Fifth Element (Best Version?)

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

This is really some crazy talk. Both transfers are crap, but the Gaumont is significantly better. No comparison to that EE, digital sharpened nonsense.

The U.S remastered version is flawed with EE and artificial sharpening, but I'd take a more detailed image like the U.S version over a flat soft conrast boosted DNR fest which destroys detail and texture.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

The U.S remastered version is flawed with EE and artificial sharpening, but I'd take a more detailed image like the U.S version over a flat soft conrast boosted DNR fest which destroys detail and texture.

maybe the forthcoming '4K' re-scan' bluray release will eliminate the edge enhancement ...

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

maybe the forthcoming '4K' re-scan' bluray release will eliminate the edge enhancement ...

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

awwww

[okay... that's distracting]

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

awwww

[okay... that's distracting]

Sony was probably the worst offender when it came to flogging consumers during DVD's heyday.

1) Bare-bones release

2) Special Edition

3) Extended/Unrated Cuts

4) SuperBit

Disney played copycat and started doing the same thing, releasing extended/unrated cuts of a whole bunch of movies.

It got to the point where I almost didn't want to buy movies on DVD anymore. Now they're doing it again.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

Sony was probably the worst offender when it came to flogging consumers during DVD's heyday.

1) Bare-bones release

2) Special Edition

3) Extended/Unrated Cuts

4) SuperBit

Disney played copycat and started doing the same thing, releasing extended/unrated cuts of a whole bunch of movies.

It got to the point where I almost didn't want to buy movies on DVD anymore. Now they're doing it again.

you're preaching to the choir here. but yes, I completely agree with you.

[DenOfEarth]

Loved this movie since i was 15 when i saw it 5 times in theaters and who thinks the film has never looked better than ever on BD with a nearly flawless transfer?

[Lopan]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

maybe the forthcoming '4K' re-scan' bluray release will eliminate the edge enhancement ...

Speaking of, why not? They can call it the Give Me Some Heat Mon Edition or something like that.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Lopan

Speaking of, why not? They can call it the Give Me Some Heat Mon Edition or something like that.

[nagysaudio]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

The U.S remastered version is flawed with EE and artificial sharpening, but I'd take a more detailed image like the U.S version over a flat soft conrast boosted DNR fest which destroys detail and texture.

The Gaumont transfer actually has a little bit more REAL detail. Unfortunately, you're just being fooled by Sony's EE and sharpening.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

The Gaumont transfer actually has a little bit more REAL detail. Unfortunately, you're just being fooled by Sony's EE and sharpening.

How does the Gaumont version have 'more' detail when multiple stars in the background of this picture for example are missing in the Gaumont version where as they are clearly visible in the U.S remastered version? - http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

That's pretty aggressive DNR which is worse then the EE/sharpening on the U.S remastered disc.

and here's a picture showing just how overblown the contrast is on the Gaumont version as well - http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

The U.S remastered version does seem to be the lesser of the 2 evils IMO..

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

How does the Gaumont version have 'more' detail when multiple stars in the background of this picture for example are missing in the Gaumont version where as they are clearly visible in the U.S remastered version? - http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

That's pretty aggressive DNR which is worse then the EE/sharpening on the U.S remastered disc.

and here's a picture showing just how overblown the contrast is on the Gaumont version as well - http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

The U.S remastered version does seem to be the lesser of the 2 evils IMO..

Buy the Gaumont (its cheap enough) and see for yourself. Screencaps are one thing, viewing is another.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

Buy the Gaumont (its cheap enough) and see for yourself. Screencaps are one thing, viewing is another.

I agree that watching something in motion is always the ultimate deciding factor, but screencaps generally give a good idea on whats ahead and what I see is blown contrast and a lot of DNR.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

The U.S remastered version is flawed with EE and artificial sharpening, but I'd take a more detailed image like the U.S version over a flat soft conrast boosted DNR fest which destroys detail and texture.

The U.S. version is not more detailed...unless of course halos designate "more detail" to you, in which case yes, it is more detailed.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

The U.S. version is not more detailed...unless of course halos designate "more detail" to you, in which case yes, it is more detailed.

Did you not see the links I put up? Both are examples of how the DNR and contrast boosting of the Gaumont show significantly less detail then the U.S version. Missing stars and blown whites being the key points here.

For good measure here they are again:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich



Yes the U.S version is overly sharpened and above all has separate problems of its own, but its clear which is more detailed.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Did you not see the links I put up? Both are examples of how the DNR and contrast boosting of the Gaumont show significantly less detail then the U.S version. Missing stars and blown whites being the key points here.

For good measure here they are again:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich



Yes the U.S version is overly sharpened and above all has separate problems of its own, but its clear which is more detailed.

I have seen the Gaumont in motion. You have not. Be gone.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I have seen the Gaumont in motion. You have not. Be gone.

So I take it that you like movies looking 'squeaky clean' at the expense of fine detail then eh?

Watching it in motion could give fractionally better or fractionally worse results then the screencaps display, but either way you can't undo DNR of which the Gaumont is loaded with. You'd be delusional or ignorant to think it doesn't feature a hell of a lot of noise reduction (which I feel is a worse offender then digital sharpening.)

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

So I take it that you like movies looking 'squeaky clean' at the expense of fine detail then eh?

Watching it in motion could give fractionally better or fractionally worse results then the screencaps display, but either way you can't undo DNR of which the Gaumont is loaded with. You'd be delusional or ignorant to think it doesn't feature a hell of a lot of noise reduction (which I feel is a worse offender then digital sharpening.)

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ_ON...=youtu.be&t=6s