Frozen 3D Blu-ray (2013) [Region Free]

[rdkam]

$30 for Monsters Inc. 3D is clearly greed. How old is this movie? Then they wonder why sales are so low.

$36 for Ironman 3 3D? Can't create demand and develop a mass market with that pricing model.

[Phil92]

Originally Posted by EricJ

WHAT UK edition?

This UK edition.



I have to agree with Robert. If we have a 3D master of it, then surely it's widely available. This is pure and simple greed by Disney US. They'll spring out an 'Ultimate Collector's Edition' combo this winter with likely no difference to the release the UK is getting.

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by Weeksy

Probably the difference between PAL / NTSC would be a contributing factor - from what I recall, that was a large part of the reason in the delay of "Aladdin" in the U.S. compared to Europe / Australia etc.

The flaw with PAL vs NTSC being a contributing factor theory is that it only applies to DVDs. The Blu-ray disc specification uses the Universal Disk Format (UDF), a consumer friendly environment for professionally authored BDs using a multiplexed container format MPEG transport stream. Compatible for encodes: AVC, MVC (3D), ATSC HDTV etc.

[Ray O. Blu]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by EricJ

WHAT UK edition? Do you actually have one yet?
Show us a picture of the unboxing, I can't wait to see it!

If not....I'm going on a lot more than one post.

(All this talk of "greed", it is too easy a motive, it keeps us from looking at the true picture. But Hercule, he uses ze little gray cells--Why, I ask myself, do we have the digital, but non, not for the shiny silver disk? Then, I find the answer: Maybe it is because someone, he cannot make the disk...)

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Seriously, though: Why was I spared? How did I develop the almost lone genetic immunity in my system to the mass hysteria of conspiracy theories, finger pointing, early 3D funerals and corporate demonizing, and looked at real-world factors almost from the get-go? I have a theory:

While I still hope to see EVERY 3D movie on shelves, ehh, personally, I didn't much care for this movie....I'd love to see it released like I'd like to see them all released, but as far as my thirty-five bucks goes, I was planning to give it a pass. THAT, I think, must be the crucial missing factor: Because I'd sat out most of Frozen-Mania, and have no personally vested emotional stake in seeing the movie come out tomorrow (and waiting till November is no skin off my nose), I haven't had some deep meaningful wish and hope of my psyche cruelly taken away from me, and my reaction was completely rerouted around the usual subconscious vestige of the 5-yo. who was promised an ice-cream cone and now suddenly learns he's not going to get one.
By tradition, how does that 5-yo. psychologically react?
1) Safely-distanced explanation: Outside-forces Bad People caused it. ("Disney listened to all those articles that 3D Is Dead, and now they're shutting down their entire division and not making any more ever again!")
2) Blame: Accuse the most directly available source in being personally mean in depriving it. ("They're just trying to wring more money out of us! They'll make us buy the 2D, and then put out another edition in November for $40, just watch!")
3) Intimidation: Let people know you're angry about it. ("I just sent an e-mail saying 'Disney, you suck!'")
4) Bargaining: Try to "buy" the act with other off-topic acts of goodness. ("Maybe if we bought more of the 3D editions, they'd know it was still popular, and rush it out right away!")
5) Charm: Hope that if you ask nicely and cutely, it will soften the heart of the person holding out on you. ("We should organize a letter/petition campaign, telling them of our continuing support for Disney 3D!")
6) Precedent: Try to persuade the source that he is forced by similar history to follow a previous example that went well. ("Disney did a separate 3D disk for Oz!")
7) Fairness and Equality: Point out how other people you know are getting it without complaint, so why shouldn't you? ("The UK says they're still getting their edition!")
8) Other channels: Try to reroute the request through someone else who could make it happen, like Grandma. ("Have we heard the director's view on why Disney isn't producing a 3D version?")
9) Backup plans: Try to get it anyway, without having to ask authority. ("What's the best website for buying region-free UK releases?")

It's too easy a cliche' to say "Grow up!", but what exactly does that mean? Usually it means that a child is self-centered and does not see his place in the world as opposed to what he wants, and an adult (hopefully) has been around enough to know that, well, things can happen.
At what age did you first think back and realize, okay, maybe there was a REASON your parents didn't get you that pony for your birthday?

Great post! Fun read.

I think people are referring to Disney's greed , in regard to not releasing Frozen 3D on Blu-ray in the U.S. concurrently with all the other countries that are releasing it, because Disney is trying to push their new streaming service without giving folks in the U.S. the additional option of simply purchasing the physical 3D Blu-ray.

[Robert Siegel]

Originally Posted by Ray O. Blu

Great post! Fun read.

I think people are referring to Disney's greed , in regard to not releasing Frozen 3D on Blu-ray in the U.S. concurrently with all the other countries that are releasing it, because Disney is trying to push their new streaming service without giving folks in the U.S. the additional option of simply purchasing the physical 3D Blu-ray.

Very well said Ray!!!!!

[dogofwar]

Originally Posted by Phil92

This UK edition.



I have to agree with Robert. If we have a 3D master of it, then surely it's widely available. This is pure and simple greed by Disney US. They'll spring out an 'Ultimate Collector's Edition' combo this winter with likely no difference to the release the UK is getting.

I just ordered this myself. Less than $25 dollars shipped. Now Disney can do whatever they want with a US release because I have no interest in it.

[Weeksy]

Originally Posted by Ray O. Blu

But the UK Blu is region-free.

Yeah - I wouldn't take that as gospel until it actually gets released. Disney can be a little bit hit & miss with their Blu-Rays, I've got a few "A,B & C" titles, and a few "B" only from the last couple of years.

Put it this way - it's a highly likely scenario that "Frozen" will be all regions, but there's still a chance it won't be.

[Weeksy]

Originally Posted by Ray O. Blu

Disney is trying to push their new streaming service

Again with this "new streaming service" - other than a couple of vague posts I've only seen in this forum, does anyone actually have any information on this service? I haven't heard of this anywhere else.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by Weeksy

Again with this "new streaming service" - other than a couple of vague posts I've only seen in this forum, does anyone actually have any information on this service? I haven't heard of this anywhere else.

Exactly. I think we would have some information on this by now. The digital release is only a couple weeks away, Feb 25th. I highly doubt Disney would just lauch a new digital service the exact same day they release Frozen 3D. You would think it would be highly publicized. Yet we have heard nothing.

Only VUDU, the Playstation Store and Netflix offer 3D movies. I am pretty confident it will not be appearing on Netflix soon, but will probably also be available as pay-per-view or On Demand on cable.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by atomik kinder

Exactly. I think we would have some information on this by now. The digital release is only a couple weeks away, Feb 25th. I highly doubt Disney would just lauch a new digital service the exact same day they release Frozen 3D. You would think it would be highly publicized. Yet we have heard nothing.

And let's go back to the, snicker-giggle, "One post" that Robert is so quick to discredit (It is only one post, after all, and not a photoshopped cover or rumor that they read on a website): Let's say that the sales rep who claimed it was disk manufacturing error WAS "lying" and trying to foist some lame Disney excuse on the customerl. (Nyah-nyah, evil-evil-evil, liar-liar-pants on fire! ):
Wouldn't their "greedy desire to wring dollars from us" have TOLD him how much "better" their quote, "New streaming service" is, if they so badly wanted us to use it in the future instead? Wouldn't they have, I don't know, spun it through their advertising PR and tried to drop the customer a hint that "Soon, you'll be able to watch the 3D edition in a whole new magical way?"

No. They did not. For some reason that baffles everyone into suspicious glances, they foisted some lame dog-ate-my-homework excuse about "Problems manufacturing the disk", and that that was the reason why we were getting every other version, hard and soft.
Whew, that was close! They almost let the cat out of the bag about this whole new streaming service ahead of time! Good thing they didn't give their carefully guarded secret away!

Only VUDU, the Playstation Store and Netflix offer 3D movies. I am pretty confident it will not be appearing on Netflix soon, but will probably also be available as pay-per-view or On Demand on cable.

Netflix usually gets their 3D movies from 3Net and (now) Dreamworks - They have an exclusive-connection deal with Disney, but Disney seems to be using free subscriber-streaming for their bottom-tier titles, eg. Tinkerbell, less in-demand 70's "classic" catalog, vidquels, Disney Channel, etc.
I DON'T think they'll be using it for the major debut of a first-day New Release, let alone one they're, quote-fingers, "greedily" hoping to "move into the new streaming age" with.

[Ray O. Blu]

Originally Posted by Weeksy

Again with this "new streaming service" - other than a couple of vague posts I've only seen in this forum, does anyone actually have any information on this service? I haven't heard of this anywhere else.

How about this: http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/disn...-service-m-go/

People, meet M-Go: https://www.mgo.com/content/about-m-go

[Weeksy]

Originally Posted by Ray O. Blu

How about this: http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/disn...-service-m-go/

People, meet M-Go: https://www.mgo.com/content/about-m-go

Oh, OK.

The way this has been bandied about over the last month or so made it seem as though it was some new "Disney" branded streaming service ("their" streaming service etc.) - not just M-Go (which I think most people were aware of already anyway - at least anyone who owns a Roku or Smart TV) - which is realistically no different to current offerings through Vudu.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Ray O. Blu

How about this: http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/disn...-service-m-go/

People, meet M-Go: https://www.mgo.com/content/about-m-go

O....kayyyy? I see Disney licensing movies to the same streaming service that uses Fox, Dreamworks, Sony, Universal, Relativity, CBS, and other "Hollywood big shots", etc. (Heck, I'd even forgotten Relativity was a studio, until I saw the logo on M's page.)
Which is pretty much exactly what you could say about their DigitalCopyPlus partnerships with Vudu, Amazon, iTunes, Google, etc.

Of course, dumb ol' me, I'm thinking they'll just be adding it to the DCP list--
I'm obviously missing some deep corporate conspiracy about how Disney's "behind" it and using it to "replace" all other hard-disk options in the future, could someone help me out here?

[Ray O. Blu]

Originally Posted by Weeksy

Oh, OK.

The way this has been bandied about over the last month or so made it seem as though it was some new "Disney" branded streaming service ("their" streaming service etc.) - not just M-Go (which I think most people were aware of already anyway - at least anyone who owns a Roku or Smart TV) - which is realistically no different to current offerings through Vudu.

I don't have M-go, myself. If I stream a movie, I prefer and use Vudu HDX. Better sound.
I don't care what Disney does with this Frozen headache, as long as the 3D UK import is region free. Nothing comes close to watching a Blu-ray. (Maybe IMAX)

[TransAM]

Originally Posted by dogofwar

I just ordered this myself. Less than $25 dollars shipped. Now Disney can do whatever they want with a US release because I have no interest in it.

Do you have the link for this title---> $25 w/shipping ??

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by TransAM

Do you have the link for this title---> $25 w/shipping ??

Frozen 3D Amazon UK The price on the site includes VAT, which is deducted from your total if you do not live in the UK. But with shipping it actually comes out to about $30 US.

[dogofwar]

Originally Posted by Weeksy

Yeah - I wouldn't take that as gospel until it actually gets released. Disney can be a little bit hit & miss with their Blu-Rays, I've got a few "A,B & C" titles, and a few "B" only from the last couple of years.

Put it this way - it's a highly likely scenario that "Frozen" will be all regions, but there's still a chance it won't be.

Well Amazon is pretty clear in advertising it as region free, so I feel very confident it will be region free.

[dogofwar]

Originally Posted by TransAM

Do you have the link for this title---> $25 w/shipping ??

Sorry, I used euro instead of British pound. So it is actually more like $29 USD shipped.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by EricJ

(All this talk of "greed", it is too easy a motive, it keeps us from looking at the true picture. But Hercule, he uses ze little gray cells--Why, I ask myself, do we have the digital, but non, not for the shiny silver disk? Then, I find the answer: Maybe it is because someone, he cannot make the disk...)

Originally Posted by Robert Siegel

I have read this thread and am really disgusted with Disney. This was their best animated movie in years, and they stab all of us Blu-ray 3D fans in the back. We should start a petition and scour Facebook, You Tube for fan pages of Disney, Frozen, ect and get them to sign, we need to show some power here. I for one will NOT buy a digital version. I do not buy digital movies. Sure it may be the future but I will buy discs until the very last day they are available!

(More bad detective imitations, to illustrate the "Hell is the futility of Reason, even though Reason is so much damn easier!!" idea, continue: )

Well, that's the thing, sir; I've seen you write these columns on how they restore these, and I gotta confess, I don't know too much about that--I mean, the wife, she just wants her "let it go", and I go out and buy 'em, that's pretty much it for me. I figure there's gotta be all that money going into every stage of the process, right?--Because when there's a hard disk, they gotta pay the guy who makes the cover, and the guy who goes out and writes that press release, and that's where all this money is going.
And y'see, that's the part that's got me stumped: They make a cover, they tell us it's coming, and then, pfft, all of sudden it's not. How does that happen? Maybe, like the report says, they just decided they wanted to go digital, but y'see, companies don't do that. They don't just change horses in midstream like that, not without making sure they don't pay a lot of people they didn't have to. You know how I've got this worked out?--I figure, whatever the reason was, it's gotta be something that hit 'em from behind. Something they didn't have a story for the next day, or they'd have already worked out one, and they'd be out there telling their new story to everybody, but they didn't know how long they'd have to be telling this one, because they didn't have a timetable for it, y'see where I'm going here? That's what I'm thinking--That's how I got this figured: They didn't see it coming. Otherwise, they'd have been all over this a month before, but I gotta tell ya, if I ever worked for a company that's as greedy as you say, I sure wouldn't want to be the guy who walks into the boardroom saying "Let's throw away all that money we've been spending for the last six weeks, 'cause I just came in with a better idea." Now, would doing that make sense to you, sir, because I'm still having trouble working that one in.

[RBBrittain]

Originally Posted by Ray O. Blu

How about this: http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/disn...-service-m-go/

People, meet M-Go: https://www.mgo.com/content/about-m-go

Unless they're launching 3D with Frozen, M-GO doesn't do 3D. If it's a conspiracy to drive 3D to streaming it's more likely to be with Walmart/Vudu than a service run by WDAS' & Pixar's biggest competitor. (If anything it only further suggests Disney joining UV is inevitable even if it makes Steve Jobs turn over in his grave.)

No, the stupid U.S. 3D delay is to "milk the cow" (as Ernest Rister put it in the other Frozen thread) by double-dipping it on BD3D in the fall. (Edit: Think Avatar, since Frozen's worldwide box office is heading to Cameron-esque levels.) Based on last year's The Jungle Book I suspect the UK BD3D may be region-locked (never fully trust Amazon on region coding), but I can handle that. For now I'd rather double-dip with the Vudu in-store preorder (early 2D download, hopefully add Google Play with DC+ code for my Nook HD) plus UK BD3D than support Vudu's highway-robbery 3D library OR wait for the U.S. BD3D. (Of course I could change my mind, but then I still have my Mexican Dumbo BD and have NO intent of ever buying the U.S. BD. )