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Old 08-21-2013, 05:55 PM   #81221
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I'm saving you nearly three hours of pain, as I remember it being THE only funny, witty, or remotely "subtle" (with Gilliam, the quotes are necessary) gag in the entire movie.
I like Gilliam from what I've seen.
Plus I like him for this.
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Old 08-21-2013, 05:58 PM   #81222
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*raises hand* I like Brazil
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:04 PM   #81223
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I'm saving you nearly three hours of pain, as I remember it being THE only funny, witty, or remotely "subtle" (with Gilliam, the quotes are necessary) gag in the entire movie.
Brazil was indeed painful to watch. I sold my Criterion blu a couple of days after watching it.

Easily my worst blind buy.
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:22 PM   #81224
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Brazil was indeed painful to watch. I sold my Criterion blu a couple of days after watching it.

Easily my worst blind buy.
Yeah, I'm really glad that I borrowed it from my local library before even thinking about purchasing it; I'm just not a fan of it.
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:24 PM   #81225
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Brazil was indeed painful to watch. I sold my Criterion blu a couple of days after watching it.

Easily my worst blind buy.
And yet someone has said that it was their favorite film of all time. That's a big difference in opinion
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:24 PM   #81226
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Brazil was indeed painful to watch. I sold my Criterion blu a couple of days after watching it.

Easily my worst blind buy.
I saw Brazil on a big theater screen during college. It was a visually spectacular affair, but I did not quite "get" the film.

I keep meaning to give it a second chance, but there's always something else that I want to watch even more.
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:26 PM   #81227
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And yet someone has said that it was their favorite film of all time. That's a big difference in opinion
Yeah, I would like know what irks some people about Brazil, I didn't find anything wrong with it at all. Is it just the "quirkiness", the eccentric nature of it?
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:27 PM   #81228
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I keep meaning to give it a second chance, but there's always something else that I want to watch even more.
Oblivion?

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Old 08-21-2013, 06:31 PM   #81229
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I purchased Brazil blind based on so many great reviews. For me, it is a very dated film, which is always the risk I guess for a movie that is set in the future. I have sat down 3 times now to try to finish it and I just can't. It just does nothing for me at all.
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:33 PM   #81230
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Criterion has outdone themselves once again...



I love the original series of The Twilight Zone, and I also have a fondness for the stark bleakness of dystopian movies from the late 1960s or early 1970s, like Planet of the Apes or The Omega Man. As such, my spider sense was triggered by the announcement of a Criterion release for the 1966 John Frankenheimer film, Seconds. The difference between Seconds and the aforementioned dystopian movies of the era, however, is that this film uses a seemingly futuristic premise to show us a close and personal crisis within one person's mind by way of claustrophobic camerawork, instead of depicting the vast devastation of an entire world gone wrong. It is easier for one to cope with the wasteland of a destroyed world than it is for one to cope with the mental emptiness of one's self. Frankenheimer's nightmarish tale turns the tables on middle-age society's ongoing preoccupation with fulfillment and self-realization through prolonged youth, and serves as an uncannily eerie premonition of our present world, where plastic surgery is commonplace and where prime time television commercials advertise antidepressant medications by showing happy birds on sunny windowsills to reassure us that they will make everything wonderful.

Seconds introduces us to a middle-aged banker named Arthur Hamilton, who drifts through his burned out shell of a life by going through the expected motions without enthusiasm. Cinematographer James Wong Howe , whose brilliant work can also be seen in the Criterion Collection title, Sweet Smell of Success, places the camera uncomfortably close to Hamilton during lingering scenes that purposely overstay their welcome to give us a firsthand feel for Hamilton's bored listlessness. When Hamilton is introduced to a company that promises him a second chance at life by surgically reinventing him as an entirely new person with a different career and even a different past, he undergoes a series of disturbingly-depicted operations to emerge as an attractive younger man with the new alias of "Tony Wilson." Tony Wilson is guided into his fascinating makeshift existence to flourish and escape from his past, but the viewer wonders if escape is possible when the mind is still unchanged inside the perfect new body.

When I watched Seconds for the first time this week, the film affected me on a personal level. Several years ago, I was morbidly obese at a weight of roughly 400 pounds, but lost 185 pounds over the course of a year by changing my diet and by working out with a trainer. My own real-life alteration has fortunately yielded happier results than those depicted in Frankenheimer's film, but I still struggle with the plight of my same mind and persona living inside a different body, and I still feel uncomfortable in my own skin to an extent. I related to the malaise of Arther Hamilton, played wonderfully by John Randolph, but I also related to the frantic unease of Hamilton's new persona, Tony Wilson, who is played with stunning effectiveness by the iconic 1960s leading man, Rock Hudson. Rock Hudson is quite believable in the role as he accurately mimics John Randolph's mannerisms from earlier in the film, and we never lose sight of the fact that he is still John Randolph's character on the inside.

Seconds is not a pleasant film to watch, and, despite James Wong Howe's jarring handheld camera styles, the black-and-white images and slow pace give us a false assurance that the final result will be less disturbing than it actually is. Seconds makes us ill at ease with the reminder that many of us are not living a life that we imagined living when we were younger, and, even worse, it makes us wonder what our dreams really are and whether or not our dreams are substantially valid even to ourselves. Just as in present-day, most people in the 1960s wanted to see movies that made them feel good, and Seconds received a somewhat less-than-stellar reception in theaters at the time. Those of us with an affinity for bleak, but truthful, cinema can find a lot to enjoy with this film, though, and Criterion is to be applauded for bringing it out of obscurity. Like me, most observant moviegoers will predict the conclusion early in the film, but Seconds is no less harrowing or intense in its journey full of discomforting sequences from which we somehow cannot look away. I have tried my best to present a review that does not rely on spoilers, but Seconds has "This will not end well." written all over it from the opening credits onward, and there is no mistake about where a viewer will be traveling on this cinematic pathway.

The video presentation of this Criterion Blu-ray is a home run, and this black-and-white movie looks perfect to my eyes. The audio quality is also without fault, but this may be just as much of a curse as a blessing, as anyone who hears certain sound effects in the final moments will undoubtedly agree. A series of short, but informative supplements are icing on this bleak cake, but John Frankenheimer's interesting commentary track is the main special feature attraction.
This was an excellent review. Maybe you should become a critic for this website.
Also, have you read Fahrenheit 451? It's a great, bleak dystopian novel that I think everyone should read. It's descriptions are well crafted, and I like how it dives into the lead character's psyche.That said, I'm assuming you have.
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Oblivion?
Damn straight!
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This was an excellent review. Maybe you should become a critic for this website.
Also, have you read Fahrenheit 451? It's a great, bleak dystopian novel that I think everyone should read. It's descriptions are well crafted, and I like how it dives into the lead character's psyche.That said, I'm assuming you have.
Thanks! I have read Fahrenheit 451 a few times, and I love that novel dearly. I saw the 1966 François Truffaut adaptation many years ago, and need to revisit it as well.
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:54 PM   #81233
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I purchased Brazil blind based on so many great reviews. For me, it is a very dated film, which is always the risk I guess for a movie that is set in the future. I have sat down 3 times now to try to finish it and I just can't. It just does nothing for me at all.
Thankfully, I rented Brazil years ago. Never came close to having the urge to buy it. Not my cup of tea at all.
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Yeah, I would like know what irks some people about Brazil, I didn't find anything wrong with it at all. Is it just the "quirkiness", the eccentric nature of it?
It's that Gilliam thinks he's a lot more "satirical" than he actually is, just because he can make his production design look like his old cavernous-cathedral Python toons.
I remember seeing in the theater, and in the scene where the restaurant waiter is annoyed because Sam isn't ordering by number, I could actually hear some audience mutters around me of "Oh, bro-ther! !"
Either you liked Time Bandits because of the neato kids-fantasy, and found the "Materialistic suburban satire" opening painfully forced, or, like Gilliam, you thought Time Bandits was this entire cynical Vonnegut-like satire from start to finish--But if it's the former, then you probably gritted your teeth through most of Baron Munchhausen as well, and wished that one could've thought it was a little less clever.

Brazil had amassed this huge "martyr" reputation by the time it opened for Universal burying/editing the movie, which made us all want to cuddle, embrace, and reassure it as "art", but even Siskel & Ebert panned the film for too much money spent on too little wit.
(In re the desk: "I was reminded of a Chaplin film, 'Modern Times,' and reminded, too, that in Chaplin economy and simplicity were virtues, not the enemy."

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Old 08-21-2013, 07:33 PM   #81235
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Thanks! I have read Fahrenheit 451 a few times, and I love that novel dearly. I saw the 1966 François Truffaut adaptation many years ago, and need to revisit it as well.
This is the first time I ever read the book, and I'm thinking about watching the film to compare and contrast among the book and movie. It's also one of the few times I've seen an author like the movie adaption instead of pan it (e.g. Roald Dahl and Willy Wonka, Stephen King and the Shining)
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Old 08-21-2013, 07:41 PM   #81236
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Could use some more Mike Leigh in the collection. Secrets & Lies and All or Nothing would be my top choices. I should also mention that Timothy Spall is my favorite actor.
Yeah, I agree. More Leigh.
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Yes, I just watched LIFE IS SWEET last month and it's truly wonderful. Not Criterion, but I just watched ANOTHER YEAR the other night, and it likewise is amazing, with incredibly powerful performances. Mike Leigh is a treasure, and I hope he continues making films for a long time to come.
Another Year has turned into a favorite of mine. I find the film very powerful; which is remarkable because the film is so low-key. The subtle delivery of the dialog has real power behind it. Most films have to play it big with the acting and have emotional outbursts but the actors and Mike Leigh keep it real. The last shot of the film is as powerful as you can get.
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This is the first time I ever read the book, and I'm thinking about watching the film to compare and contrast among the book and movie. It's also one of the few times I've seen an author like the movie adaption instead of pan it (e.g. Roald Dahl and Willy Wonka, Stephen King and the Shining)
This reminds me. Stephen King is publishing new novel next month, Doctor Sleep. The book is about Danny Torrance, the boy from The Shining, as an adult.

I'm planning to re-read my copy of The Shining, because it's been a couple of decades since I last read that book, and I'd like it fresh in my mind when I read Doctor Sleep.
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:45 PM   #81239
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Just watched Playtime. My, what an absolute joy that was. An immensely entertaining and rich film. I felt like I was missing so much of what was going on. Feel like I need to see it again to spot all of the little things going on in the corner of the screen.

Some of the greatest mise-en-scene in all of cinema.
I agree. Probably the most impressive and amazing production design I've ever witnessed on film. I mean, they literally built an entire city with skyscrapers just for this movie! (well, the buildings were only one dimensional with fake windows but they were still pretty tall).

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I like Gilliam from what I've seen.

Plus I like him for this.
Yes, yes. Great points on Kubrick vs. Spielberg. Although its funny how Kubrick trusted Spielberg in making AI, so I guess opposites can attract sometimes (the deep, mysterious Kubrick vs. the shallow, straightforward Spielberg).

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I saw Brazil on a big theater screen during college. It was a visually spectacular affair, but I did not quite "get" the film.

I keep meaning to give it a second chance, but there's always something else that I want to watch even more.
Brazil is a film that I still cannot figure out after all these years, but upon another viewing a few months ago, I enjoyed certain parts of the film. Still, I can understand how so many people just "don't get it" because it is so quirky and eccentric, mixing mostly fantasy and a bit of mythology with a drop of science fiction. It's truly a hybrid film.
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I don't get Godard films but I get Brazil, at least for the most part. I think that, while it does fall apart a little bit, it's a great satire on culture and the world as a whole.
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