DTS-HD MA is not as important as CC/subtitling for the deaf/hearing impaired!

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by FEP3108

A better Title for this thread would have been "When Do You Think" Or "How Can We All Get Sony To"...

Or an even Better title would have been "When do you think The Matrix/Transformers/LotR will be released on Blu with CC?"

Doc

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Or an even Better title would have been "When do you think The Matrix/Transformers/LotR will be released on Blu with CC?"

Doc

funny title here, how can deaf people know if dts hdma is great! LOL

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by Caligula

funny title here

Yeah, I liked your original better - stimulated more conversation. I feel a Disturbance in the force - as if a hundred and a half posts were suddenly silenced by a well-meaning moderator. [sarcasm](Hmm I wonder who?)[/sarcasm]

(EDIT: After all, it was the title that got the convo going in the first place)

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Yeah, I liked your original better - stimulated more conversation. I feel a Disturbance in the force - as if a hundred and a half posts were suddenly silenced by a well-meaning moderator. [sarcasm](Hmm I wonder who?)[/sarcasm]

(EDIT: After all, it was the title that got the convo going in the first place)

LOL!!!! LOL!!!

[Caligula]

Another fox example for not using SDH


and it has closed captioned encoded on the disc.

[dialog_gvf]

We have what WE wanted since the PS/3 was released (DTS-HD MA decoding). So, now we should all back the movement for improved CC.

BD-Live perhaps offers a major opportunity. Those organizations supporting the deaf could be recruited to do the various CCs needed (we are talking beyond American English, right?), and then make them available via BD-Live. This would be popular for a lot of people beyond the deaf, since this could introduce a lot more languages for those that don't understand English well.

How long is needed to create a good CC for a film? Is it the same as the lead time given reviewers of discs? If so, then everything could easily fall in place for the release day.

Gary

[Caligula]

dialog_gvf please check ur pm! thanks!!

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by Caligula

Another fox example for not using SDH


and it has closed captioned encoded on the disc.

I have noticed this. I am not sure why they are using the CC symbol since I am unable to enable it. Unless they are referring to the SDH, which they should use the proper term for.

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by Banjo

I have noticed this. I am not sure why they are using the CC symbol since I am unable to enable it. Unless they are referring to the SDH, which they should use the proper term for.

we will find out when we insert the disc in PS3.. did you preorder the pack yet?

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by Caligula

we will find out when we insert the disc in PS3.. did you preorder the pack yet?

No, this appears on all of the Fox/MGM releases. I haven't tested it in the 480i mode through either RCA or component cables.

[wallendo]

This article may shed some light on the situation:
http://www.ce.org/PDF/CEA_Closed_Cap...April_2007.pdf


An interesting quote from the article:

However, in contrast to digital TV, there are no government mandates for packaged media to include captions, nor are there government mandates for media players to decode the captions.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by lildon24

I only use closed caption for watching tv and some does work with HD channels. But it doesnt work with through HDMI so i watch blu-ray and dvds with subtitles and thats all i need.. i doesnt do any sign languages... i was born with hearing loss and i can do anything like normal ppl but it just the only different that everyone is 100% for hearing and im just only 60% on my left ear and 55% on my left ear... Deaf ppl are totally deaf with 0% chance of hearing... so thats the reason why they does sign languages... well, i think it is important for deaf ppl for needing cc for blu-ray but i thought subtitles was good enough for deaf but it is good enough for me.

Anyway, i been waiting on DTS-HD for a very long time cause i been a fan of DTS back in 2003 and i am ready for the update.

I believe HD Broadcast or whatever company that created HDMI must work on CC before it is time for HD switch in 2009 cause i believe most cable boxes might have HDMI output but there is no way to see CC on HDMI, so they better get it start it.

I get CC just fine through HDMI... who is your provider?

[WickyWoo]

Subtitles and CC are often shortened for reading

The general rule for subbing is that someone should be able to read the subtitle twice before it goes off screen. I imagine the same goes for CC

If you're not getting the closed captions, then you should be calling your TV manufacturer. If it's listed as having captions, they should be on them. All major studio titles should have them

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Banjo

While DTS-HD MA is certainly important to some people here. You asked for it and Sony is going to deliver it. However, when we ask Sony to include subtitles or CC on special features on either DVD and Blu-ray, they just won't do it. :

not that I agree that it should be left out or considered a priority, but almost any company trying to make money is going to go for the mass appeal over what smaller groups of people would like, not that its a good thing but that is usually what happens im sure if they along with tv makers were getting non stop bombardment from 100's of thousands of people who are deaf/hearing impaired they would get right on it

its not a good thing but im sure they would say its just business

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by supersix4

not that I agree that it should be left out or considered a priority, but almost any company trying to make money is going to go for the mass appeal over what smaller groups of people would like, not that its a good thing but that is usually what happens im sure if they along with tv makers were getting non stop bombardment from 100's of thousands of people who are deaf/hearing impaired they would get right on it

its not a good thing but im sure they would say its just business

I suggest that you look up the costs of captioning a movie. I think you'll be surprised to see it's not as expensive as you would think. Not only that, it's also tax deductive.

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by supersix4

not that I agree that it should be left out or considered a priority, but almost any company trying to make money is going to go for the mass appeal over what smaller groups of people would like, not that its a good thing but that is usually what happens im sure if they along with tv makers were getting non stop bombardment from 100's of thousands of people who are deaf/hearing impaired they would get right on it

its not a good thing but im sure they would say its just business

Also, go to www.captioningsucks.com and you will learn a few things. There are 30 million Americans living with hearing loss plus millions more who aren't deaf use them anyway.

[punkguy03]

First off wow what a thread i just read alot of pages lol.Anyways im glad we're getting dts-hd ma.On another note sure we should definetely have cc so just write sony and keep talking it will come eventually.

Also was dts-hd needed?no was the ps3 needed?technically no its all just wants and needs and of course business.We demanded dts-hd and we got it keep demanding cc and im sure it will come.There prolly just getting the most demanded features out of the way first then the rest will come.

Good luck and i hope we get it.

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by Banjo

No, this appears on all of the Fox/MGM releases. I haven't tested it in the 480i mode through either RCA or component cables.

Correct!! Fox/Mgm used wrong Closed Captioned symbol as SDH.
They need correct before cause any more of confusion or anger when expect to use closed captioned instead.

I was relieved knowing AVP is sdh...

Lionsgate need to have SDH not english subtitle

[Maxell]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

First off wow what a thread i just read alot of pages lol.Anyways im glad we're getting dts-hd ma.On another note sure we should definetely have cc so just write sony and keep talking it will come eventually.

Also was dts-hd needed?no was the ps3 needed?technically no its all just wants and needs and of course business.We demanded dts-hd and we got it keep demanding cc and im sure it will come.There prolly just getting the most demanded features out of the way first then the rest will come.

Good luck and i hope we get it.

[ClaytonMG]

I actually use SDH sometimes to find out lyrics of songs in movies. I personally wish every movie had this as I am sure it's better for people who are deaf/hard of hearing, or even just in my case where you want to know song lyrics. I also use it sometimes when the volume is really low at night when everyone is sleeping. I am not for, however, CC, at least I don't think I am. I am pretty sure it doesn't work over HDMI/Component and since that's all I ever use, there doesn't seem to be much of a point. Where as if they created a standard for EVERY disc to have SDH, then there wouldn't be a problem.

But to me, this doesn't really have much to do with the PS3 getting DTS-HD. This has more to do with the Blu-Ray association setting up a standard for each disc to have SDH.