Nightbreed: The Director's Cut (1990) (Limited Edition - SOLD OUT)

[Lacrymosa]

Originally Posted by DMRI2006

IMO it's a perfectly relevant discussion as that's not the case anymore. Between Twilight Time, Shout, even Kino now getting involved in catalog titles, that "much more affordable" price tag is going up. Some by a few dollars more than others, but the general trend is upwards. Given the state of the industry, BD is growing more like laserdisc by the day -- and it's not going to change. Major studios aren't going to come back to the format in droves...they're moving away from it, at least as far as these type of releases go (sadly), and smaller labels are picking up the slack. At least there are more of them than in the laserdisc era.

The "much more affordable" price that I am referring to is still on average easily under $30, it doesn't take much looking around to see that. And even with the higher prices, from some companies, now, that just further solidifies my point that we are not used to the higher price tags of blu-ray - perhaps when it first began, but prices have decreased since then, so to go back up in price after being used to lower prices we are not accustomed to spending that much on a blu-ray - those high prices are not the norm - is the key element here, no matter which way you look at it.
Again - laserdiscs were all similarly priced high, blu-ray has not been like that - therefore high prices of laserdiscs would be less likely to have caused as much negative response because that was the only price people knew. With blurays this is not the case, we've been able to get blu-rays for cheaper, and in some cases, much cheaper prices, than laserdiscs. Maybe irrelevant is not the word to best describe it, but the comparison is unfair and my point point is: the mind set of what it cost to buy movies/home media is very different now than it was 20+ years ago. The comparison of laserdisc to bluray prices is more complicated than just saying "they were higher".

[Rz_Samurai]

I completely understand what you are saying and i agree, i am not disagreeing with you.

But this is my opinion and my thought on it and i will still stand that $80 for a single film is ridiculous considering this isn't even a Steelbook or digibook. Yes like you stated that it was extremely hard to get what he needed and blah, blah, blah but at the end of the day the makers are still going to make money regardless on how much they sell the blu ray for weather it is 25 bucks or 50 bucks or 80 bucks.

Nobody ever loses, it is just like when you go to a car dealership and buy a car. If they are asking 30K for the car and you try and fight and get car down to 27K, they are still no matter what making a HUGE profit and making money.

Originally Posted by dsman71

This was all clearly explained by Jeff at Scream Factory, it might be one film but there were tons of expenses involved in putting this movie together, for all the fans who wanted it so badly. This might not be the first film to get a full remaster but as Jeff did say a lot of money went into this.
First we get whines about it not getting a blu ray release
Then Scream announces it, suddenly there are whines about the lack of updates
Then , when Scream gives a crystal clear update about the release, and they explained the costs, the reasoning for it, and now there is even more whining about the price tag.
I swear there is more "whine" in this forum than a liquor store

Remember they created this package for YOU - the fans and collectors of this film, not for themselves. They put a lot of time effort, and a lot $$$ for this product. If you cant afford to buy the LE , don't, but you are depriving yourself of the best USA release the movie will have and if you change your mind later, it will cost more from scalpers.

On top of that there is the less expensive edition version of the Cabal Cut - which is also a great idea to have an alternate option , if you already own the Warner DVD of the *cut* version... The blu ray cabal cut is under 25.00 at Shouts Website.

On still on top of that Diabolik and Amazon might carry the LE for less than 80.00

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by BrandonJF

Or there are people who do not consider $80 a significant amount of money and lose zero sleep over buying it. Shout probably assumes there are at least 1,000 people who have $80 to throw at it (what gets sold by other retailers, like Amazon, will more than likely be discounted, but I know that everyone is a "sucker" if they even spend $60).

couldn't agree more, if you make a good living or even a decent living dropping 80 bucks on something you want isn't a big deal at all. I drop 80 bucks on food sometimes in a week and thats gone 7 days later, same can be said about going out for the night or out to dinner.. I make money to spend money, I have also worked hard to get where i am so i do as i please

Also SF is doing the right thing by consumers. they are giving an option to choose from. Unlike a lot of other studios which will give you one release and tell you to have a nice day

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by Rz_Samurai

I completely understand what you are saying and i agree, i am not disagreeing with you.

But this is my opinion and my thought on it and i will still stand that $80 for a single film is ridiculous considering this isn't even a Steelbook or digibook. Yes like you stated that it was extremely hard to get what he needed and blah, blah, blah but at the end of the day the makers are still going to make money regardless on how much they sell the blu ray for weather it is 25 bucks or 50 bucks or 80 bucks.

Nobody ever loses, it is just like when you go to a car dealership and buy a car. If they are asking 30K for the car and you try and fight and get car down to 27K, they are still no matter what making a HUGE profit and making money.

I know that..I understand where you stand by your opinion, it is a hefty amount but I understand the why's..and business is about making profits, a little or a HUGE amount. But it is an *LE* release and when they are sold out the only way to get one is through a scalper.
Makes you wonder about the pending news about the upcoming blu ray of Lord of Illusions

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by MTRodaba2468

I'm frankly stunned that not only are they using the actual film elements for the cut footage, but the theatrical cut is being included as well.

That right there sold me, it's the most expensive Blu-ray I have bough to date ($98) with shipping to Canada, I'm mot happy with the price like a lot of you but I would hate missing out even more if I didn't get this, and I'm sure the price will skyrocket once it sells out.

I'm sure the high price has something to do WB licensing, the extras are an extra enticement to get the more expensive release. Like others have already said October is going to be very expensive for me, excuse me while I go out and sell some blood

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by Lacrymosa

This Laserdisc comparison that people keep throwing around is really not relevant. Laserdiscs were all similarly priced high. There was no reason for people to expect lower prices - perhaps they wanted lower prices, but it wouldn't be expected. The reason for people's surprise with the high price points for a number of blu-rays is because these are not common prices. And of course usually there are reasons for the higher price like with Demons, this, and Possession (to name a few more recent ones) - but it doesn't make the higher price point easy to swallow for everyone. Again becasue it's not the norm - like it was for laserdisc - it's a different mind set now, with the advent of DVD/Blu-ray, where movies can be had for much more affordable prices.
So yes, some poeople will complain, some people won't, but the laserdisc comparison is irrelevant.
Personally, although I've presented as skeptical in my previous posts, if the transfer is as stunning as other high priced releases, then it makes the investment more worth it.

First world problems.

Post of the past few months. 100%

[bkhage01]

Originally Posted by Lacrymosa

This Laserdisc comparison that people keep throwing around is really not relevant. Laserdiscs were all similarly priced high. There was no reason for people to expect lower prices - perhaps they wanted lower prices, but it wouldn't be expected. The reason for people's surprise with the high price points for a number of blu-rays is because these are not common prices. And of course usually there are reasons for the higher price like with Demons, this, and Possession (to name a few more recent ones) - but it doesn't make the higher price point easy to swallow for everyone. Again becasue it's not the norm - like it was for laserdisc - it's a different mind set now, with the advent of DVD/Blu-ray, where movies can be had for much more affordable prices.
So yes, some poeople will complain, some people won't, but the laserdisc comparison is irrelevant.
Personally, although I've presented as skeptical in my previous posts, if the transfer is as stunning as other high priced releases, then it makes the investment more worth it.

First world problems.

Excellent point.

[chris_sc77]

After mulling the 3 disk sets exorbitant price tag I think i have lost a lot of my love for the entire Blu-ray format.
Hard to be excited for future releases if this is something that will become standard practice.
I have spent 15 years building a library on DVD and Blu-ray because it was a n affordable way to build a film collection.
But when it is $80 for a single film with the same amount of extras we got on great catalog releases 10 years ago then whats the point?
Its no longer fun

[BluMonday]

Originally Posted by Lacrymosa

This Laserdisc comparison that people keep throwing around is really not relevant. Laserdiscs were all similarly priced high. There was no reason for people to expect lower prices - perhaps they wanted lower prices, but it wouldn't be expected.

Lower prices are all about context. In the early 90's, your average laserdisc was $25 and that was cheaper than buying a VHS that wasn't used a million times from the video rental store. Laserdiscs had a lot of numbered/limited editions/gift sets that were 3-4 times the price of regular laserdiscs ($50-$250 range). And yeah they came out with bare-bones versions, too. I had HELLRAISER, PHANTASM, JAWS, STAR WARS TRILOGY, and some others that I forgot because it's been 20 years now and I sold them all back in 2002 or so. That's why I at least was bringing up the laserdisc comparison. Nobody back then complained, but then again the internet wasn't around, haha.

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by coldheart

Ordered the LE no questions asked.Blu-rays are having a slow death,so prices are going to be higher.You can go to Wal-Mart and see there movie section getting smaller and smaller.Thats my two cent.

you should save your 2 cents, this statement couldn't be more absurd

[klauswhereareyou]

I've lost my smile.

[JohnCarpenterLives]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

excuse me while I go out and sell some blood

I wonder if I should sell some blood...
Gas money, once in a while, would be nice.

[stvn1974]

All of these great releases the last few months and the upcoming months has re-introduced me to my love of peanut butter and jelly sammiches and mac and cheese.

[Optimus-Prime-Rox]

So the theatrical version will come in the special edition set or is this news wrong?

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releas...cabal-cut.html

The Special Edition collection will include:
• Disc 1: Unrated Director’s Cut of the film on Blu-ray
• Disc 2: The 1990 R-Rated theatrical version of the film on Blu-ray (through a special licensing agreement through Warner Bros.)
• Collector’s Book with an essay and rare photos
• Slipcase includes newly designed artwork approved by Clive Barker
• $29.93 SRP

[tommynorcal]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

I've lost my smile.

Best post of the thread

[nymets24]

Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime-Rox

So the theatrical version will come in the special edition set or is this news wrong?

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releas...cabal-cut.html

The Special Edition collection will include:
• Disc 1: Unrated Director’s Cut of the film on Blu-ray
• Disc 2: The 1990 R-Rated theatrical version of the film on Blu-ray (through a special licensing agreement through Warner Bros.)
• Collector’s Book with an essay and rare photos
• Slipcase includes newly designed artwork approved by Clive Barker
• $29.93 SRP

The SE includes the director's cut on both BD & DVD. The LE is the only version that includes the theatrical version.

[tommynorcal]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

After mulling the 3 disk sets exorbitant price tag I think i have lost a lot of my love for the entire Blu-ray format.
Hard to be excited for future releases if this is something that will become standard practice.
I have spent 15 years building a library on DVD and Blu-ray because it was a n affordable way to build a film collection.
But when it is $80 for a single film with the same amount of extras we got on great catalog releases 10 years ago then whats the point?
Its no longer fun

Trust me, this is not going to be standard practice. These things will happen for the most niche and most labor intensive releases. Demons and the Argento movies from Synapse were EXTREMELY expensive to license in comparison to say, Street Trash. Possession had a long nightmare of legal issues if I am not mistaken, and the delays must have been a huge expense to Mondovision. Nightbreed has been worked on since like 2003, and locating/remastering the lost footage, and licensing the theatrical title on top of the production of all the special features had to have set back SCREAM a lot of dough. Its all a case to case basis as far as price goes, especially for smaller more independent distributors. I wouldn't worry about these prices becoming the standard, especially since you get the option for a $22 version that still gives you version of the film people have wanted since the studio version film was released in 1990.

Also, its $80 for brand new extras that you didnt get on this film ever, so that last point you made is confusing as hell.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

After mulling the 3 disk sets exorbitant price tag I think i have lost a lot of my love for the entire Blu-ray format.
Hard to be excited for future releases if this is something that will become standard practice.
I have spent 15 years building a library on DVD and Blu-ray because it was a n affordable way to build a film collection.
But when it is $80 for a single film with the same amount of extras we got on great catalog releases 10 years ago then whats the point?
Its no longer fun

You do realize this is a unique circumstance right? The amount of effort, restoration costs, licensing fees, etc. are the reason why the price is so high. It's not going to be a standard practice.

[Optimus-Prime-Rox]

Originally Posted by nymets24

The SE includes the director's cut on both BD & DVD. The LE is the only version that includes the theatrical version.

So the DVD Active site did screw up the news or maybe Shout Factory changed things.

[David A.]

Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime-Rox

So the theatrical version will come in the special edition set or is this news wrong?

That's wrong. The second disc on that set is the DVD of the director's cut. Warner would only license the theatrical version if there were a limited number of copies made.