DLP vs. SXRD...Which Is Better?

[nhaase]

With forum posting one can't really put across their demeanor, but I was calm the whole time. Reading it now, I can see how you thought I was incensed, but I was calm.

I've never heard the argument of wearing glasses will make you see rainbows. When vision comes into the argument, I've always heard it the other way, where having glasses would mean you have a lower chance of seeing rainbows, so we're in agreement there.

For the CRT TVs, on SD TVs I can see the alternating black lines on some at all times.

For my jet example, it has to do w/ the speed of the object. I gave that example since most rainbow effect occurances usually happen with fast moving objects in high contrast to their background. A good example of when I've seen this is during Return of the Jedi on DVD. I know this is just SD DVD, but during the light saber fight between Darth Vader and Luke, and most of the faster shots of the space dogfights, I see nothing but rainbows (not literally, but I see many). So I gave the jet example because of the fast moving objects, because the rainbow is brought by being able to discern the colors of the motion with the fast moving objects. Also, humans generally blackout at about 9 G's, so 8+ G's means you may be screwed. The G forces don't matter with vision, they effect blood to the brain. Negative G's just cause red-out; people have been shown to withstand up to 35-40 negative G's.

Once again, in the words of the great Walter Sobchak, "I'm perfectly calm dude."

[clyon]

Okdoky

At 8+ g's one will also loss their glasses, unless you duck tape them to your head.

Just a little curious, did you not know that you see rainbows before you got the tv or some else pick the tv up? I know, at lease at BB & CC here, the stuff they pick for on the screen demos are 'slow' & I am sure many people get burned when they get home. For me, I knew that I see the B&W line on the crt & the demos at BB did not show fast moving stuff, so I skipped over the DLP's, just incase & got the sxrd.

Anyone else here that see 'rainbows' also see B&W lines on CRT's?

Anyway, both samsung & sony, I think, make the best TV's (LCD's & RP). They both have their problems, but what tv doesn't?

FYI I am a girl

[nhaase]

It's my mom's TV, it was at a good price, and my mom can't see the rainbows, so it's good for her. Since I'm the only one who watches it who sees rainbows, and I can only go home for holidays, I don't mind the inconvenience for the time I'm home. It's just that if it were mine I would be too distracted to enjoy a movie. I bought the LCoS because I knew I would see rainbows, and my TV was on sale.

I do like Sony and Samsung TVs. I've got a JVC, and I love it. It was a hard choice between the Sony and JVC for me, I spent about 2 full days researching them, because most of my graduation money was going towards that purchase.

As for being a girl, do you have your cooties shot?! I ask because someone said you can transmit that through the internet . Your signature is pretty insane, all women I know just say they have a tv "about this big" (hold their arms out), and they would have no clue what any of the equip. on your signature is.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by GasCat

Can't you turn off the wobulation? I believe I read that in the Samsung thread at AVS.

If wobulation could be turned off (it can't), you would only have one side of the screen with a picture on it and it wouldn't be 1080p.

What happens when a Wii nunchuk smashes into the DLP set vs. the LCOS set? Which is cheaper to repair? I bet you could ruin a LCOS screen before a DLP screen. (Not that I will test that out.)

DLP would have more parts to repair. It would be the screen and at least the mirror box. SXRD it would most likely be just the screen.

Which set consumes more electricity? I would think the LCOS does. There is a "green" factor out there. (Just throwing it out there.)

Probably DLP consumes more power (depending on lamp wattage). It has more moving parts that needs constant power.

Is this statement true?
"With DLP you get a much larger screen at a cheaper price."
If true, bigger is better for many people.

Out of space (PS3)

[clyon]

Originally Posted by nhaase

As for being a girl, do you have your cooties shot?! I ask because someone said you can transmit that through the internet . Your signature is pretty insane, all women I know just say they have a tv "about this big" (hold their arms out), and they would have no clue what any of the equip. on your signature is.

I will have to call my Doc

When I was in college a few years ago I studied IT (3rd in class of 42), HTML, Nuclear science, Spectrography (light waves), Acoustics (sound waves) & Astronomy.

JVC is a good tv too. It is over looked to much.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by clyon

I will have to call my Doc

When I was in college a few years ago I studied IT (3rd in class of 42), HTML, Nuclear science, Spectrography (light waves), Acoustics (sound waves) & Astronomy.

JVC is a good tv too. It is over looked to much.

Is it me or is it gettin' hot in here?

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by nhaase

I looked at them a few times at Best Buy when they first came out, just to see them, but haven't paid too much attention to them, I've read they still have problems with the black levels. I don't think DLP sets are horrible or anything, I just like LCoS better right now (so I look at those sets more), and looking at TVs makes me want to spend money, which isn't always a good thing .

I'll have to go to another store to look at them, since you can't judge a TV buy its appearance on BBuy's floor, since anyone can grab the remote and mess w/ the settings.

I find you home theatres don't show tvs very well and it isn't always people with remotes

[nhaase]

Originally Posted by clyon

I will have to call my Doc

When I was in college a few years ago I studied IT (3rd in class of 42), HTML, Nuclear science, Spectrography (light waves), Acoustics (sound waves) & Astronomy.

JVC is a good tv too. It is over looked to much.

To be anal retentive, the common word for studying light waves that I encounter is spectroscopy. I'm a physical chemist, so lasers are becoming my life.

As for JVC, I agree; I like their ad in magazines stating, "When we saw that NASA mission control uses our HD-ILA for their large displays, we thought, 'hey, this would be great for the football game.'" It is.

[Blackraven]

Both of them are damn heavy and have really fat asses.

I wouldn't even consider any of those sets.

The only way that my mind may change is if Sony equips their SXRD tech with the Laser TV technology (uses laser beams).

Until they do that, I won't even consider buying these oversized mammoths.

At the moment, my money is on OLED TV and it looks like it will be

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

Both of them are damn heavy and have really fat asses.

I wouldn't even consider any of those sets.

The only way that my mind may change is if Sony equips their SXRD tech with the Laser TV technology (uses laser beams).

Until they do that, I won't even consider buying these oversized mammoths.

At the moment, my money is on OLED TV and it looks like it will be

What are you talking about? I have a flat Sony SXRD and it isn't heavy at all and the "ass" certainly isn't fat. Also looks better than anything else currently on the market.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

I have both DLP and SXRD sets at home. The Sony SXRD is far better although the Samsung DLP looks very good too.

[nhaase]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

Both of them are damn heavy and have really fat asses.

I wouldn't even consider any of those sets.

The only way that my mind may change is if Sony equips their SXRD tech with the Laser TV technology (uses laser beams).

Until they do that, I won't even consider buying these oversized mammoths.

At the moment, my money is on OLED TV and it looks like it will be

My TV is something like 75 lbs. My mom's DLP is about the same, and I carried the box myself. The only reason I couldn't carry mine myself was that the box for the 56" screen was too big for me to get my arms around.

Are you thinking of CRT projection TVs, because SXRDs and DLPs are not heavy at all.

You money might be on OLED TV, but that's gonna take a while. I like OLED, but Sony's 11" screen shows how far off the bigger ones are. It will be great, but it's gonna take some time.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by nhaase

My TV is something like 75 lbs. My mom's DLP is about the same, and I carried the box myself. The only reason I couldn't carry mine myself was that the box for the 56" screen was too big for me to get my arms around.

Are you thinking of CRT projection TVs, because SXRDs and DLPs are not heavy at all.

You money might be on OLED TV, but that's gonna take a while. I like OLED, but Sony's 11" screen shows how far off the bigger ones are. It will be great, but it's gonna take some time.

I totally agree. Plasmas and LCDs of equal screen size generally weigh more than their DLP (and sometimes LCoS) counterparts.

[GTP]

I am no expert on floor displays...but have yet to see a DLP floor model that impressed me.
As far as SXRD vs DLP projectors....DLP looks more detailed and sharp...with SXRD looking flatter IMO.

[HDTV1080P]

One of the best front projectors is the $250,000 Runco SC-1. It uses 3 chip DLP to completely eliminate rainbows. I wish manufactories could figure out a way to make a 3 chip DLP rear projector and DLP front projectors for under $10,000. I would never purchase a DLP unless it used 3 separate chips for red, green, and blue. Some people are always going to see rainbows on single chip DLP projectors. According to some reviews in magazines the Samsung single chip DLP has a slightly better picture compared to the JVC and Sony LCOS sets. Personal I would go with a JVC LCOS over a single chip DLP. The reason Sony and JVC LCOS projectors do not have rainbow problems is because they use 3 chip LCOS technology. Perhaps one day low cost 3 chip DLP projectors will become a reality.

Here is a link to one of the best 3 chip DLP projectors on the market. For $250,000 this projector is for a multimillionaire with a million dollar home theater room.

http://www.runco.com/image/brochures/SC-1_2-06.pdf

[GTP]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

One of the best front projectors is the $250,000 Runco SC-1. It uses 3 chip DLP to completely eliminate rainbows. I wish manufactories could figure out a way to make a 3 chip DLP rear projector and DLP front projectors for under $10,000. I would never purchase a DLP unless it used 3 separate chips for red, green, and blue. Some people are always going to see rainbows on single chip DLP projectors. According to some reviews in magazines the Samsung single chip DLP has a slightly better picture compared to the JVC and Sony LCOS sets. Personal I would go with a JVC LCOS over a single chip DLP. The reason Sony and JVC LCOS projectors do not have rainbow problems is because they use 3 chip LCOS technology. Perhaps one day low cost 3 chip DLP projectors will become a reality.

Here is a link to one of the best 3 chip DLP projectors on the market. For $250,000 this projector is for a multimillionaire with a million dollar home theater room.

http://www.runco.com/image/brochures/SC-1_2-06.pdf

I can't see rainbows on a decent 720p DLP unless I am watching Sin City and violently shake my head back and forth.
On a cheap DLP pj...I can see them almost constantly.

I have seen both the Ruby and Pearl...and 3 chip or not they look flat and show less detail in comparison to the Sharp and Optoma 1080p 1 chip 1080p models.

From what I have seen in the pj forums at AVS...most who have seen both ...prefer DLP 1 chip over 3 chip Sony pj's in direct comparrison.

Also it seems to be the vast minority who see rainbows on the better DLP pj's.

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

I have both DLP and SXRD sets at home. The Sony SXRD is far better although the Samsung DLP looks very good too.

Samsung especially LED dlp is said to only last 20,000 hrs

so i would go with sxrd

[Zvi]

20000 is LED lamp lifetime and that's a lot better than 8000 hour lamps used in older DLPs from Sammy.

[ZX-VETTE]

I'm not going to get into much technical detail but rather give my subjective opinion. I had a 67" Samsung HL-R6768W DLP and currently have a 70" Sony KDS-R70SXRB2 LCos.

Without going into great detail because I just don't have it in me to write about this anymore after countless dealings, but my Samsung had two issues or more accurately defects that were across the board with that specific model and potentially others. One was eventually fixed with a redesigned lens cover and the second issue was never fixed and a Samsung regional rep stated it was a manufacturing defect.

Samsung's customer service was horrendous. Not that they were rude or anything like that, but they had no follow up whatsoever and there were serious flaws in their customer service process including with their outsourced service technicians.

After replacing numerous parts multiple times I received a new TV that had the same two issues. As mentioned, one issue was finally fixed. My problem is that this took Samsung one and a half years to accomplish. This is no joke. I documented everything... every call, every date, every service visit, everytime I left a message or e-mail that was not returned.

Finally, the store I bought the TV from allowed me to swap it out for anything I wanted and I got the Sony. Three months after I got the Sony, Samsung called to follow up on the DLP. lol

I was eventually contacted by a Samsung executive who said they were using my case to use for training and to improve their processes. I hope he really meant that.

Anway, I really like the Samsung outside of the two issues I had. The picture and color were excellent. I also liked the fact that it had a dedicated subwoofer jack in the back which I've never seen on another TV. This was great if I didn't want to utilize the A/V receiver. I know there are true 1080p now, but my TV was advertised as 1080p, but I came to find out that it only supported 1080i through the HDMI ports. The VGA was the only 1080p.

Overall I like the picture quality and color on the Sony slightly more than the Samsung although the Samsung was a bit more detailed with certain scenes when I compared the two with a Blu-Ray title. The Sony had better sound... a deeper fuller bass than the Samsung, although the Sony didn't have that dedicated subwoofer jack. The Sony (being a year later model) had the advantage of true 1080p and through all 3 HDMI ports. I haven't seen any other TV's with 3 although I'm not really looking anymore.

Lastly, the Sony has quite a few more ways to adjust the picture... almost too much for anything I would use. I recently schedule a calibration for the TV so I'll leave it to a professional. One final tidbit is that the Sony came with an extra lamp, not too shabby considering they're around $350.

In conclusion, aside from my horrendous experience with Samsung's customer service, I prefer the Sony. Aside from appearing to be a better made piece of electronics, I prefer the picture on the Sony slightly better than the Samsung and on its own, has better sound.

[vizunary]

Originally Posted by nhaase

Also, LED is not the future of DLP, in my opinion. Lasers are the future. Instead of any light source which puts light on the entire DLP chip at all times, 3 lasers (red, green, and blue, of course) replace the lamp and color wheel. They are all on at the same time, and they only put their light where it is needed. The lasers also give the deepest, purest color, when made correctly. So, you will get the richest colors and deepest blacks, since it acts like a CRT and blacks just get no light. The lasers also use much less power, and the sets can be thin enough to wall-mount. I will be waiting until I get out of grad school before I buy another TV, but if this technology pans out, this is the type of front projector I'll buy for my theater room.



Note: I bought the JVC 56" LCoS (they call it HD-ILA, same as SXRD). I like that it has the manually and automatically adjusted iris.

With laser rptv's they have to figure out a way to filter out all of the noise that is inherent of laser light w/o losing intensity. As it sits, the picture created is supposedly somewhat dull when compared with LCoS or other DLP displays. I actually believe that laser technology will probably branch into an entirely new tech, we'll see...