Help picking a sub please

[onyxbfly]

I've seen the SVS PB2 Plus used on various forums and CL for $5-$600. My friend recently picked up a third one for $525!!!

Don't ask why. One is enough for most rooms. Damn thing felt like it weighs 200 lbs or so! But I'm sure Billy will tell you that there is always enough room for one more!!!

Take your time one will come up sooner or later.

[hedliniv]

SVS pb-1000
(You seriously can't go wrong with SVS!!!)

[antimatter]

Originally Posted by hedliniv

SVS pb-1000
(You seriously can't go wrong with SVS!!!)

Thank you for your response. Svs seems to be the way to go. Everyone has said Svs. And I really enjoy the one I have. Thank you for your help.

[onyxbfly]

If you are not opposed to buying used. I found this on Craigslist in the Chicago area. I used zip code 60647 as a reference point.

Here is a sub that I have heard in the past at DIY speaker meet. Some people say that the 18"+ drivers are not fast enough. I don't know which drivers they were listening to but his sub is a true beast. I can't vouch for the condition of this subs. But for the price they are asking its worth checking out!!!!

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/ele/4550422698.html

HTH

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by onyxbfly

If you are not opposed to buying used. I found this on Craigslist in the Chicago area. I used zip code 60647 as a reference point.

Here is a sub that I have heard in the past at DIY speaker meet. Some people say that the 18"+ drivers are not fast enough. I don't know which drivers they were listening to but his sub is a true beast. I can't vouch for the condition of this subs. But for the price they are asking its worth checking out!!!!

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/ele/4550422698.html

HTH

The reason why most 18"+ subs are perceived as not fast enough is because most large Home Theater subs are under powered and the cone area is larger and heavier to move compared to the smaller subs.

Most large subs are not made for Home Theater use and are made for one purpose, lots of out-put! There usually used for Large Stadium use so there not worried if the subs are not fast enough, they only worry if the subs can fill the immediate space needed.

Lots of Home Theater subs are 12" and under and are fine tuned for the small spaces there designed for "Homes V.s Auditoriums". I'm not saying large subs can't be fast if designed like any other Home Theater sub, they just need to the care and attention and the right materials as those smaller subs.

Also might I add, the Diver Wars of yester year left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths by being easily impressed over the large cones sold your average white-van sales man.

Large cones with lots of drivers easily impressed people but what they didn't know is that they where very cheaply made, I'm talking paper used for the woofers/mid bass and very under powered for the size of cones used! If you look on Amazon for subs larger then 12" you won't see too many quality Home Theater subs, you'll see the same White Van subs or stadium/car subs "with the exception of ID subs like SVS, HSU, Rythmik, Velodyne"

By the way I love my 15" HSU sub, it's fast, musical and goes very deep with lots of out-put for movies too! One very large sub that gets a lot of praise and is called the definitive Benchmark sub, that all other subs should strive to be is the Seaton SubMersive HP. I only hope to get one, one day....

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by kenoh

The reason why most 18"+ subs are perceived as not fast enough is because most large Home Theater subs are under powered and the cone area is larger and heavier to move compared to the smaller subs.

Most large subs are not made for Home Theater use and are made for one purpose, lots of out-put! There usually used for Large Stadium use so there not worried if the subs are not fast enough, they only worry if the subs can fill the immediate space needed.

Lots of Home Theater subs are 12" and under and are fine tuned for the small spaces there designed for "Homes V.s Auditoriums". I'm not saying large subs can't be fast if designed like any other Home Theater sub, they just need to the care and attention and the right materials as those smaller subs.

Also might I add, the Diver Wars of yester year left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths by being easily impressed over the large cones sold your average white-van sales man.

Large cones with lots of drivers easily impressed people but what they didn't know is that they where very cheaply made, I'm talking paper used for the woofers/mid bass and very under powered for the size of cones used! If you look on Amazon for subs larger then 12" you won't see too many quality Home Theater subs, you'll see the same White Van subs or stadium/car subs "with the exception of ID subs like SVS, HSU, Rythmik, Velodyne"

By the way I love my 15" HSU sub, it's fast, musical and goes very deep with lots of out-put for movies too! One very large sub that gets a lot of praise and is called the definitive Benchmark sub, that all other subs should strive to be is the Seaton SubMersive HP. I only hope to get one, one day....

I think a lot of the "slow vs fast" nonsense(in relation to cone area) was born in the mid to late 1990s. Back then the larger the cone area the deeper the extension...in general.

So 8-10-12 inch subs often only extended to 30-40hz.

The deeper the extension the longer the sound wave. And the longer the sound wave the more time it will take to "decay" in your room.

That is where the subjective sense of "speed" pops up.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by Tom V.

I think a lot of the "slow vs fast" nonsense(in relation to cone area) was born in the mid to late 1990s. Back then the larger the cone area the deeper the extension...in general.

So 8-10-12 inch subs often only extended to 30-40hz.

The deeper the extension the longer the sound wave. And the longer the sound wave the more time it will take to "decay" in your room.

That is where the subjective sense of "speed" pops up.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Fair enough, but there are a lot of large subs that are under powered or not specifically made for home theater use, then there are the White-Van dealers who know the sub is inadequate and under powered but try to lure in buyers anyways with flashy ads and superficial features...car audio is even worse!

[antimatter]

Originally Posted by onyxbfly

I've seen the SVS PB2 Plus used on various forums and CL for $5-$600. My friend recently picked up a third one for $525!!!

Don't ask why. One is enough for most rooms. Damn thing felt like it weighs 200 lbs or so! But I'm sure Billy will tell you that there is always enough room for one more!!!

Take your time one will come up sooner or later.

Thank you for your response. Seems Svs is the way to go. That is the way I was leaning but thought I might give some other a try if people felt it was close between hsu and Svs. Thank you again