? You're basing your argument on the fact that there aren't many Westerns made these days, perhaps, but that does not make sense either (Cowboys & Aliens comes to mind, and was a box office disappointment)

It's not way above $200 million though. It's just $15 million dollars more then that, at $215 million.

[Tony208]

Not saying this site is a good barometer for anything but, we do have fans for the most obscure titles here. So it looks kind of bad when the thread is devoid of any enthusiasm for the movie. There's like a few people but, not much. The biggest topic isn't even whether the movie is good or anything in the movie, it's about the budget.

I've never seen a less active thread for a major release.

[leey]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

It's not way above $200 million though. It's just $15 million dollars more then that, at $215 million.

You really have to take every word literally, don't you? That's not the point of my post... Or to get back to your post: 15 millions is nothing? And you're not even considering marketing costs and (this is Disney after all?) merchandize costs.

Originally Posted by Tony208

Not saying this site is a good barometer for anything but, we do have fans for the most obscure titles here. So it looks kind of bad when the thread is devoid of any enthusiasm for the movie. There's like a few people but, not much. The biggest topic isn't even whether the movie is good or anything in the movie, it's about the budget.

I've never seen a less active thread for a major release.

Right there. That.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

How is the marketing bad when there are plenty of tv spots, trailers, featurettes, etc ? -> http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=43459 . The budget was cut because they didn't want it to be like another "Pirates 3". $215 million isn't too much for a western and its budget isn't $275 million or over $275 million either, its production budget is $60 million dollars less then that meaning $215 million.

Originally Posted by Sean B.

But, It doesn't cost more then that anymore. Yes, it went over budget but when it went over budget, they had lowered it to a $215 million dollar budget.

You can keep arguing with me all you want, and using outdated articles to try and prove your point, but it doesn't make you right. I get really tired of going in circles with, you don't listen when people talk to you. The budget, at one point, yes, was $215 million, but it went OVER BUDGET DURING PRODUCTION. I've bolded that part so you understand, that old article is not correct. Here's an article from a year ago:

Insiders (reliable ones, mind you) are reporting that Depp’s unorthodox western has fallen days – possibly even weeks – behind schedule. More importantly, the budget is said to have risen above a “lowered” $215 million – and ballooned back up to the $250 million level that prompted Disney to halt the project’s development in the first place.

The site’s sources are continuing to insist that the budget is “up to a number [Disney heads] didn’t want.” Reportedly, the main culprit responsible for said price hike is Verbinski’s decision to construct period-accurate locomotives for the film’s railroad set pieces, rather than simply refashion contemporary trains. That decision seems to tie into the director’s vision of Lone Ranger as a “photo-real” western.

Now, take into account marketing for the film, you're looking at over $275 million, which I've been trying to tell you. Period. The movie is over budget, much more than Disney was hoping for.

Also, $215 million is way too much for a western film, whether you want to believe it or not. That is an insane amount of money for something like this.

Finally, when it comes to marketing, I know the marketing isn't doing it's job because no one seems to be interested in the film. It's only projected for a $35 million opening right now. That's a colossal misfire for something Disney spent so much money on. That, to me, tells me the marketing is terrible. This is 'John Carter' all over again for Disney. This has nothing to do with the quality of the film itself, but it does show Disney needs to be wiser with how they spend their money.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by leey

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...ny-depp-336526

Here you go, Sean. Your source was from 2011. Here's one from 2012.

It says in that article that you just gave me a link to a moment ago or so that, a Disney spokesperson says the $250 million budget number is inaccurate. So, It sounds to me like $215 million is really what its budget is.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Tony208

It'll be lucky to make half of what Pirates 4 made.

And then, pretty much for the exact same reasons as Pirates 4:
Weird foreign countries think this's what "an American movie" looks like.

Not saying this site is a good barometer for anything but, we do have fans for the most obscure titles here. So it looks kind of bad when the thread is devoid of any enthusiasm for the movie. There's like a few people but, not much. The biggest topic isn't even whether the movie is good or anything in the movie, it's about the budget.

I've never seen a less active thread for a major release.

It's only those who HAVEN'T seen the trailer that are discussing the Big Amazing Budget, and Profit Margins. Everyone else who has knows why it's not really worth talking about until it opens and can prove it.

(Note the previous discussions of "Why did Dark Shadows do so badly?...Did it hit some bad moment with the public, during the Avengers momentum? Or did the public feel Depp was miscast, or the source material just not have enough identification with the public?"
Anyone pursuing that line of questioning deserves to have the trailer rubbed in his face. )

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

It says in that article that you just gave me a like to a moment ago or so that, a Disney spokesperson says the $250 million budget number is inaccurate. So, It sounds to me like $215 million is really what its budget is.

Of course Disney doesn't want to know about the problems behind the scenes, like belated budgets, a crew member dying, the lawsuit that ended up costing the studio even more money, etc. Seriously, your a fan, and I get it, but you need to quit being so blind to what we're telling you. It's like you're trying not to understand us...