Say thanks to Warner Bros. for Blood Diamond

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

But if you read my post that you replied to, I wasn't talking about technical advantages, but about technical hold-ups (BD-J), which is why I considered your post to be ignoring my point.

As for your comment about the BD-J feature being able to be added at a later point, I'm fully aware of that, but the bottom line is that I don't think it's fair to expect people who want that functionality to double dip. Warners should have waited with this title.

No you said...

Where it is not possible for soon-to-be-sorted technical reasons

You did not differentiate between advantage or hold up....

Now that you have...you seem to have convientently ignored PeterTHX's post only 2 posts above yours...

Let me quote...

Horsepucky. If a limited resource indie like Digital Leisure (Dragon's Lair) can do high function Java features then Warner can. They are simply TOO CHEAP to spend the cash right now to author a completely different BD version. Warner's method: take the VC-1 encode optimized for HD-DVD and slap it onto a BD disc.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by marine92104

I guess I should have went more in depth about what I meant. Do you think it's right for Warner to charge the same amount for the movie on both formats when on Blu-ray they're just including the movie with no interactivity & commentaries & on HD DVD including the interactivity & commentaries.

In other words would you rather Warner release on both formats at the same time giving Blu-ray less & charging the same amount giving HD DVD more extras or would you rather wait until they can give the same things they're giving on the HD DVD at a later date since they're charging the same price?

It's an interesting question that people may differ on?

You should ask other HD DVD owners the same question when Warner releases an HD DVD with fewer features than another and charges the same....

The entire "extras" argument is so weak its not even funny....

[BLu-Balls]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Horsepucky. If a limited resource indie like Digital Leisure (Dragon's Lair) can do high function Java features then Warner can. They are simply TOO CHEAP to spend the cash right now to author a completely different BD version. Warner's method: take the VC-1 encode optimized for HD-DVD and slap it onto a BD disc.

Muthaf--a I hate Warner Brothers. Good damn !!!!!!. That reminds me... Deadwood+Blu-ray=awesome

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

No you said...

Quote:
Where it is not possible for soon-to-be-sorted technical reasons

You did not differentiate between advantage or hold up....

"soon-to-be-sorted" means "hold-up" in my book. Nothing to do with "advantage".

Now that you have...you seem to have convientently ignored PeterTHX's post only 2 posts above yours...

Let me quote...

Horsepucky. If a limited resource indie like Digital Leisure (Dragon's Lair) can do high function Java features then Warner can. They are simply TOO CHEAP to spend the cash right now to author a completely different BD version. Warner's method: take the VC-1 encode optimized for HD-DVD and slap it onto a BD disc.

I am not aware of the Dragon's Lair disc, or how they included Java features when the specifications are not finalised. I'd agree, that if this is the case, Warners are not doing all they can, but I'd still say that until the BD-J spec has been finalised, it would make sense for companies to concentrate on titles which do not require it.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

"soon-to-be-sorted" means "hold-up" in my book. Nothing to do with "advantage".

My bad...

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

My bad...

No problem. I find it very difficult to be upset with someone who clearly likes Formula 1!

[MatrixS2000]

Been an F1 fan forever!

This (audio/video) and motorsports are my 2 "hobbies", unfortunately both are expensive!

There is nothing like being on a track at speed....



^ defines the S2000 part of my handle....


(Sorry for the off topics...)

[BOSS10L]

Originally Posted by 300

This is blasphemy! This is madness!

On a serious note though, why sit here and cannibalize each other over this? Everyone has a right to their opinion. The true fact of the matter is that all of our posturing doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the eyes of Warner. They're going to do what they want to, and we have one of four choices:

1) Don't buy
2) Buy releases as they come
3) Wait and buy releases when they have been released with the features you want
4) Go format neutral and be done with it

It is laudable hearing people banter back and forth over this. Obviously we realize that Warner is catering to the HD DVD side more, or at the very least cutting corners in order to save money on BD processing costs.

Should we prefer Warner stop the farce and pull out of supporting BD completely? Last time I checked, some titles are better than none at all.

For the record, I could care less about IME, BD-J or most extras. It depends on the IP really. That being said, as long as the video and audio are of high caliber, I don't feel it is right of me to wish those 'extras' taken away from my fellow BD fans who wish them.

This in-fighting has to stop. The bickering between the camps and fanboys is enough, we sure don't need it here. Best of Both Worlds brings up some interesting points, and while all of you might not agree with them, jumping on him for his convictions is counterproductive to say the least.

We fight victoriously together, or we shall die alone....

[baccusboy]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

The thing is that the technical short comings are against HD DVD NOT BD. BD has the technical advantage.

If they did release the titles simultaneously with extras, the problem is that WE, BD owners, don't want the inferior bit rate encoding that comes with HD-DVD. We want the full bit rate available to us on a BD.

And here is where the technical advantage is ours, however, BD is limited by HD DVD given their limited storage capacity. The extras mean that WE, BD owners, get the short end of the stick because WE get stuck with the inferior HD DVD bit rate encoding.

What should happen is use the higher bit rate encoding and cut the extras out of the HD DVD so that it fits on a red disc...

Oh wait, HD DVD can't handle the higher bit rates, so the studio defaults to the LOWEST common denominator and that is the inferior HD DVD bit rate for both formats....so the technical shortcomings are on HD DVD not on BD.

That is why HD DVD must die....

I fear the same thing in terms of games for the PS3.

[BOSS10L]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

defines the S2000 part of my handle....

Sweet car. I've always wanted to take one of those on some "twisties".

I'm more of a straight-line guy myself, hence my handle:





My babies...I miss them. Dumbest thing I ever did was sell them.

[MatrixS2000]

Nice and sorry you sold!

You can watch a 400HP Mustang trying to chase me for a lap at a local track here:

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...1c018305e2.htm

(again sorry for the off topic)

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

"soon-to-be-sorted" means "hold-up" in my book. Nothing to do with "advantage".



I am not aware of the Dragon's Lair disc, or how they included Java features when the specifications are not finalised. I'd agree, that if this is the case, Warners are not doing all they can, but I'd still say that until the BD-J spec has been finalised, it would make sense for companies to concentrate on titles which do not require it.

BD-J IS finalised. Every Blu-ray player on the market today is BD-J compliant.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

BD-J IS finalised. Every Blu-ray player on the market today is BD-J compliant.

I feel like we're seeing a lot of FUD and misinformation being shot down in this thread and it's all coming from the same source or two.

Could be just me.

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

BD-J IS finalised. Every Blu-ray player on the market today is BD-J compliant.

OK, so what's this October 31st date that the BDA have given as the deadline for all players to be fully compliant with BD-J?

I quote:

"Blu-ray Disc players released after Oct. 31 will feature markedly improved functionality over models currently available for sale.

The Blu-ray Disc Assn. has mandated that all hardware streeting after that date must be able to play back picture-in-picture video, as driven by BD Java interactive technology. Many players on shelves now can handle BD Java, but to varying degrees. Few Blu-ray players include picture-in-picture capability, for instance, not even the PlayStation 3.

Sony’s current and summer 2007 stand-alone models and available Pioneer and Philips units are among those lacking the picture-in-picture feature.

... snip ...

“I just finished graphics with my first BD Java title,” said DVD producer Van Ling, who declined to name the release. “What I’m finding is that there is a lot of optimism that it will work, but it’s not a certainty. We are now out of the realm of normal video format stuff, and we’re into computer programming.”

Ling worries about ongoing differences among Blu-ray players, because it’s likely some manufacturers will adhere to minimum standards and others will go above and beyond for competitive reasons.

“The whole problem comes in when some manufacturers toe the minimum line and some others might make twice the minimum [functionality] on players,” said Ling. “In my view, I shouldn’t have to know what every single player can do. Rather than downgrade my creative vision for the lowest common denominator player, I want to create something [that fully realizes Blu-ray abilities].”

Source: http://www.videobusiness.com/article....html?nid=2840

I'm not interested in spreading misinformation, just getting to the bottom of this. I have a vested interest, after all, as I have a first-generation BD player. To be absolutely blunt, by the sounds of this, it's not me that's spreading the FUD, whatever that term may mean! (Why do people on forums insist on talking in code?)

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

OK, so what's this October 31st date that the BDA have given as the deadline for all players to be fully compliant with BD-J?

Consider those Lego Robots (Mindstorm NXT). It's made up of basic Lego plastics (actually they are pretty high tech), the motors and the program that controls the motors. These robots can have full functionality based on its blu-print (get it?)

Basically BD is the Lego blocks. Java is the program and the motors. BD-Live and BD Profile 1.1 are the additional hardware/software that can enable the robot to have motion or heat detector (camera hardware) or getting the robot to dance using existing motors.

Between now and October 31st, CEs can continue selling the first and second gen BD players. CEs can also opt to release BD Profile 1.1 and BD-Live players right now. However starting November 1st, no NEW BD profile 1.0 can be announced or sold. The key word is NEW.


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[Deciazulado]

Well I think it's time to say thanks to Warner because of this

[nhaase]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Well I think it's time to say thanks to Warner because of this

We've got to get great sales numbers for that title to show Warners what they're missing out on w/ their other blockbusters.

[BOSS10L]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Well I think it's time to say thanks to Warner because of this

W00t!

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Well I think it's time to say thanks to Warner because of this

I'm definitely buying!