Punisher: War Zone. Anyone anticipating this reboot?

[Heart_Collector]

Originally Posted by darkpoet25

Isn't Ray Stevenson also playing Snake Eyes in the upcoming GI Joe movie, as well as having played Darth Maul?

That was Ray Parks

Originally Posted by EricJ

I'm assuming the Geeky Stoner and the Fat Guy aren't in it this time around.
(I'd ask "What was the writer thinking??", but since it was screenwriter Jonathan "Live Free or Die Hard" Hensleigh's Big-Time Break for directing, we pretty much know what he was thinking, and he probably wasn't choosy.)

Now that Marvel calls their own shots, I'm guessing this is one more Incredible-Hulk style "reboot", to keep things back under the safe-and-sane canon label--
As in, "Yes, we know it was somebody else's production that slipped through a contract loophole, but what the HECK was Frank Castle doing in Miami, anyway??--He's a Marvel New Yorker! "

Supposedly it's full-out sequel, taking him to New York (I do agree...Miami?)
The Dave and Joan and fat guy were taken from the Ennis (I believe) story arc, also involving the Russian. The only real problem I had with the writing on that part was; it was already done in the comics. But, most comic movies seem to be story-arcs ripped straight out of the comics...there's not a whole lot of originality on the writer's parts.

[darkpoet25]

Originally Posted by Heart_Collector

That was Ray Parks

Ahhh.....ok gotcha. I got confused for a minute. I knew it was a Ray, but couldn't remember his last name.

[Heart_Collector]

Originally Posted by darkpoet25

Ahhh.....ok gotcha. I got confused for a minute. I knew it was a Ray, but couldn't remember his last name.

I forget his name all the time...when you wrote that I had to think about it for a second. Ray Parks has also (supposedly) been slated to play Iron Fist forever and a day, but constant stall and set-backs...

[McHairy21]

Im Stoked About This Movie, Really Liked Thomas Jane As The Punisher But I Think Stevenson Can Pull It Off, He Was Great On Rome.

[GreenScar]

here's what I found from Thomas Jane:

In a letter to AICN Thomas Jane announced that he's dropping out of the Punisher sequel.

"I regretfully and painfully had to pull out of P2. I can't tell you how completely broken up I am about it. Punisher fans are already fighting an uphill battle as it is. And I've always felt a responsibility to fight that fight for them and with them so that Frank Castle gets the treatment he deserves" said Jane.

He added "What I won't do is spend months of my life sweating over a movie that I just don't believe in. I've always loved the Marvel guys, and wish them well. Meanwhile, I'll continue to search for a film that one day might stand with all those films that the fans have asked me to watch."

Cathie Horlick
5/16/2007

I think this all took place before a script and director was finalized.

[Heart_Collector]

Originally Posted by jasonbird

here's what I found from Thomas Jane:



I think this all took place before a script and director was finalized.

The info I got on it was from my friend. Usually, if I haven't heard about it, he has. It's possible we're both wrong (it's happened a couple of times), but every ounce of Jane's letter leads me to believe what I stated earlier was correct. "Fighting the fight for the fans" and so on...

[ToonyLoons]

I would have perfered Thomas Jane, and I know they wanted to keep him also, but I understand why he left. Like I say, as long as it is a good movie, i am all for it.

[Lucy Diamond]

I really like Thomas Jane (from Thursday) but I never really got casting him as the Punisher.

Having said that, I think he did a good enough job and I really enjoyed the first movie. (I wish the director's cut was on Blu Ray.)

I'm going to be on board with this movie because of content, but I really can't stand the lack of continuity. I guess we are just going to have to treat them as two completely seperate entities...rather than a series.

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by darkpoet25

Isn't Ray Stevenson also playing Snake Eyes in the upcoming GI Joe movie, as well as having played Darth Maul?

Originally Posted by Heart_Collector

That was Ray Parks

Correct, this is the guy from the HBO series Rome. He played Titus Pullo.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Heart_Collector

But, most comic movies seem to be story-arcs ripped straight out of the comics...there's not a whole lot of originality on the writer's parts.

Yes, because when the writers take liberties with the characters and storylines the fans are lined up around the block to enjoy the movie... right? /sarcasm.

See: Superman Returns and the first Hulk movie for details on what I mean.

Logan

[Heart_Collector]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Yes, because when the writers take liberties with the characters and storylines the fans are lined up around the block to enjoy the movie... right? /sarcasm.

See: Superman Returns and the first Hulk movie for details on what I mean.

Logan

Point. But at the same time, 9 times out of 10 the fans ***** about the story arcs when they are used (See: The Phoenix Saga). Comics fans are a fickle bunch altogether I guess.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Heart_Collector

Point. But at the same time, 9 times out of 10 the fans ***** about the story arcs when they are used (See: The Phoenix Saga). Comics fans are a fickle bunch altogether I guess.

Good point.

However, there's a HUGE difference between using a story arc that is good and then using a story arc that is utter shite.

If they had done the Phoenix arc correctly it would have taken at least 2 more movies before the "Oh shit, Jean's evil" climax.

I mean the only reason that Cyclops was 'killed' {they always seem to get better} in the 3rd one was because James Marsters is a wank that wanted to get paddled on the bum by the director of Superman Returns {who I refuse to mention from here on out as he is dead to me}

If they had done it RIGHT with a few changes then comic fans would agree with it, the introduction of Wolverine wasn't the same as in the comics but comic fans {generally} got on board because it was done well and showed Wolvie as a badass.

Turning Wolverine into a sniveling shiteater in the 3rd is another bad point for the existence of the 3rd movie.

Logan

[Heart_Collector]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Good point.

However, there's a HUGE difference between using a story arc that is good and then using a story arc that is utter shite.

If they had done the Phoenix arc correctly it would have taken at least 2 more movies before the "Oh shit, Jean's evil" climax.

I mean the only reason that Cyclops was 'killed' {they always seem to get better} in the 3rd one was because James Marsters is a wank that wanted to get paddled on the bum by the director of Superman Returns {who I refuse to mention from here on out as he is dead to me}

If they had done it RIGHT with a few changes then comic fans would agree with it, the introduction of Wolverine wasn't the same as in the comics but comic fans {generally} got on board because it was done well and showed Wolvie as a badass.

Turning Wolverine into a sniveling shiteater in the 3rd is another bad point for the existence of the 3rd movie.

Logan

Haha. At least your not bitter. I did think it was funny Marsters got more screen time in SR then X2 & 3 combined. Whoever had the idea to use Cable (Days of Future Past, perhaps) to "erase" the third movie had a good idea, although I'm one of the few that liked X3 ok.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Heart_Collector

Haha. At least your not bitter. I did think it was funny Marsters got more screen time in SR then X2 & 3 combined. Whoever had the idea to use Cable (Days of Future Past, perhaps) to "erase" the third movie had a good idea, although I'm one of the few that liked X3 ok.

X3 was alright, if you ignore the first 2 and everything that has anything to do with the X-men from the 35 years previous in the comics.

Other than the entire backstory of the Marvel Universe, yeah, I guess X3 was an alright movie. *LOL*

Logan

[Heart_Collector]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

X3 was alright, if you ignore the first 2 and everything that has anything to do with the X-men from the 35 years previous in the comics.

Other than the entire backstory of the Marvel Universe, yeah, I guess X3 was an alright movie. *LOL*

Logan

HAHA. I'm almost sorry I said anything. Of course, I also kind of liked Daredevil (director's cut) and didn't hate Ang Lee's Hulk. The only one I didn't care as much for was the first Fantastic Four...too little action or anything comic book-y. Iron Man could have used some more in-armor action scenes (at least one), but liked it quite a bit.