Article: Blu-ray DVD format may not dominate for years - Blu-ray Forum

tron3 · 06-02-2008, 07:42 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080602/...tnRgNdi9QjtBAF

Basically, cost is blamed.

Blu Titan · 06-02-2008, 07:47 PM

Yahoo added that title. The same report is on cnn "Blu-ray Expected to dominate, but when?"

stockstar1138 · 06-02-2008, 07:50 PM

itll be sooner than people think. once players break that $200 barrier, we will begin seeing near 50-50 space alotted to BD at retail stores in comparison to DVD.

My predictions is we will see a sub $200 player this xmas and a sub $100 player next xmas.

Just remember last year, we were all excited because the BDP-S300 was only $499, now we have wal-mart selling $299 BDP-S300s. No doubt in my mind, prices will come down another $200 in the next 18 months during black friday and be $99 BD players at wal-mart.

TheTenth · 06-02-2008, 07:52 PM

always that video download crap, these movies are NOT REAL HD!!! it's 720p with DVD like bitrate!!!

tron3 · 06-02-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Yahoo added that title. The same report is on cnn "Blu-ray Expected to dominate, but when?"

My bad.

But as long as this thread is open.... Everyone knows it will take years. Why must it be reported as another doom and gloom message? We have enough destructive behavior happening to our economy. Do we need to tack-on the obvious as another negative?

The article states that blu-ray offers no space savings. UNTRUE. The cases are thinner and shorter. Not only can you line up more in a row, depending on your shelves, you may now be able to stack more.

CptGreedle · 06-02-2008, 07:55 PM

Oi... non-believers!
These reporters are such retards. How long did it take the DVD to dominate? More than a year!!!! It has been a few months and they are not giving it a chance! It is not likely to be as groundbreaking as the DVD format, but it should dominate in time.
Of COURSE BD won't dominate this year, OR next year... but i think they are fooling themselves if they thing people will not notice it cause I predict that, if things go the way they look like they will, BD will really take off in 2009 and start to make BIG WAVES in 2010. In fact, expect 2010 to be the year that Blu-ray will start becoming main stream. People will need new TVs in 2009, and those that get them are looking at HDTVs. People will see the sub-$200 price tags on BD players and see that they play DVDs and upsample them and figure they might as well get that with their TV.
It could take till 2011 to dominate, but it will be close in 2010.

Teazle · 06-02-2008, 07:55 PM

Stupid journalists. They just don't get it. Always looking only from the consumer's point of view -- as if it were up to us to decide what home video format is going to be the standard and when!

The industry, not the consumer, decided when it was time for VHS to die and for the new standard, DVD, to take over.

Now there is an industry consensus behind Blu. (Unlike last year and, NB, unlike with other home video formats such as Laserdisc.) DVD will die and Blu will dominate when the industry decides it is time for Blu to dominate.

When will that happen? It will happen in such a way as to maximize profit for the CEs and the studios based on margin and volume considerations. Gradual timetable. There's no hurry.

First kill the hardware -- the market is more or less saturated anyway. Then phase out the software by selectively omitting certain new releases for DVD. Happened before for VHS when there was no more money in VHS (or not enough compared to DVD).

Planned obsolescence. The plug _will_ be pulled on DVD. Why? Looking ahead, there's no longer enough money in it!

Memnoch71 · 06-02-2008, 08:02 PM

The Article did go on to point out that Blu-Ray is ahead of the curve when compared to DVD at the same point in it's life cycle. It was not an all Doom and Gloom article, but the Title of it sure made you think it was going to be.

WickyWoo · 06-02-2008, 08:32 PM

They're not journalists, they're stenographers. They go write down what each side says and publish it without doing any research into either of their claims. Here they're quoting the usual sources who are so afraid of being wrong about anything (or are being paid) that you can't get anything reliable from them.

There's only a handful of people on the national level anyone would lable actual journalists, and almost none of them are employed by a major news agency

Alan Gordon · 06-02-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

There's only a handful of people on the national level anyone would lable actual journalists, and almost none of them are employed by a major news agency

Journalism... RIP!!

~Alan

Bobby Henderson · 06-02-2008, 08:43 PM

The nature of the press is to find anything negative about a given topic and amplify it to a widely spun and biased extreme. They rarely ever have anything good to say on any subject. Controversy sells. Nice news doesn't. Or at least that's what they think.

tron3 · 06-02-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CptGreedle

... It is not likely to be as groundbreaking as the DVD format, but it should dominate in time.....

Rethink that statement a bit Cpt, as I know you are smarter than that. The functional benefits of disc over VHS are certainly unchanged, but the picture and sound certainly ARE ground breaking. Not to mention the upcoming bells and whistles we so hotly debate as being great or a waste of space.

I am probably first to point out that movie watching is a passive activity. Once the movie is in motion it requires NO activity on my part short of munching on popcorn or hitting pause for a potty break. I just think some of this "value-added" entertainment shinola is could shift market perception from "Greatest home video system ever created" to "most pathetic pc you ever owned."

PS3 owners will disagree, but I have to point out the selling point of a PS3 is gaming with BD support as a strong second. Let's not turn BD players into "Play Station 2.5" gaming systems as well.

dialog_gvf · 06-02-2008, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron3

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080602/...tnRgNdi9QjtBAF

Basically, cost is blamed.

Quote:

Blu-ray stomped HD DVD to become the standard format for high-definition movie discs, but years may pass before it can claim victory over the good old DVD.

(1) Is this at all surprising?
(2) Wasn't this the same for DVD over VHS?

I've noticed the measure of Blu-ray success seems to be way beyond anything else. Anything short of total dominance by last Thursday seems to be attacked as a failure in progress.

Gary

Ferris · 06-02-2008, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

I've noticed the measure of Blu-ray success seems to be way beyond anything else. Anything short of total dominance by last Thursday seems to be attacked as a failure in progress.

I really don't think it can be said any better than this. And, you know, it's not just with Blu-ray. It's anything. It's called sensationalization, and these people will talk to anyone who will listen. It's just sensationalism via desperation.

dadkins · 06-02-2008, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

(1) Is this at all surprising?
(2) Wasn't this the same for DVD over VHS?

Spot on.

06-02-2008, 07:42 PM	#1
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	Article: Blu-ray DVD format may not dominate for years http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080602/...tnRgNdi9QjtBAF Basically, cost is blamed.

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Blu Titan Super Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Edo, Land of the Samurai Home Theater Gallery:42 4K collection:41 Blu-ray collection:2864 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:92	Yahoo added that title. The same report is on cnn "Blu-ray Expected to dominate, but when?"

06-02-2008, 07:50 PM	#3
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	itll be sooner than people think. once players break that $200 barrier, we will begin seeing near 50-50 space alotted to BD at retail stores in comparison to DVD. My predictions is we will see a sub $200 player this xmas and a sub $100 player next xmas. Just remember last year, we were all excited because the BDP-S300 was only $499, now we have wal-mart selling $299 BDP-S300s. No doubt in my mind, prices will come down another $200 in the next 18 months during black friday and be $99 BD players at wal-mart.

06-02-2008, 07:52 PM	#4
TheTenth Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Clermont-Ferrand, France Home Theater Gallery:9 4K collection:98 Blu-ray collection:681 DVD collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:11	always that video download crap, these movies are NOT REAL HD!!! it's 720p with DVD like bitrate!!!

06-02-2008, 07:55 PM	#6
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Oi... non-believers! These reporters are such retards. How long did it take the DVD to dominate? More than a year!!!! It has been a few months and they are not giving it a chance! It is not likely to be as groundbreaking as the DVD format, but it should dominate in time. Of COURSE BD won't dominate this year, OR next year... but i think they are fooling themselves if they thing people will not notice it cause I predict that, if things go the way they look like they will, BD will really take off in 2009 and start to make BIG WAVES in 2010. In fact, expect 2010 to be the year that Blu-ray will start becoming main stream. People will need new TVs in 2009, and those that get them are looking at HDTVs. People will see the sub-$200 price tags on BD players and see that they play DVDs and upsample them and figure they might as well get that with their TV. It could take till 2011 to dominate, but it will be close in 2010.

06-02-2008, 07:55 PM	#7
Teazle Power Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Blu-ray reviews:1	Stupid journalists. They just don't get it. Always looking only from the consumer's point of view -- as if it were up to us to decide what home video format is going to be the standard and when! The industry, not the consumer, decided when it was time for VHS to die and for the new standard, DVD, to take over. Now there is an industry consensus behind Blu. (Unlike last year and, NB, unlike with other home video formats such as Laserdisc.) DVD will die and Blu will dominate when the industry decides it is time for Blu to dominate. When will that happen? It will happen in such a way as to maximize profit for the CEs and the studios based on margin and volume considerations. Gradual timetable. There's no hurry. First kill the hardware -- the market is more or less saturated anyway. Then phase out the software by selectively omitting certain new releases for DVD. Happened before for VHS when there was no more money in VHS (or not enough compared to DVD). Planned obsolescence. The plug _will_ be pulled on DVD. Why? Looking ahead, there's no longer enough money in it!

06-02-2008, 08:02 PM	#8
Memnoch71 Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Somewhere between here and there 4K collection:34 Blu-ray collection:252	The Article did go on to point out that Blu-Ray is ahead of the curve when compared to DVD at the same point in it's life cycle. It was not an all Doom and Gloom article, but the Title of it sure made you think it was going to be.

06-02-2008, 08:32 PM	#9
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	They're not journalists, they're stenographers. They go write down what each side says and publish it without doing any research into either of their claims. Here they're quoting the usual sources who are so afraid of being wrong about anything (or are being paid) that you can't get anything reliable from them. There's only a handful of people on the national level anyone would lable actual journalists, and almost none of them are employed by a major news agency

06-02-2008, 08:43 PM	#11
Bobby Henderson Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Oklahoma Blu-ray collection:96 Blu-ray reviews: 12	The nature of the press is to find anything negative about a given topic and amplify it to a widely spun and biased extreme. They rarely ever have anything good to say on any subject. Controversy sells. Nice news doesn't. Or at least that's what they think.

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