Uh OH...AVC sharper than VC-1(Flags review) - Blu-ray Forum

shamus · 05-21-2007, 06:55 AM

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In a side by side comparison of the film between the the AVC MPEG-4 transfer on this Blu-ray version and the VC-1 transfer on the HD DVD, it does seem that the Blu-ray/AVC encode is the tiniest bit sharper, while the HD DVD/VC-1 is the slightest bit softer.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/flagsofourfathers.html

Scorxpion · 05-21-2007, 07:01 AM

YES AVC is far better than VC-1 and hopefully HD-DVD fans not keeping living in illusion and confess that they have a loosing format.

WriteSimply · 05-21-2007, 07:07 AM

A loose format? Eeep. Bring in the Depends.

An R-rated box set and two PG-13 movies battle it out on Tuesday. It's gonna get ugly.

fuad

GTP · 05-21-2007, 07:07 AM

When you factor in Peters obvious hd dvd bias as well as my 110" screen...its more than just a little sharper would probably more accurate.

NutsAboutPS3 · 05-21-2007, 07:20 AM

Is it possible that some of the extra sharpness comes from a higher bitrate for the Blu-ray version, rather than the codec per se? Do we know how much space on the disc each version uses for the video?

I was quite shocked to find out that the HD-DVD Matrix only uses 15.6GB for the main video stream, an average bitrate of around 16-17Mbps, it's not surprising there's some posterization in places at such a pathetic bitrate.

HDJK · 05-21-2007, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

Is it possible that some of the extra sharpness comes from a higher bitrate for the Blu-ray version, rather than the codec per se? Do we know how much space on the disc each version uses for the video?

I was quite shocked to find out that the HD-DVD Matrix only uses 15.6GB for the main video stream, an average bitrate of around 16-17Mbps, it's not surprising there's some posterization in places at such a pathetic bitrate.

That's odd, HDD gave the Matrix trilogy 5 stars for PQ

phloyd · 05-21-2007, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

Is it possible that some of the extra sharpness comes from a higher bitrate for the Blu-ray version, rather than the codec per se?

I would not be surprised if bitrate plays a key role - and even better for Bluray if it does - it shows one of the largest oversights for HD DVD.

I expect that if Paramount continues to release AVC HD DVDs (Norbit apparently will be the next one) we will eventually get a chance to compare a high bitrate AVC to HD DVD bitrate AVC encode.

blitz6speed · 05-21-2007, 08:00 AM

It just gets worse from here.. Top Gun is going to be hd-dvd/bd with the same combo of AVC/VC-1. Ontop of that, it will be paramounts FIRST hd release with lossless sound, BD gets PCM, hd-dvd gets TrueHD.

Bring it on paramount!

Helicon · 05-21-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by blitz6speed

It just gets worse from here.. Top Gun is going to be hd-dvd/bd with the same combo of AVC/VC-1. Ontop of that, it will be paramounts FIRST hd release with lossless sound, BD gets PCM, hd-dvd gets TrueHD.

Bring it on paramount!

Paramount Blu-ray titles with PCM... Yes sir

Spankey · 05-21-2007, 09:35 AM

I haven't looked yet, but did Peter rate the titles equally or mard HD-DVD down...

Let's go see...

Nope...5 stars for both. Figures..

The Don · 05-21-2007, 09:52 AM

it's funny that the HDDVD version apparently has better audio quality...

I don't even know how that's possible..

Ascended_Saiyan · 05-21-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by blitz6speed

It just gets worse from here.. Top Gun is going to be hd-dvd/bd with the same combo of AVC/VC-1. Ontop of that, it will be paramounts FIRST hd release with lossless sound, BD gets PCM, hd-dvd gets TrueHD.

Bring it on paramount!

I can't stop shaking!

Deciazulado · 05-21-2007, 10:48 AM

Then TG should look better than this and make you shake more

nhaase · 05-21-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don

it's funny that the HDDVD version apparently has better audio quality...

I don't even know how that's possible..

The a**holes gave HDDVD dolby digital plus, at 1.5 MBps, and BD got Dolby Digital at 640 KBps. Why? I don't know, the BD has enough room for a PCM track.

WriteSimply · 05-21-2007, 01:23 PM

The Navy can deny it for all they want but they were the ones pushing for the inclusion of gays in the military...

Top Gun & Tarantino

It clearly caused the boom in the recruitment. But they didn't expected the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy though.

fuad

HDJK · 05-21-2007, 01:43 PM

Maximus · 05-21-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nhaase

The *******s gave HDDVD dolby digital plus, at 1.5 MBps, and BD got Dolby Digital at 640 KBps. Why? I don't know, the BD has enough room for a PCM track.

According to Roger Dressler the BD DD is equivalent to HD DVD's DD+. Something to do with more efficient packing on BD allows Dolby Labs to use less space for equivalent sound.

The Big Blue · 05-21-2007, 03:55 PM

More good news for HD DVD.

KenThompson · 05-21-2007, 04:20 PM

We sure do seem to be getting alot of great 4.5 and 5 star movies from AVC. Wonder if Sony is releasing the Fifth Element remaster in AVC.Heres to high bit rates and picture perfect movies and death call to HD Dead and their once proud belief they were better.

GTP · 05-21-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KenThompson

We sure do seem to be getting alot of great 4.5 and 5 star movies from AVC. Wonder if Sony is releasing the Fifth Element remaster in AVC.Heres to high bit rates and picture perfect movies and death call to HD Dead and their once proud belief they were better.

I believe its going to be AVC with both PCM and DD-THD.

05-21-2007, 09:35 AM	#10
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	I haven't looked yet, but did Peter rate the titles equally or mard HD-DVD down... Let's go see... Nope...5 stars for both. Figures.. Last edited by Spankey; 05-21-2007 at 09:37 AM.

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05-21-2007, 07:01 AM	#2
Scorxpion Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Middle East,Lebanon Blu-ray collection:57	YES AVC is far better than VC-1 and hopefully HD-DVD fans not keeping living in illusion and confess that they have a loosing format.

05-21-2007, 07:07 AM	#3
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	A loose format? Eeep. Bring in the Depends. An R-rated box set and two PG-13 movies battle it out on Tuesday. It's gonna get ugly. fuad

05-21-2007, 07:07 AM	#4
GTP Expert Member Member since:Jan 2006 Trading Score:1	When you factor in Peters obvious hd dvd bias as well as my 110" screen...its more than just a little sharper would probably more accurate.

05-21-2007, 07:20 AM	#5
NutsAboutPS3 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:UK Blu-ray reviews:1	Is it possible that some of the extra sharpness comes from a higher bitrate for the Blu-ray version, rather than the codec per se? Do we know how much space on the disc each version uses for the video? I was quite shocked to find out that the HD-DVD Matrix only uses 15.6GB for the main video stream, an average bitrate of around 16-17Mbps, it's not surprising there's some posterization in places at such a pathetic bitrate.

05-21-2007, 08:00 AM	#8
blitz6speed Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Anaheim Hills, CA Trading Score:8	It just gets worse from here.. Top Gun is going to be hd-dvd/bd with the same combo of AVC/VC-1. Ontop of that, it will be paramounts FIRST hd release with lossless sound, BD gets PCM, hd-dvd gets TrueHD. Bring it on paramount!

05-21-2007, 09:52 AM	#11
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	it's funny that the HDDVD version apparently has better audio quality... I don't even know how that's possible..

05-21-2007, 10:48 AM	#13
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1160 Blu-ray collection:7047 DVD collection:4044	Then TG should look better than this and make you shake more

05-21-2007, 01:23 PM	#15
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	The Navy can deny it for all they want but they were the ones pushing for the inclusion of gays in the military... Top Gun & Tarantino It clearly caused the boom in the recruitment. But they didn't expected the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy though. fuad

05-21-2007, 01:43 PM	#16
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05-21-2007, 03:55 PM	#18
The Big Blue Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:98 Blu-ray reviews:1	More good news for HD DVD.

05-21-2007, 04:20 PM	#19
KenThompson Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Location:B.C. Canada	We sure do seem to be getting alot of great 4.5 and 5 star movies from AVC. Wonder if Sony is releasing the Fifth Element remaster in AVC.Heres to high bit rates and picture perfect movies and death call to HD Dead and their once proud belief they were better.

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