Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[bruceames]

I meant future value in the next 5 years or so, not when you're passing it on to the next of kin. I don't really care for buying a movie and seeing it sell for a fraction of the price a year later. But if several years pass at least before it becomes (nearly) worthless then at least I don't feel that "bought too early" remorse, if you know what I'm saying.

[MikeZ.]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

I meant future value in the next 5 years or so, not when you're passing it on to the next of kin. I don't really care for buying a movie and seeing it sell for a fraction of the price a year later. But if several years pass at least before it becomes (nearly) worthless then at least I don't feel that "bought too early" remorse, if you know what I'm saying.

5 years is all any of us may have left.

I bypass those thoughts by paying as little as humanly possible in the first place ! All those DVDs I paid $2.00 - $3.00 for, back in 2008, that I'm now upgrading on Blu ray, no matter what BuyBacks gives me, I'm golden. Legitimate, sealed TV box sets off eBay for a fraction of the price !

Now, with all those savings, the Boutique Buys ( TT, Criterion, Warner Archives ) don't seem to actually cost so much.

[belcherman]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

I meant future value in the next 5 years or so, not when you're passing it on to the next of kin. I don't really care for buying a movie and seeing it sell for a fraction of the price a year later. But if several years pass at least before it becomes (nearly) worthless then at least I don't feel that "bought too early" remorse, if you know what I'm saying.

The question you need to ask yourself is "how much is it worth to me now?" Really, unless you have 1000 copies of The Thin Man in you basement, blu rays are not investment vehicles.

Edit: I meant to type The Third Man. That's what happens when I type in the dark.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by belcherman

The question you need to ask yourself is "how much is it worth to me now?" Really, unless you have 1000 copies of The Thin Man in you basement, blu rays are not investment vehicles.

And sometimes the answer to that question depends on how much will it be worth to me later. I never said anything about investment. I was referring to the collector's element of it only. Maybe you don't care how much titles you bought a few years ago are worth now, but I do. I value my Criterions more largely because they hold their value well (also of course that they're great movies with high replay value). I guess the same may hold true with TT movies, but only time will tell. As I said, I never intend to sell any of my movies, but "as a collector" AND a movie fan, I get a warm and fuzzy from those titles that hold their value. I guess it makes me feel less stupid about buying them to begin with, than movies I bought for 2-3 the price that they're worth now and still have the shrinkwrap on.

Otherwise if it's totally about owning the movie to have it available "at your fingertips", and nothing about the fun of "collecting", then digital and streaming is the way to go. Far cheaper and more convenient.

Somebody please tell me I'm not the only one who cares whether my movie purchase holds its value. As a collector for the FUN of it. Not as a business investment (because that would be...uh...like way stupid).

[MikeZ.]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Somebody please tell me I'm not the only one who cares whether my movie purchase holds its value. As a collector for the FUN of it. Not as a business investment (because that would be...uh...like way stupid).

Your premise is a contradiction. " Holds it's value " = financial value.
If you're a " collector for the fun of it," none of this matters, including the initial cost.

If it's emotional value, that's not only subjective, but can't be judged " years from now " as you say.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MikeZ.

Your premise is a contradiction. " Holds it's value " = financial value.
If you're a " collector for the fun of it," none of this matters, including the initial cost.

If it's emotional value, that's not only subjective, but can't be judged " years from now " as you say.

Part of the fun of collecting is having your stuff not be worthless. Movies on disc have a double purpose and can be enjoyed for both the content and the joy of owning and collecting them. It's not like they're G.I. Joes and you can only look at them.

If you can't get past having collecting being nothing more than an investment then we're not going to get anywhere with this.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by spawningblue

Netflix charges people $8 a month for thousands of movies and TV shows at their fingertips, with no revenue from advertisements.

Does anyone know what Netflix's licensing model is? Do they negotiate a standard across-the-board fee with the studios for titles? Is it a case by case licensing? Do they pay a relatively small flat fee for a given movie, and then pay a "commission" every time someone streams that movie?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by jayembee

Does anyone know what Netflix's licensing model is? Do they negotiate a standard across-the-board fee with the studios for titles? Is it a case by case licensing? Do they pay a relatively small flat fee for a given movie, and then pay a "commission" every time someone streams that movie?

From what I have read they pay to license a group of films for a specified time, unlimited viewings. Others may have more info.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

And sometimes the answer to that question depends on how much will it be worth to me later. I never said anything about investment. I was referring to the collector's element of it only. Maybe you don't care how much titles you bought a few years ago are worth now, but I do. I value my Criterions more largely because they hold their value well (also of course that they're great movies with high replay value). I guess the same may hold true with TT movies, but only time will tell. As I said, I never intend to sell any of my movies, but "as a collector" AND a movie fan, I get a warm and fuzzy from those titles that hold their value. I guess it makes me feel less stupid about buying them to begin with, than movies I bought for 2-3 the price that they're worth now and still have the shrinkwrap on.

Otherwise if it's totally about owning the movie to have it available "at your fingertips", and nothing about the fun of "collecting", then digital and streaming is the way to go. Far cheaper and more convenient.

Somebody please tell me I'm not the only one who cares whether my movie purchase holds its value. As a collector for the FUN of it. Not as a business investment (because that would be...uh...like way stupid).

no, I collect movies because I want them to be MINE and I don't trust the studios to not strip titles at a moments notice and screw you. plus Blu-ray is much better quality than even the best streaming. Sure I might say "dang it's nice that this blu-ray is worth this much". but I won't value it (non financially) any more than any other title I like. The only time I ever care about value is if I'm reselling.

[StingingVelvet]

I don't collect for money reasons at all. Though some releases do appreciate in value it's pretty rare and random.

That said I do like that a lot of movies tend to hold some value, in case I ever need or want to sell them. If my tastes change or I replace a version with a newer release it's nice to be able to get a few bucks or more from an old disc.

Not long ago I switched from collecting Region 1 Doctor Who DVDs to Region 2 Doctor Who DVDs and it's nice that I can sell the R1 versions on eBay for roughly what the R2 versions cost, making replacing very cheap.

In contrast I was a PC gamer for a long time and switched to digital as soon as I could. Then I finally stopped playing games for the most part and that digital collection holds exactly zero value, there's nothing to sell. Thousands of dollars invested with nothing to show for it now that I'm done with gaming. Kind of sad.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by wormraper

no, I collect movies because I want them to be MINE and I don't trust the studios to not strip titles at a moments notice and screw you. plus Blu-ray is much better quality than even the best streaming. Sure I might say "dang it's nice that this blu-ray is worth this much". but I won't value it (non financially) any more than any other title I like. The only time I ever care about value is if I'm reselling.

I understand your perspective completely, but it has really nothing to do with the fun of collecting. I also value owning movies that studios can't mess with. And that they are the best quality available. But if I had to choose one or the other (having more control vs. better quality), than I would choose better quality every time. That of course trumps everything, even the fun of collecting these shiny discs.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

I understand your perspective completely, but it has really nothing to do with the fun of collecting. I also value having (legal) copies movies that studios can't mess with. And that they are the best quality available. But if I had to choose one or the other (having more control vs. better quality), than I would choose better quality every time. That of course trumps everything, even the fun of collecting these shiny discs.

control every time. without the control they lose value to me. Its why I view streaming as nothing more than paying for access to Piratebay

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by wormraper

control every time. without the control they lose value to me

Again, totally understand and to a point agree with you. But I'm too much of a sucker for the best quality available....if I had to choose.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Again, totally understand and to a point agree with you. But I'm too much of a sucker for top quality....if I had to choose.

gotcha, I wasn't trying to negate your point of view. just stating mine.

[MikeZ.]

I just know Killer Elite is going to be great.

[spargs]

Originally Posted by MikeZ.

I just know Killer Elite is going to be great.

Same here. Really looking forward to it, even if it is admittedly a lesser film in Peckinpah's filmography. Really wish we could get Ride the High Country, Ballad of Cable Hogue, Junior Bonner, Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid, and Cross of Iron as well!

[BarnDoor]

Originally Posted by MikeZ.

I just know Killer Elite is going to be great.

Peckinpah, Caan, Duvall, Hopkins...you really would think that wouldn't you?

I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I was. It starts well enough but I think Peckinpah lost all interest by the end.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Peckinpah, Caan, Duvall, Hopkins...you really would think that wouldn't you?

I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I was. It starts well enough but I think Peckinpah lost all interest by the end.

They don't shoot films in scene order you know, so it just had a poor ending.

[BarnDoor]

Originally Posted by popeflick

They don't shoot films in scene order you know, so it just had a poor ending.

I should have worded that better, but it falls apart much earlier than that if you want to be picky about it. Fortunately Peckinpah returned to form with Cross of Iron.

[Aclea]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

I should have worded that better, but it falls apart much earlier than that if you want to be picky about it. Fortunately Peckinpah returned to form with Cross of Iron.

It works for about half an hour but quickly falls apart after that. Peckinpah just isn't even remotely interested in the action scenes - the airport martial arts scene is played like a very shoddy Keystone Kops comedy and the ending is just incredibly lazy, like watching someone else playing a too-easy video game with comedy ninjas (and Peckpinpah wanted to make it even more surreal by having a dead character reappear at the end). It didn't help that this was the film where James Caan persuaded him that cocaine was non-addictive and added that to his list of addictions (not a good idea when Peckinpah already drank way too much and was on a wide variety of prescription meds). Sad to say, it's a paycheck job that most competent action directors could have done better but the disc is still worth picking up for Noon Wine.