2025-2026 College Football Thread

[emac213]

It looks like we have some more signing day drama, with the parents of Mailk Mcdowell not signing the LOI. They don't want him at MSU for some reason. Its crazy but it happens every years it seems.

[emac213]

Here's the interview with his mom yesterday.http://www.detroitsports1051.com/dre...e#.UvKhjnddVxv

[sycro]

Originally Posted by emac213

It looks like we have some more signing day drama, with the parents of Mailk Mcdowell not signing the LOI. They don't want him at MSU for some reason. Its crazy but it happens every years it seems.

Signing a formal LOI is dumb if you are a top recruit. It's a binding contract on the student's part, but there are several outs for a school.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by sycro

Signing a formal LOI is dumb if you are a top recruit. It's a binding contract on the student's part, but there are several outs for a school.

I think calling it a verbal COMMITMENT and a letter of INTENT is completely backwards. It should be the other way around.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I think calling it a verbal COMMITMENT and a letter of INTENT is completely backwards. It should be the other way around.

I believe the "intent" potion Letter of Intent is a legal term.

Originally Posted by sycro

Signing a formal LOI on the first day is dumb if you are a top recruit. It's a binding contract on the student's part, but there are several outs for a school.

fixed it

[sycro]

Originally Posted by Slec

I believe the "intent" potion Letter of Intent is a legal term.



fixed it

Signing it on any date is dumb. It's a 100% optional item in recruitment that 100% binds you to a school up until they decide they don't want you. If you sign the LOI and then the coach gets fired for some scandal and gets replaced by someone you hate, you lose a year of eligibility if you want to transfer. If you don't sign the LOI, you'll still be recruited and accepted into whatever school you want.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by sycro

Signing it on any date is dumb. It's a 100% optional item in recruitment that 100% binds you to a school up until they decide they don't want you. If you sign the LOI and then the coach gets fired for some scandal and gets replaced by someone you hate, you lose a year of eligibility if you want to transfer. If you don't sign the LOI, you'll still be recruited and accepted into whatever school you want.

It's a gesture of faith so the coach can go out and fill any other holes they might have, knowing you are locked in. There's a great deal of give and take in these situations.

I'm clearly not a star athlete and 18 year olds aren't known for their rational thinking but my thoughts are closer to yours than not. If there are truly 3 schools that i'm down to (not for some stupid hat drama), i wait until after today and see how things shake out. Then use that as info to make the best decision for me.

ex. OH wow, Alabama got 2 5-star OLB's, and have 2 returning starters. I'm an OLB too, so maybe I'll see what shape my other 2 choices are at my position and reassess everything.

signing a couple days later might allow for a better decision. there's always the chance others will make the decision just as you did but still

[sycro]

Originally Posted by Slec

It's a gesture of faith so the coach can go out and fill any other holes they might have, knowing you are locked in. There's a great deal of give and take in these situations.

I'm clearly not a star athlete and 18 year olds aren't known for their rational thinking but my thoughts are closer to yours than not. If there are truly 3 schools that i'm down to (not for some stupid hat drama), i wait until after today and see how things shake out. Then use that as info to make the best decision for me.

ex. OH wow, Alabama got 2 5-star OLB's, and have 2 returning starters. I'm an OLB too, so maybe I'll see what shape my other 2 choices are at my position and reassess everything.

signing a couple days later might allow for a better decision. there's always the chance others will make the decision just as you did but still

It still doesn't make sense to sign. If you're a Top 5 OLB, Alabama is going to want you whether or not you agree to sign the LOI.


But wow, GT got a commitment today from a ESPN 300 guy (#249, Myles Autrey). He's done RB, slot WR and wildcat QB.... so, he's perfect for an A-back or possibly QB.

[Spurrier Sucks]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I swear it's not even fair! I feel like the government needs to step in and break that program up the way they do corproations that monopolize a market LOL! Like they need to have "Bama East" and Bama West."

Meanwhile, the VOLS are bringing in a VERY good class this year! A top 5 class after going 5-7 is impressive! Coach Butch Jones is doing the work!

With 35-40 signing?

[sycro]

Originally Posted by Spurrier Sucks

With 35-40 signing?

I feel some medical disqualifications are coming.

[Spurrier Sucks]

Originally Posted by sycro

I feel some medical disqualifications are coming.

The SEC is a damn joke when it comes to so called student athletes.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Spurrier Sucks

With 35-40 signing?

32 to be exact. 5 will be back counted from last year because we only signed 20 last season. I believe 2 are going to grey shirt and will be a part of the 2015 class. That's how UT was able to sign so many.

The things I'm most proud of with this class are

1.) Coach Jones completely built a fence around the state of Tennessee. Of the top 10 ranked players in the state, Coach Jones got 9 of them!

2.) 14 of the players in the class are early enrollees and are already on campus! The most of any program in the country! That is HUGE in terms of getting them into the strength and conditioning program to get them physically ready to play in the SEC. Plus it gets them more quickly acclimated to college life, the expectations from the coaching staff, etc.

3.) We were the only program with a losing season last year that finished in the top 10, and we finished at #5! Jones and his staff did a phenomenal job of selling the program and the advantages of playing at Tennessee!

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Spurrier Sucks

With 35-40 signing?

I do agree on class rankings being biased towards schools that sign a ton of players. A better measurement is avg star rating per recruit, in which case the rankings are as such:

1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Ohio St.
4. Texas A&M
5. USC
6. Tennessee
7. Auburn
8. UCLA
9. Georgia
10. FSU

Either was Tennessee did rake in an outstanding class with 2 five-star recruits and 16 four-star recruits.

[Spurrier Sucks]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

I do agree on class rankings being biased towards schools that sign a ton of players. A better measurement is avg star rating per recruit, in which case the rankings are as such:

1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Ohio St.
4. Texas A&M
5. USC
6. Tennessee
7. Auburn
8. UCLA
9. Georgia
10. FSU

Either was Tennessee did rake in an outstanding class with 2 five-star recruits and 16 four-star recruits.

I think my point was the SEC likes to over sign and then kick out the weak. Bama is notorious for this. USCjr has 90 signed scholarship players. You can only have 82. 8 of those kids that signed up to go to school will soon be looking for another school. I know not all will qualify, that's normal and expected, but 8? It's just wrong and the SEC seems to do this consistently.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Spurrier Sucks

I think my point was the SEC likes to over sign and then kick out the weak. Bama is notorious for this. USCjr has 90 signed scholarship players. You can only have 82. 8 of those kids that signed up to go to school will soon be looking for another school. I know not all will qualify, that's normal and expected, but 8? It's just wrong and the SEC seems to do this consistently.

Is there actual evidence of this over signing? I was just looking at the recruiting classes by conference and it appears the average number of recruits per school in the SEC is in the low-mid 20's, which is almost identical to the number of recruits for the other major conferences like the ACC and Big-Ten.

[sycro]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Is there actual evidence of this over signing? I was just looking at the recruiting classes by conference and it appears the average number of recruits per school in the SEC is in the low-mid 20's, which is almost identical to the number of recruits for the other major conferences like the ACC and Big-Ten.

SEC doesn't do it anymore, and the 30+ number for Tennessee is misleading, as it counts "commitments" and "signings" and only signings count against the real limit.

Prior to 2009, the SEC frequently signed well above the 25 scholarships allowed. The conference passed the "Houston Nutt Rule" limiting it to 28 LOIs after Houston Nutt signed 37 players in 2009. The NCAA accepted the rule the following year. In 2011, the SEC created a new rule limiting each school to 25 LOIs, though the coaches wanted it to remain 28.

[ChadFL]

Decided to go back and look at the Rivals.com top recruiting classes of years past. Here are the number 1 ranked classes by year with points and key players signed. It's more or less been the Nick Saban show since 2008 and the Pete Carroll show prior to that.

Absent from the list is probably the best class during this span, the 2006 Florida class. They were ranked the 3 class that year but ended up with Tim Tebow, Riley Cooper, Percy Harvin, Brandon Spikes, Brandon James, among other future star players that contributed to two national championship teams.

2014 - Alabama - 3263
2013 - Alabama - 3166
2012 - Alabama - 2621
2011 - Alabama - 2632
2010 - USC - 3003
2009 - Alabama - 2786
2008 - Alabama - 2836
2007 - Florida - 2959
2006 - USC - 3010
2005 - USC - 2631
2004 - USC - 2908
2003 - LSU - 2626
2002 - Texas - 2792

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

I do agree on class rankings being biased towards schools that sign a ton of players. A better measurement is avg star rating per recruit, in which case the rankings are as such:

RIVALS:

1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Ohio St.
4. Texas A&M
5. USC
6. Tennessee
7. Auburn
8. UCLA
9. Georgia
10. FSU

Either was Tennessee did rake in an outstanding class with 2 five-star recruits and 16 four-star recruits.

Not true. Whether you sign 20 or 35, all the recruiting sites base it on an average. Rivals bases their rankings only on the top 20 ranked players for each program. ESPN doesn't count JUCOS in their ranking. Their top 10 are rated as such...

RIVALS:

1.) Alabama
2.) LSU
3.) Ohio State
4.) FSU
5.) Tennessee
6.) Texas A&M
7.) Florida
8.) Georgia
9.) Auburn
10.) USCw

ESPN:

1.) Alabama
2.) LSU
3.) Florida State
4.) Texas A&M
5.) Tennessee
6.) Florida
7.) Ohio State
8.) Auburn
9.) Georgia
10.) Miami

[Spurrier Sucks]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Is there actual evidence of this over signing? I was just looking at the recruiting classes by conference and it appears the average number of recruits per school in the SEC is in the low-mid 20's, which is almost identical to the number of recruits for the other major conferences like the ACC and Big-Ten.

Originally Posted by sycro

SEC doesn't do it anymore, and the 30+ number for Tennessee is misleading, as it counts "commitments" and "signings" and only signings count against the real limit.

Prior to 2009, the SEC frequently signed well above the 25 scholarships allowed. The conference passed the "Houston Nutt Rule" limiting it to 28 LOIs after Houston Nutt signed 37 players in 2009. The NCAA accepted the rule the following year. In 2011, the SEC created a new rule limiting each school to 25 LOIs, though the coaches wanted it to remain 28.

There is evidence at USCjr right now. It's signing more kids in a year than you can actually get in with total number of scholarships you have available for the entire team, 82. You bring in 32 this year you don't hVe 32 seniors on your team that are leaving. That means there are some kids leaving that don't really want to leave. They signed up for 4 years but that's not really how it goes. This is what Bama does often. They sign a better player than you, then you are gone if you haven't produced in 2-3 years. Spurrier has been doing it, hell when he first got there he pissed off the high school coaches so Vad by doing this most wouldn't even talk to him and threatened to keep him out of the schools. Of course winning fixes everything and they backed down because kids can talk to who they want. It's just a dirty business and the SEC is the king of dirty.

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Decided to go back and look at the Rivals.com top recruiting classes of years past. Here are the number 1 ranked classes by year with points and key players signed. It's more or less been the Nick Saban show since 2008 and the Pete Carroll show prior to that.

Absent from the list is probably the best class during this span, the 2006 Florida class. They were ranked the 3 class that year but ended up with Tim Tebow, Riley Cooper, Percy Harvin, Brandon Spikes, Brandon James, among other future star players that contributed to two national championship teams.

2014 - Alabama - 3263
2013 - Alabama - 3166
2012 - Alabama - 2621
2011 - Alabama - 2632
2010 - USC - 3003
2009 - Alabama - 2786
2008 - Alabama - 2836
2007 - Florida - 2959
2006 - USC - 3010
2005 - USC - 2631
2004 - USC - 2908
2003 - LSU - 2626
2002 - Texas - 2792

Tough to argue about the importance of recruiting with what that list has accomplished.

[fatediesel]

A three-star recruit signed letters of intent with three schools yesterday. D.J. Law sent letters of intent to Utah, Mississippi, and East Mississippi Community College. By rule whichever school verified his letter of intent first would hold his rights. The link believes that Mississippi will release Law from his scholarship because he will most likely end up at a junior college.

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/login...h-two-schools/