Indiana Jones 5

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by Deadset

I really enjoyed the movie...just in a different way than you. You see, when you post your emotions online, it's really glaring to see who the fanboy really is (since you brought it up). Also, my post was in response to yours saying the new Indy movie made more than the others...which is misleading due to inflation.

Enjoy your day.

My fanboy comment wasn't squarely directed at you. It is directed at the current trend towards deconstructing and attacking films that don't meet overinflated expectations. You can see it today in the Dark Knight Rises thread over a still photo.

Crystal Skull is by far not my favorite Indiana Jones film. Nor is it my favorite film from 2008. What is it is a fun adventure film that's relatively in keeping with the rest of the series. It is also unfairly maligned as adults are weighing it against their memory of the original films rather than the original films themselves.

It is an odd kind of fanboy thing to march into a thread for a possible new sequel and declare "the last one sucked, they should stop" when the numbers just don't agree with that perspective. It would be much more rational (if one must post) to stop by and say "you know, I really didn't care for the last one. I'm not enthusiastic about the idea that they'd be making another".

I'm on the side of "I had fun. I got my money's worth. And though I'd rather LeBuffy be busy in college offscreen, I'd probably pay to see another round".

[detective392]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

My fanboy comment wasn't squarely directed at you. It is directed at the current trend towards deconstructing and attacking films that don't meet overinflated expectations. You can see it today in the Dark Knight Rises thread over a still photo.

Crystal Skull is by far not my favorite Indiana Jones film. Nor is it my favorite film from 2008. What is it is a fun adventure film that's relatively in keeping with the rest of the series. It is also unfairly maligned as adults are weighing it against their memory of the original films rather than the original films themselves.

It is an odd kind of fanboy thing to march into a thread for a possible new sequel and declare "the last one sucked, they should stop" when the numbers just don't agree with that perspective. It would be much more rational (if one must post) to stop by and say "you know, I really didn't care for the last one. I'm not enthusiastic about the idea that they'd be making another".

I'm on the side of "I had fun. I got my money's worth. And though I'd rather LeBuffy be busy in college offscreen, I'd probably pay to see another round".

Couldn't agree more KoTCS wasn't my favorite Indy film but I had fun and enjoyed the hell out of it and want to see a 5th one for the same reason as I still find the series enjoyable and love the adventure and action it creates with each new entry.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

Interdimensional beings to be precise, and while it wouldn't have been my first choice, it connects very clearly to mayan myths, putting it squarely in the Indiana Jones wheelhouse. Indiana Jones has always blended adventure with archaeology and religious belief. It seems the preference has been towards the 2 Judeo/Christian stories.

I didn't mind using the aliens per se-- I agree that the way they were presented as gods to the Mayans made it a bit more Indy-ish. HOWEVER, I thought the problem with it is the story failed to make the aliens and the discovery of the "mcguffin" compelling.

Example-- We all know the importance of the relics being found in the other films-- the Ark of the Covenant contains the power of God, the Holy Grail give eternal life, and even the stone in Temple of Doom involved resurrecting an evil god, though that film was more about saving a village and rescuing enslaved children than finding the object.

But in KotCS, we don't know what the hell they're trying to find, or what finding it means exactly. What exactly is a crystal skull? What happens when you return it? All you know is it has something to do with treasure, then at the end you find out it was "knowledge." And the ending is also confusing-- where did they go? What the hell is the "space between spaces?"

And you can do your own research on crystal skulls (there was a very interesting special about it on the History Channel when the film was coming out) but none of it is ever explained properly in the movie, and without it the journey towards discovering all of it wasn't engaging at all. That's mainly what I didn't like about the movie.

[TylerDurden]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

I didn't mind using the aliens per se-- I agree that the way they were presented as gods to the Mayans made it a bit more Indy-ish. HOWEVER, I thought the problem with it is the story failed to make the aliens and the discovery of the "mcguffin" compelling.

Example-- We all know the importance of the relics being found in the other films-- the Ark of the Covenant contains the power of God, the Holy Grail give eternal life, and even the stone in Temple of Doom involved resurrecting an evil god, though that film was more about saving a village and rescuing enslaved children than finding the object.

But in KotCS, we don't know what the hell they're trying to find, or what finding it means exactly. What exactly is a crystal skull? What happens when you return it? All you know is it has something to do with treasure, then at the end you find out it was "knowledge." And the ending is also confusing-- where did they go? What the hell is the "space between spaces?"

And you can do your own research on crystal skulls (there was a very interesting special about it on the History Channel when the film was coming out) but none of it is ever explained properly in the movie, and without it the journey towards discovering all of it wasn't engaging at all. That's mainly what I didn't like about the movie.

I loved the idea of the crystal skulls being used as a plot device for an Indy movie. But then they added alien crystal skulls. There is no fossil evidence of alien crystal skulls. It's so childish to look at ancient human civilizations and say aliens did it. Would they say the same thing about the automobile? Or television? They would be wrong to do so and so are we.

[GunRanger]

Actually a part of the reason I like Indy 4 as much as I do, is that Indy is trying to put something back not find it. They have the skull, they're journey is to place it with the others.

What happens when you return it?

Before we find out what it does, I believe Indy said that whoever returned it would receive the powers it held.

[blonde_devil]

one thing to remember is that if they are following the serial style, you are going to have movies that miss a little. that's just the way it goes. not every sequel is going to be bigger and better than the last one. if it was, you would reach a point that no matter what you did, the movie would fail.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

I loved the idea of the crystal skulls being used as a plot device for an Indy movie. But then they added alien crystal skulls. There is no fossil evidence of alien crystal skulls. It's so childish to look at ancient human civilizations and say aliens did it. Would they say the same thing about the automobile? Or television? They would be wrong to do so and so are we.

It was just a hypothetical theory. I never got the complaints about aliens being in an Indiana Jones movie when we see men melting after opening the Ark, hearts being ripped out of people and still survive it, and knights being hundreds of years old. Do aliens seem so far fetched after the first three movies? Not at all.
That's not to say that the story didn't have its problems. Indy didn't have too much to do, there were too many characters, and most of those were not memorable enough. And of course the weak villain. Having a Russian female villain was an interesting hook (the stereotypical accent was just mandatory if you take the 50's genre movies the movie was referencing), but she wasn't interesting enough. Another pass at the script, and George Lucas and Steven Spielberg actually being on the same page in terms of the direction of the movie would have done wonders, I think.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by GunRanger

Actually a part of the reason I like Indy 4 as much as I do, is that Indy is trying to put something back not find it. They have the skull, they're journey is to place it with the others.



Before we find out what it does, I believe Indy said that whoever returned it would receive the powers it held.

But that's what I mean-- it's so vague. We know what the other relics are and the stakes involved, but this one we don't really. And even if you don't know the exact details, with a little tweaking to the story, there could have been an interesting mystery there. Usually, the Indy movies (mostly I and III) have a lot of anticipation and excitement that build up when Indy gets close to finding what he's looking for, but IMO it didn't really happen in this one because I didn't know the significance of the skull or anything about where they were returning it to or what might happen once they do, other than some vague notions of "power" or "treasure"."

The other thing I thought that made this less interesting is the use of the skull itself. It kind of acts as a multi-purpose get-out-of-jail free card. For example, when they're faced with the killer ants, the skull send vibrations out to steer the ants away. Well, that's okay I guess. But then they run into natives guarding the alien temple and are captured-- how are they going to get out of this?! Oh, they pull the skull out and the natives run away. How about that huge door at the end? It'll be interesting to see Indy figure out how to get passed the door right? Kind of like how he had to figure out the booby traps in Last Crusade or something? But, oh, no, they just hold up the skull to the door and it opens. Woo hoo.

If it sounds like a hated the movie like a lot of people, I didn't. There's also a lot of things I liked in the film, but overall it was a heavily flawed film that didn't do the return of Indy the justice it deserved. I'm sure of a lot of it had to do with the years and years of script and concept rewrites. I'm hoping if they come up with something new from scratch and just DO IT, they can make a much better fifth film.

[rdm5777]

Wasn't the ark ultimately a big get out of jail free card as well?

[GunRanger]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

But that's what I mean-- it's so vague. We know what the other relics are and the stakes involved, but this one we don't really. And even if you don't know the exact details, with a little tweaking to the story, there could have been an interesting mystery there. Usually, the Indy movies (mostly I and III) have a lot of anticipation and excitement that build up when Indy gets close to finding what he's looking for, but IMO it didn't really happen in this one because I didn't know the significance of the skull or anything about where they were returning it to or what might happen once they do, other than some vague notions of "power" or "treasure"."

Well, the mystery as to what the powers was is the point. I think a lot of the confusion around the Crystal Skulls, is that it's something not a lot of people know about. Most people thought they completely made it up, when they didn't. Compared to the ark or the cup of Christ, those two are so well known, the audience has a reference point they can hold on to throughout.

I didn't mind the skull being used to do things. It's different than the artifacts in the way Indy actually uses it on purpose throughout the movie. Honestly, I liked Indy 4 the best out of all the sequels. My only real complaint with it, was the lack of a set-pieces in the final hour or so. I wasn't bored, just that there wasn't enough action. The first hour had a lot of great stuff, but then it kind of mellowed out.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by rdm5777

Wasn't the ark ultimately a big get out of jail free card as well?

Maybe at the very end, but not multiple times throughout the last 45 minutes of the film.

[Offender_Mullet]

Looks like Mr. Ford agrees with some of us.

On Indy 5: Ford said he loves the character and would definitely do it again, “But I ain’t gonna go to Mars!” he said. There was a bit of light ribbing on Crystal Skull tonight, which made me happy.

Link: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51176

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

Looks like Mr. Ford agrees with some of us.

Shocker... AICN is wrong again.

That was actually aimed at Cowboys and Aliens which was a massive box office bomb.

[Offender_Mullet]

Oh son of a b! Damn that site. This is why I rarely quote them. I hope the quote about the upcoming E.T. blu-ray I posted wasn't b.s. too. Must stick with Garth @ DarkHorizons. Never has put out crappy articles.

Edit: Wait Beast, are you sure? ScreenRant has the same quote, but longer.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Beast

Shocker... AICN is wrong again.

That was actually aimed at Cowboys and Aliens which was a massive box office bomb.

Wouldn't it technically be a dig at both, I don't really see the connection between Cowboys and Aliens and Indy 5 over the better, more logical connection of Indy 4 and Indy 5

[X400]

was hoping for some actual news



dont get the h8 over kotcs i liked it very much

the only thing i couldn't believe is the movie is a ripoff of the HK film Magic Crystal (1986)
i think i made a post/topic about it in one of the countless other threads

other than that it was a good movie the worst of the 4 but not to imply that its bad

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

Looks like Mr. Ford agrees with some of us.
On Indy 5: Ford said he loves the character and would definitely do it again, “But I ain’t gonna go to Mars!” he said. There was a bit of light ribbing on Crystal Skull tonight, which made me happy.

You had it right, Ford was talking about Indiana Jones.

"Maybe Indy V," Ford said. "But I ain't going to Mars!" Much laughter ensued.

Ford went on to express great appreciation for the character and his experiences making all four Indiana Jones adventures, sounding very keen on wearing the fedora again. "Next time I get a script for Indiana Jones, I'd be delighted to play the character again."

[Offender_Mullet]

Thank you sir.

[IndyMLVC]

Harrison was interviewed on GMA this morning. He said that GL is working on "one or two different ideas" at this point and he'd love to do it again.

[Kirk Out]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Harrison was interviewed on GMA this morning. He said that GL is working on "one or two different ideas" at this point and he'd love to do it again.

awesome news