Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[cinemaphile]

Originally Posted by Packerfan75

Thank you for saying that. These were clear oversights to be sure.
You could say Leia was remembering her adopted mother Organa but I'm sure this isn't what she meant when she was talking to Luke in ROTJ. As for Obi Wan's amnesia about R2-D2 and C-3P0, I can't even begin to explain that.

Everyone I know has just accepted Leia was remembering her mother on Alderaan (Organa). There's no reason she has to be speaking of her biological mother.

[joe_b]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

Everyone I know has just accepted Leia was remembering her mother on Alderaan (Organa). There's no reason she has to be speaking of her biological mother.

For one, it takes away all the significance of that scene between the twins -- one of the most powerful scenes in the OT, imo. Luke isn't asking about Bail's wife (why would he?) and specifically says "your real mother", implying he knew Leia was adopted. Plus, what are the odds her biological and adopted mother both died in such a short span of time?

[cinemaphile]

Originally Posted by joe_b

For one, it takes away all the significance of that scene between the twins -- one of the most powerful scenes in the OT, imo. Luke isn't asking about Bail's wife (why would he?) and specifically says "your real mother", implying he knew Leia was adopted. Plus, what are the odds her biological and adopted mother both died in such a short span of time?

But does Leia even know before that that Breha Organa wasn't her "real" mother? As far as she knows at that point, Breha was her real mother, and so I think she answers the question referring to her.

[cinemaphile]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

But does Leia even know before that that Breha Organa wasn't her "real" mother? As far as she knows at that point, Breha was her real mother, and so I think she answers the question referring to her.

I don't know where they get this info, but according to Wookieepedia, Breha died when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan, so that would mean she was alive for most of Leia's life, so Leia would remember more than images and feelings. She must have been told at some point she was adopted and therefore was referring to Padme.

[joe_b]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

But does Leia even know before that that Breha Organa wasn't her "real" mother? As far as she knows at that point, Breha was her real mother, and so I think she answers the question referring to her.

Not if you assume (like 99% of the audience from 1983-2005) that "Do you remember your mother? Your real mother." was referering to biological mother (unless you wish to believe that Bail's first wife also died and he later remarried -- which is a bit of a stretch). The fact that he even had to specify which mother he was referring to is a strong indication Leia (and Luke for that matter) knew she was adopted.

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by joe_b

Not if you assume (like 99% of the audience from 1983-2005) that "Do you remember your mother? Your real mother." was referering to biological mother (unless you wish to believe that Bail's first wife also died and he later remarried -- which is a bit of a stretch). The fact that he even had to specify which mother he was referring to is a strong indication Leia (and Luke for that matter) knew she was adopted.

Given that both Leia and Luke have The Force, you'd think that Leia would have "flashbacks" or distant memories of what Padme looked like, and even though right at birth, there'd be no way to really recollect on the memory of being born, The Force would have a way to "pull that image" from her memory. Maybe that'd be some food for thought...

[JamesKurtovich]

Let's hope we don't see Hayden make a comeback as New Ghost Anakin...

[Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

[Show spoiler]

Well, that sounds absolutely pathetic to me.
I like JJ's films so far, but Star Wars is should be done by George Lucas IMO.
I like his ways.
Well, time will tell.

The Stories should be written by Lucas. That's what he does best. He should never be allowed to get behind a camera or yell cut ever again because he is pathetic as a director! Just as much of the success of the first two was because of Gary Kurtz and Kasdan on Empire. I do have some serious doubts about JJ though. I have some serious reservations thanks to Lucas totally train wrecking this franchise. You have newer films that are the prequels, terrible acting and untied story lines. Then you have the films that over 30 years old (wonderful films in both story and acting) but very dated effects to put with prequels that look nothing like the OT. Now we are going to have sequels with even better effects and quite possibly recasting of major characters. Really how can these even be watched as one big saga?

[welcometothepartypal]

Originally Posted by Angel Eyes

The Stories should be written by Lucas. That's what he does best. He should never be allowed to get behind a camera or yell cut ever again because he is pathetic as a director! Just as much of the success of the first two was because of Gary Kurtz and Kasdan on Empire. I do have some serious doubts about JJ though. I have some serious reservations thanks to Lucas totally train wrecking this franchise. You have newer films that are the prequels, terrible acting and untied story lines. Then you have the films that over 30 years old (wonderful films in both story and acting) but very dated effects to put with prequels that look nothing like the OT. Now we are going to have sequels with even better effects and quite possibly recasting of major characters. Really how can these even be watched as one big saga?

I agree. In a perfect world if the prequels were stronger and smarter films and viscerally rolled into the OT I could let go of the technology/effects that separate them. Maybe, just maybe the next few will accomplish this. That won't be easy for any director....

[joe_b]

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

Given that both Leia and Luke have The Force, you'd think that Leia would have "flashbacks" or distant memories of what Padme looked like, and even though right at birth, there'd be no way to really recollect on the memory of being born, The Force would have a way to "pull that image" from her memory. Maybe that'd be some food for thought...

Yes, it can be rationalized six ways to Sunday, but it's still something Lucas should have handled better in his screenplay for Sith. The fact that Luke has no memory of his mother makes it seem like he got the short end of the stick in "The Force" department if Leia can still recall the first three seconds of her life -- or "womb memories" for that matter...

Actually, I'm surprised Lucas hasn't removed/edited that dialogue from the BD verison of Jedi to retcon it with his prequels. Just imagine the pitchforks the fanboys would throw his way if that happened.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

I agree. Lucas already ruined continuity with the prequels, might as well just reboot the casting and do something in the first few years after Jedi.

Eh, I disagree. Despite the poor quality of the prequels, the Star Wars "Episode" films all will follow a distinct pattern of the Skywalker family:

Episode I-III-- 1st generation: Anakin Skywalker
Episode IV-VI-- 2nd generation: Luke Skywalker/old Anakin (Darth Vader)
Episode VII-IX-- 3rd generation: Ben Skywalker/old Luke Skywalker

Since Disney is making a bunch of other Star Wars films, they can take place at any time in the series and feature all kinds of cool and interesting characters. I don't see any need to attempt to recast the OT characters just to keep sticking with them.

[UK_fan_05]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/...-jesse-plemons

Originally Posted by IGN

J.J. Abrams: Star Wars Episode VII Script Done; They Did Meet with Jesse Plemons

J.J. Abrams was on hand at today's TCA (Television Critics Association) press tour to promote his upcoming NBC series with Gravity's Alfonso Cuaron, Believe. While there he gave some brief updates on the progress of Star Wars Episode VII, saying that the script is complete and the are "full steam ahead" and in "deep pre-production."

The director also confirmed recent reports that he had met with Breaking Bad's creepy villain next door, Todd, actor Jesse Plemons. "He was one of the people we spoke with," Abrams said. "It's not often that I'm reading about actors I'm meeting. I read articles about meeting with actors and then when I see them it's like, 'Oh, I read I'm going to be meeting with you!' It's usually agents talking with people about things."

Plemons himself recently denied meeting with Abrams and producers about the film, but he'd likely been told to keep that under wraps.

As to the rumors that so often pop-up about Star Wars, the director said it was difficult to select just one as the most outlandish. "It's amazing to see how many there are," Abrams reflected. "It's really remarkable. But it's sweet, because it shows that there's an interest in this movie that we all obviously know is there. But it is incredible to see how many crazy things get thrown out that people often write commentaries about how happy they are, or how disappointed they are, about things that are completely false. It's a lot of noise."

When asked if he would ever like to shoot IMAX again, the director said that, “In the right situation," he would. But it's unlikely to happen for Episode VII. “The problem with IMAX is it’s a very loud camera," Abrams explained. "It’s a very unreliable camera. There's only so much film that can be in the camera. You can’t really do intimate scenes with it. It’s slow. They break down often. Having said that, they’re working on digital versions of these, and so there may be a version one day that we would shoot on. But we’re going to be shooting this next movie [Star Wars] on film."

When pressed for details on an anticipated run-time, Abrams quipped, "I promise you that it will be movie-length."

When asked about the future of the Star Wars franchise, and if he would consider bringing in his Believe partner Cuaron for any of the spinoff movies or sequels, Abrams said they are, "Just focusing on episode VII right now."

We will keep you updated as details on Star Wars Episode VII and beyond emerge.

[cinemaphile]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

I agree. Lucas already ruined continuity with the prequels, might as well just reboot the casting and do something in the first few years after Jedi.

There is NO WAY they will recast roles. If they're going to include Han/Luke/Leia, they will use the original cast. If the original cast isn't coming back, they will just use all-new characters and those characters won't appear.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

There is NO WAY they will recast roles. If they're going to include Han/Luke/Leia, they will use the original cast. If the original cast isn't coming back, they will just use all-new characters and those characters won't appear.

Anything can happen. This is a billion dollar franchise. The only member of the original cast that still has a career in big studio movies is Ford. Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamil are train wrecks. The studio wants a younger generation excited about Star Wars and that isn't going to happen with actors in their 60s and 70s.

Cameos at best if they don't recast.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Tok

Anything can happen. This is a billion dollar franchise. The only member of the original cast that still has a career in big studio movies is Ford. Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamil are train wrecks. The studio wants a younger generation excited about Star Wars and that isn't going to happen with actors in their 60s and 70s.

Cameos at best if they don't recast.

The worst kept secret in Hollywood is that Hamill, Fisher, and Ford are all coming back to star in 'Episode VII'. Disney even hired Hamill and Fisher personal trainers to get them into shape. They're not just going to have cameos, and they're not being recast. They're starring in the next movie, because J.J. wants to give the characters one more film in the spotlight.

[UK_fan_05]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

The worst kept secret in Hollywood is that Hamill, Fisher, and Ford are all coming back to star in 'Episode VII'. Disney even hired Hamill and Fisher personal trainers to get them into shape. They're not just going to have cameos, and they're not being recast. They're starring in the next movie, because J.J. wants to give the characters one more film in the spotlight.

And I really wish he wouldn't do that. He should just do his own thing instead of piggybacking off of the original trilogy. The cast doesn't need one more film, they should be supporting characters but not the stars.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

The worst kept secret in Hollywood is that Hamill, Fisher, and Ford are all coming back to star in 'Episode VII'. Disney even hired Hamill and Fisher personal trainers to get them into shape. They're not just going to have cameos, and they're not being recast. They're starring in the next movie, because J.J. wants to give the characters one more film in the spotlight.

And if that's the case this thing is going to be even more poorly received by the general audience than the prequels.

They might make the 40yo+ demographics happy but the younger generation is not going to be excited by the geriatric adventure.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Tok

And if that's the case this thing is going to be even more poorly received by the general audience than the prequels.

They might make the 40yo+ demographics happy but the younger generation is not going to be excited by the geriatric adventure.

Yes, because being in your 50s, 60s, and early 70s is geriatric. I'm 24 and I'm excited by the idea of seeing them again. Plenty of fans
will be, because those characters hold a special place in our hearts. So no, this won't be poorly received for that reason. The only reason this movie ends up being poorly received if it isn't good. Some people have already made up their minds though on that front...

People are going to take issue with this movie regardless with what ends up happening. I trust the people involved that they know what they're doing, and I'm willing to give this film a fair shot. It's easy to say that we don't want them to do this, that, or the other thing, but without full context, it's hard to say if it's a bad or good idea. But honestly, the people making this love the series, and they want to bring it back in a big way, so bringing back the main cast is one way to guarantee that people will be excited for it. Lets just hope for the best, and give the creators a chance to bring their vision to life.

[Pounder]

Hopefully Fisher and Hamill really work their butts off in getting themselves back into respectable shape. They look awful and it would be pathetic and sad to see them up on the big screen looking the way they look now.

[welcometothepartypal]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Yes, because being in your 50s, 60s, and early 70s is geriatric. I'm 24 and I'm excited by the idea of seeing them again. Plenty of fans
will be, because those characters hold a special place in our hearts. So no, this won't be poorly received for that reason. The only reason this movie ends up being poorly received if it isn't good. Some people have already made up their minds though on that front...

People are going to take issue with this movie regardless with what ends up happening. I trust the people involved that they know what they're doing, and I'm willing to give this film a fair shot. It's easy to say that we don't want them to do this, that, or the other thing, but without full context, it's hard to say if it's a bad or good idea. But honestly, the people making this love the series, and they want to bring it back in a big way, so bringing back the main cast is one way to guarantee that people will be excited for it. Lets just hope for the best, and give the creators a chance to bring their vision to life.

Well said!