(BOOK SPOILERS) Game of Thrones Series Discussion for Book Readers

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by sycro

I would like her on the show, but in the published books, she's a very minor character. They've cut far more important characters.

A minor character?

I know people like to consider her a completely separate character because of the whole undead thing, but it is still technically Catelyn Stark. An undead Catelyn Stark, but still.

This is not leaving out a minor character. It's changing the story of a major character.

Besides, we don't yet know what GRRM will do with her in the final books. I highly doubt he'd bring a character back from the friggin' grave for no particular reason.

[sycro]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

A minor character?

I know people like to consider her a completely separate character because of the whole undead thing, but it is still technically Catelyn Stark. An undead Catelyn Stark, but still.

This is not leaving out a minor character. It's changing the story of a major character.

She appears in 2 scenes in 3 books.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by sycro

She appears in 2 scenes in 3 books.

And Theon Greyjoy was completely absent for 2 whole books. So what?

[sycro]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

And Theon Greyjoy was completely absent for 2 whole books. So what?

Those are her only 2 undead scenes we know of. Sure, we know she has at least 1 more, but until we know her book story, I have no problem with the show considering her expendable.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

And Theon Greyjoy was completely absent for 2 whole books. So what?

And did you miss him Anyhow, the key difference would be that Theon didn't die in prev. books and C.S. did, in a dramatic manner I might add.

Her whole resurrection/zombification thing was hardly worth the effort. 2 minor episodes in 2 books, and an assumption(or a hope) that she will become more important...
Beric Dondarion could do all that, and after RW he'd be quite eager to hang a few Freys. I doubt he'll be friendly to Jamie Lannister either.
I dunno why it is necessary to have irrational, erratically behaving zombie in the show anyway.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Zvi

And did you miss him Anyhow, the key difference would be that Theon didn't die in prev. books and C.S. did, in a dramatic manner I might add.

Her whole resurrection/zombification thing was hardly worth the effort. 2 minor episodes in 2 books, and an assumption(or a hope) that she will become more important...
Beric Dondarion could do all that, and after RW he'd be quite eager to hang a few Freys. I doubt he'll be friendly to Jamie Lannister either.
I dunno why it is necessary to have irrational, erratically behaving zombie in the show anyway.

in comes Robert Strong who is REALLY pointless to the plot at least Lady Stonheart is set up with Brotherhood without Banners, Brienne, Poddrick and Jaime and she is the mother of the Stark kids. Robert Strong is NOTHING to the story

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by mredman

in comes Robert Strong who is REALLY pointless to the plot at least Lady Stonheart is set up with Brotherhood without Banners, Brienne, Poddrick and Jaime and she is the mother of the Stark kids. Robert Strong is NOTHING to the story

Can't argue with that He's supposed to fight for Cersei, and I am not sure he will survive that fight, but who knows. There were lots of characters already introduced and killed off promptly.

One bad doesn't make another bad right, that'd be my point.

[BanditoDorito]

Lady Stoneheart might have some important role to play in the coming books. One theory I had after reading the 5th book was to have Lady Stoneheart find Jon Snow's body and breathe her life into Jon Snow, thus sacrificing herself and giving life back to the bastard child she once hated?

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by BanditoDorito

Lady Stoneheart might have some important role to play in the coming books. One theory I had after reading the 5th book was to have Lady Stoneheart find Jon Snow's body and breathe her life into Jon Snow, thus sacrificing herself and giving life back to the bastard child she once hated?

Resurrection of Stoneheart was already full of coincidences.
Arya being in Braavos, warging into Nymeria without actually knowing anything about warging.
Then warged Nymeria happens to find C.S. body in the river.
Which happens to be just in time to be still resurrection worthy. Although one would think a body in the water after 3 days would be beyond that.
Body is dragged to the shore.
And then Beric's crew happens to find that body, again, just in time, before animals get to it, or further decomposition. They recognize who that is, which should've been quite hard after after 3 days in the water.
Finally resurrection procedure, btw first time we learn "kiss of death" is possible.
And after all that we have 2 minor episodes with her in 2 very large books.

Now LS would have to travel all the way to the wall, where Snow's body has to be kept intact, which we know isn't likely, they burn all the bodies as soon as they can..
Or that body has to be teleported to LS, who then will have to have a sudden change of heart and give her life for a child she always hated.

[BanditoDorito]

Originally Posted by Zvi

Resurrection of Stoneheart was already full of coincidences.
Arya being in Braavos, warging into Nymeria without actually knowing anything about warging.
Then warged Nymeria happens to find C.S. body in the river.
Which happens to be just in time to be still resurrection worthy. Although one would think a body in the water after 3 days would be beyond that.
Body is dragged to the shore.
And then Beric's crew happens to find that body, again, just in time, before animals get to it, or further decomposition. They recognize who that is, which should've been quite hard after after 3 days in the water.
Finally resurrection procedure, btw first time we learn "kiss of death" is possible.
And after all that we have 2 minor episodes with her in 2 very large books.

Now LS would have to travel all the way to the wall, where Snow's body has to be kept intact, which we know isn't likely, they burn all the bodies as soon as they can..
Or that body has to be teleported to LS, who then will have to have a sudden change of heart and give her life for a child she always hated.

The show did hint that Catelyn actually did care for Jon Snow when she was telling that story to Talisa about how she was praying for Jon Snow when he was sick as a child. Could be foreshadowing?

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by BanditoDorito

The show did hint that Catelyn actually did care for Jon Snow when she was telling that story to Talisa about how she was praying for Jon Snow when he was sick as a child. Could be foreshadowing?

She also said she couldn't make herself to fulfill the promise she made during those prayers, i.e. never asked Ned to legitimize Jon as Stark family.

I dunno, it can be a foreshadowing, or it can be Catelyn being remorseful for what she did back then, after all she was a real biatch to Jon in S1, whenever she had a chance to interact with him.

In the end, the showrunners are free to adapt as they see fit, and calling them names because one deranged character is not gonna reappear is rather excessive.
Frankly, Catelyn Start did considerable damage to Starks while she was alive, and LS two minor episodes later on are nothing important to cry a river about that

[ck19]

I still believe that character will make an appearance this season and it will be only 2 or 3 scenes this season. I think the fact that Brienne sees Arya will come into play before she is hung.

[sycro]

Originally Posted by ck19

I still believe that character will make an appearance this season and it will be only 2 or 3 scenes this season. I think the fact that Brienne sees Arya will come into play before she is hung.

But she wasn't hung.

[frogmort]

I may just be reading too much into this, but from the quote Aragorn the Elfstone posted of the interview with Michelle Fairley in Entertainment Weekly:


EW: "There was a lot of online conversation. I heard third-hand that you were basically told that it’s not likely to ever happen. Is that accurate?"

MF: "Yeah, the character’s dead. She’s dead."



Well, I just read the scene in A Feast for Crows where Brienne is about to be hung:


"Her face, Brienne thought. Her face was so strong and handsome, her skin so smooth and soft. 'Lady Catelyn?' Tears filled her eyes. 'They said... they said that you were dead.'

'She is,' said Thoros of Myr."

[Zvi]

S5 will be 10 episodes. Each apisode is 50-55 mins, finale might be longer. So, we have about 600 mins of material in S5
Out of that, LS would (or will occupy) about 10-15 minutes total.

Now, those must be some oscar and emmy winning 15 mins to worry about LS so much. But whatever makes U guys happy

I'm more concerned GoT sticking to the books 4,5 too close, which WILL make S5 real bore fest, than about one zombified lady showing her disfigured face for 15 mins, to hang couple dudes we have hardly ever seen on screen. Yeah, ok she's gonna hiss a few words at Brianne and then let her go, now that's worth a lot!

[Edword]

Originally Posted by Zvi

S5 will be 10 episodes. Each apisode is 50-55 mins, finale might be longer. So, we have about 600 mins of material in S5
Out of that, LS would (or will occupy) about 10-15 minutes total.

Now, those must be some oscar and emmy winning 15 mins to worry about LS so much. But whatever makes U guys happy

I'm more concerned GoT sticking to the books 4,5 too close, which WILL make S5 real bore fest, than about one zombified lady showing her disfigured face for 15 mins, to hang couple dudes we have hardly ever seen on screen. Yeah, ok she's gonna hiss a few words at Brianne and then let her go, now that's worth a lot!

Kind of how I feel now about her. Yes it'd be nice to include her in the show, but at this point she doesn't have much of a story. Although that could change if she gets more book time in the last two.

Although I do think she'll have a bigger role in the last 2 books. Why would GRRM bring back a character like that just to be minor?

I'm also wondering how much of Bran we will see next season.

[Optimus]

Originally Posted by Edword

Kind of how I feel now about her. Yes it'd be nice to include her in the show, but at this point she doesn't have much of a story. Although that could change if she gets more book time in the last two.

Although I do think she'll have a bigger role in the last 2 books. Why would GRRM bring back a character like that just to be minor?

I'm also wondering how much of Bran we will see next season.

He's an ******* that likes to **** with people?

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by Edword

Kind of how I feel now about her. Yes it'd be nice to include her in the show, but at this point she doesn't have much of a story.

Yup, definitely not enough to get riled up about her absence.

Originally Posted by Edword

Although I do think she'll have a bigger role in the last 2 books. Why would GRRM bring back a character like that just to be minor?

Hmm, the way last 2 books were written, I dunno. He seems to be just wandering through characters and places. One Dornish prince was offed to have Tyrian's sentence secured, another was offed just to release dragons, and a lot of others were also killed off without playing major role. Don't have high hopes for LS either. Potential encounter with Jamie Lannister is probably the only reason I'd think she'll show up.

Originally Posted by Edword

I'm also wondering how much of Bran we will see next season.

Without considerably diverging from the books very little and very boring at that.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Zvi

Without considerably diverging from the books very little and very boring at that.

Diverging? Moving past is more like it. Bran can't really appear at all next season otherwise.

[mredman]

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damn people are not happy if this is true. well then again Actors on different shows like Revenge,TVD,ORIGINALS,X-Fringe,Fringe and Dallas ect have said they are done on their

Cottillard and Nolan said once that Cotillard wasn't Talia Ghul in Dark Knight Rises guess what she was Talia, Benedict Cumberbatch when said i am not Khan on star trek 2, guess what he was Khan in Star Trek 2, Abrams said he wasn't directing Star Wars 7. Well guess what he is directing it. There has been endless of cases where actors, directors has lied to keep a secret.

Why would they introduce BWB, show resurrection on Beric,Thoros on BWB as well i mean what is really the point of these people in BWB if not later to introduce LS, If she was cut they could just have regular people be in the BWB and skip characters like Beric and Thoros. Not to mention BWB is nothing without her its first when she becomes the leader they come out from their small business why would that be different on the show the books are based on.

Then there is now Brienne and her oathkeeper sword and her oath and pledge to Cat that they keep refering to i mean for what if not for LS to come back and bite her in the ass with their confrontation.

Why have a family Arya and The Hound was with say that Freys will pay for killing a guest in their home if they will never follow up on it. Then the whole story with the Rat Cook from Bran as well. What was that for. If she is not on the show then ALL of these storylines will be for NOTHING

Plus we already know that she will have some major arcs coming up with BWB,Brienne;Poddrick,Jaime they have all been set up to meet her, They put Brienne and Pod together searching for Stark girls, Why put these 2 together if also not for them to run into BWB and LS..

It simply does not make a lick of sense she is cut then they would never have introduced all those elements she has interactions with. They basically set up 95% for her to appear everyone she interacts with in the books is in the show.

But if they really have cut her then they have wasted 3 seasons of her to be set up. I mean that is just the dumbest thing any showrunner has done for any show