Pioneer 9G Owners Thread - Present & Future

[agoofykindasuperman]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

For Pioneer PDP-5020FD, PDP-6020FD, PRO-111FD & PRO-151FD

Firmware Update Instructions

Firmware Upgrade

Was there an update for the PRO-141FD monitor model? I've never updated my firmware either.

[TheFactor]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

For Pioneer PDP-5020FD, PDP-6020FD, PRO-111FD & PRO-151FD

Firmware Update Instructions

Firmware Upgrade

Thanks for the links !! Anyone know what the updates are suppose to correct or address ? Mine works perfectly for what I use it for and hate to fix something that's not broken lol .

[saprano]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

Hi...

I'm thinking of selling my Pioneer Elite Kuro 151FD 60" inch plasma.

I bought it around end of 2010/Jan 2011 from Natural Sound:
http://www.natural-sound.com/

It's excellent condition, not used often. Sometimes I'll go almost a month without turning it on. It's not an everyday tv. Rarely do I ever watch letterbox format. It's been hooked up to a SurgeX XF2 flatpak surge protector. No scratches, no nothing.

What can I get for it on Amazon, ebay, craigslist and on these forum websites?

I'm located in Massachusetts, an hour west of Boston and 25 minutes north or Worcester.

I have the box and manuals.

I'm guessing you have a projector is the reason you don't use it often?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by TheFactor

Thanks for the links !! Anyone know what the updates are suppose to correct or address ? Mine works perfectly for what I use it for and hate to fix something that's not broken lol .

I do not remember for sure, I would need to search older threads. I thought the firmware update fixed minor bugs and updated the tuner (or at least reset the internal tuner after the firmware update).

Since I use a 60 inch PRO-141FD and 50 inch PRO-101FD monitor the firmware update is not for those models. I hope in the future Home Theater magazine does a head to head testing of the new LG OLED 55 inch model that is currently selling at Best Buy. Home Theater magazine still uses the Pioneer PRO-141FD as a reference display to compare all other flat panels too. The 2008 60 inch Pioneer PRO-141FD looks like a bargain with a list price of $7,000, when compared to the new 55 inch LG for $14,999. I wish Pioneer would surprise everyone and come out with a QUAD HD 4K OLED in 3 or 4 years from now. It would give me an excuse to upgrade my displays.

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by saprano

I'm guessing you have a projector is the reason you don't use it often?

Nope. No projector. Only projector we ever had is like from the 1970's that plays old family reel film movies.

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I do not remember for sure, I would need to search older threads. I thought the firmware update fixed minor bugs and updated the tuner (or at least reset the internal tuner after the firmware update).

Since I use a 60 inch PRO-141FD and 50 inch PRO-101FD monitor the firmware update is not for those models. I hope in the future Home Theater magazine does a head to head testing of the new LG OLED 55 inch model that is currently selling at Best Buy. Home Theater magazine still uses the Pioneer PRO-141FD as a reference display to compare all other flat panels too. The 2008 60 inch Pioneer PRO-141FD looks like a bargain with a list price of $7,000, when compared to the new 55 inch LG for $14,999. I wish Pioneer would surprise everyone and come out with a QUAD HD 4K OLED in 3 or 4 years from now. It would give me an excuse to upgrade my displays.

When did Pioneer release this firmware for the 151FD? I was sent a USB firmware update but this one is like 4 years old.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

When did Pioneer release this firmware for the 151FD? I was sent a USB firmware update but this one is like 4 years old.

According to the documentation for the firmware, the date on the documentation is 02/23/2011.

Firmware Update Instructions

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by saprano

I'm guessing you have a projector is the reason you don't use it often?

I might sometime in 2016-2018, upgrade my Pioneer plasmas to 4K QUAD HD OLED models. The two current 55 inch OLED models on the USA market are only 1080P. At 55 inches that is good for a bedroom TV. It would be ideal one day to have a 4K optical format connected to a 90-100+ inch 4K OLED display. If low cost OLED screens that are 100-150 inches are made in the far future then the demand for projectors will greatly decrease.

[lokir1]

Originally Posted by TheFactor

Thanks for the links !! Anyone know what the updates are suppose to correct or address ? Mine works perfectly for what I use it for and hate to fix something that's not broken lol .

i remember installing and updating this on 151 the only real thing it did was update the ota tuner which was super slow when changing channels n
after the update it became noticeably faster to actually show what was on channel 9.1 etc than it used to outside of that i dont think it addressed anything else

[pingis]

Hey, thinking about selling my pro-111fd. Not really using it much and was wondering what would be a fair price to ask for it? Amazing condition but don't have the box.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by pingis

Hey, thinking about selling my pro-111fd. Not really using it much and was wondering what would be a fair price to ask for it? Amazing condition but don't have the box.

About $1,000. Selling a plasma these days is kind of difficult sometimes. Also, if you're selling locally, you don't need the box.

[HDTV1080P]

The following Sound and Vision magazine link is a very interesting read for those that own the 9th generation Pioneer plasma screens that were released in 2008 and that went out of production in April of 2009. Tom Norton performed head to head testing by comparing the reference Pioneer PRO-141FD to the Panasonic ZT60 series. The new 2013 ZT60 series overall matches the picture quality on the 2008 Pioneer PRO-141FD. For some scenes, the Pioneer had a better picture quality and for other scenes the Panasonic ZT60 was better. Overall, in key areas Panasonic engineers have been able to match the 2008 Pioneer plasma technology for the first time. The 2013 ZT60 is special since it is the first Panasonic plasma that eliminates the air gap between the panel and the protective glass. This feature was exclusively only found on Pioneer plasma screens until the ZT60 arrived.

This information is good news for Pioneer owners for two reasons:

1. It shows that for the last 5 years that Pioneer held the best overall 2-D 1080P picture quality that no other flat panel could match. Now the ZT60 matches the Pioneer picture and OLED surpasses the picture quality.

2. Now if someone’s Pioneer plasma were to break the ZT60 would be an ideal replacement for those that do not want to upgrade to OLED.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/panasonic-tc-p65zt60-3d-plasma-hdtv

[qwknuf6]

D-Nice calibrated my Pioneer 101 and 151

I have taken the #s from the calibration report and came up with contrast ratio for each panel , day and night mode

Pioneer 101 contrast ratio day mode...... 254,640:1
contrast ratio night mode ....155,103:1

Pioneer 151 contrast ratio day mode ......72,833:1
contrast ratio night mode.....55,944:1

***ZT-60 has contrast ratio of 30,000:1 ***

Peak Light output for the 101 is 50.9 with MLL of .0002

Peak Light output for the 151 is 43.7 with MLL of .0006

Light output for night is 31 and 33

Colors are dead on , PQ is amazing

[HDTV1080P]

Gwknuf6, thanks for the calibration reports. The PRO-101FD has some very good results. Even though CNET and Sound and Vision did head to head testing which confirmed that in some key areas the ZT60 matches the 9th generation Pioneers. I noticed that other comments by Sound and Vision magazine and by others mentioned that for real world material in some movie scenes the Pioneer PRO-141FD had a better picture quality compared to the Panasonic ZT60 series. The good news is Panasonic keeps making improvements every year or almost every year when it comes to plasma technology. I never thought that when I purchased the Pioneer plasma screens that they would be used as reference displays for at least 5 years. I am in shock that it’s been 5 years and most professional reviewers are still mentioning the 2008 model Pioneer plasmas as a reference.

Personally, I and the family members I know have no plans on selling the several PRO-141FD’s and several PRO-101FD’s. 55 inch 1080P OLED is a little small compared to a 60 inch screen. I am looking at upgrading the Pioneer screens in 2018. By 2018 4K QUAD OLED screens that are 90-100 inches should in theory be available to play on the new 4K QUAD HD optical format which I am estimating will launch in 2016+.

[ControlCAL]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The following Sound and Vision magazine link is a very interesting read for those that own the 9th generation Pioneer plasma screens that were released in 2008 and that went out of production in April of 2009. Tom Norton performed head to head testing by comparing the reference Pioneer PRO-141FD to the Panasonic ZT60 series. The new 2013 ZT60 series overall matches the picture quality on the 2008 Pioneer PRO-141FD. For some scenes, the Pioneer had a better picture quality and for other scenes the Panasonic ZT60 was better. Overall, in key areas Panasonic engineers have been able to match the 2008 Pioneer plasma technology for the first time. The 2013 ZT60 is special since it is the first Panasonic plasma that eliminates the air gap between the panel and the protective glass. This feature was exclusively only found on Pioneer plasma screens until the ZT60 arrived.

This information is good news for Pioneer owners for two reasons:

1. It shows that for the last 5 years that Pioneer held the best overall 2-D 1080P picture quality that no other flat panel could match. Now the ZT60 matches the Pioneer picture and OLED surpasses the picture quality.

2. Now if someone’s Pioneer plasma were to break the ZT60 would be an ideal replacement for those that do not want to upgrade to OLED.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/panasonic-tc-p65zt60-3d-plasma-hdtv

It doesn't look like that PRO-141FD's ISFccc Interface was calibrated which uses a different template base vs Pure (or any other AV Selection).

Optimal calibration performance is with a proper calibrated ISFccc Interface on the PRO-141FD.

The other thing I don't see is what reference spectrometer was used to profile the "newly-acquired" Klein K-10 to each display.

.

[saprano]

Tom's black level is different too. His first review of his 141 measured 0.001. Now it's 0.0015. He now has the red tint also. Kuros are still darker than the VT/ZT at 0.001 vs 0.0012.

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by saprano

Tom's black level is different too. His first review of his 141 measured 0.001. Now it's 0.0015. He now has the red tint also. Kuros are still darker than the VT/ZT at 0.001 vs 0.0012.

I have a feeling that next years VT/ZT's will match (if not surpass if possible) the Kuro's black levels. If next years Panasonic plasma line will be their last (should all the rumors be true), it would be one hell of a way for Panasonic's plasma line to go out on.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

I have a feeling that next years VT/ZT's will match (if not surpass if possible) the Kuro's black levels. If next years Panasonic plasma line will be their last (should all the rumors be true), it would be one hell of a way for Panasonic's plasma line to go out on.

I wouldn't expect anything dramatic from Panasonic.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

I have a feeling that next years VT/ZT's will match (if not surpass if possible) the Kuro's black levels. If next years Panasonic plasma line will be their last (should all the rumors be true), it would be one hell of a way for Panasonic's plasma line to go out on.

Still have to beat the 9.5G's which are 0.0005. Pioneer was ahead of everybody in 2008.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

I have a feeling that next years VT/ZT's will match (if not surpass if possible) the Kuro's black levels. If next years Panasonic plasma line will be their last (should all the rumors be true), it would be one hell of a way for Panasonic's plasma line to go out on.

No doubt, and when we watched that black and white torture scene at the shootout last May even then it was with the utmost of nitpickingness that we had to give the ever-so-slightest of nods to the Kuro. Outside of that one torture scene demonstration and the grey scale test pattern the rest was easily a wash.

I really hope I can attend next year's event again, I believe Robert was trying to get an OLED this year for it but no doubt there will be one there next year I'm sure.