Star Trek: The Next Generation - Season 7 (1993-1994) / All Good Things (1994)

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by lee7n

Best Buy gutted their blu ray section a while ago at least in NYC. Terrible idea. J&R closed leaving only overpriced Barnes and Noble to get blu ray's not deemed worthy by best buy. It really is a shame. Thank god for Amazon.

My Best Buy and Target both have tons of blu rays. Best Buy has like 7 aisles of them. It depends on your area. If you mean NYC as in actual downtown area, they probably don't sell as well as in the burbs.

[dlemond]

The reason many people hold out for the complete series is because it ends up being significantly less expensive than buying the individual sets.

For a fan- but not a die hard fan - this is a much better option when money is a big factor.

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by drn211

Quick note:

While all the bonus features from the individual DVD season sets have been ported over the following three featurettes from the bonus disc in the complete series set haven't been

"The Next Generation Impact: 20 Years Later
The Next Generation's Legacy: 2007
Star Trek Visual Effects Magic: A Roundtable Discussion"

And it looks like only Brannon Braga's old "Parallels" commentary from the 2008 Alternate Realities DVD set has been ported over. If true, this would be the most meager set, as far as commentaries go, since Season One (which had none).

But at least we get 29 deleted scenes, which isn't bad!

[benbess]

Who was it who said DS9 in HD was "almost guaranteed"?

I want my money back...

[Infernal King]

I hope they managed to find all the film reels and there's no footage upconverted to HD.

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by benbess

Who was it who said DS9 in HD was "almost guaranteed"?

I want my money back...

Sorry, no refunds! My entirely biased, individual, subjective opinion remains unchanged, barring some official announcement that they will never do it. And, just to reiterate, I meant "all but guaranteed" in the long term, not short term. The fact that CBS took the time to check the film and do an analysis, however cursory, implies that they are interested on some level. Time, effort, money and window of opportunity are really their only considerations.

If they didn't care at all or had zero interest in DS9, they never would have bothered looking at the film. They would have said, "DS9? Who cares what condition the film is in? We're never doing that! In fact, burn it all! We'll never need it and it costs too much to store the damn stuff anyway!"

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

I hope they managed to find all the film reels and there's no footage upconverted to HD.

TrekCore reported a while back that all the live-action film was found for Season Seven.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

Sorry, no refunds! My entirely biased, individual opinion remains unchanged, barring some official announcement that they will never do it. And, just to reiterate, I meant "all but guaranteed" in the long term, not short term. The fact that CBS took the time to check the film and do an analysis, however cursory, implies that they are interested on some level. Time, effort, money and window of opportunity are really their only considerations.

If they didn't care at all or had zero interest in DS9, they never would have bothered looking at the film. They would have said, "DS9? Who cares what condition the film is in? We're never doing that! In fact, burn it all! We'll never need it and it cost too much to store the damn stuff anyway!"

It's going to depend on long-term sales of TNG stuff, including whatever complete series set they eventually do. If those sell well then the bosses will likely reevaluate.

I don't blame them for being cautious, the sales of TNG went through the floor after season one and Enterprise reportedly sold like utter crap. They aren't in this for the fun of it, they want to make money. Hopefully we see a surge in purchases that can convince them DS9 is worth the risk.

[BluMan28]

Well if they want to make money, tell some stores to carry these and have them on their shelves! After Season 2, no B&M store within 20 miles of me carried any TNG Season or TNG Stand-alone after the first 6 or so put out on release day were all sold out. So hHow does CBS expect broad-based sales when there isn't broad-based availability? Not everybody buys from Amazon.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Don't click the above link, guys. That user is posting it in many different threads across the forums.

[trekcore]

Folks, that press release is not final, complete or official. It's just a loose guide sent out to retailers to hint at what's on the set. There's certainly more than 1 audio comm!

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by BluMan28

Well if they want to make money, tell some stores to carry these and have them on their shelves! After Season 2, no B&M store within 20 miles of me carried any TNG Season or TNG Stand-alone after the first 6 or so put out on release day were all sold out. So hHow does CBS expect broad-based sales when there isn't broad-based availability? Not everybody buys from Amazon.

With the sales drop being what it was and online shopping's dominant place in catalog releases you can't really blame the stores or CBS for this. It just is what it is in 2014.

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

I wonder how All Good Things is going to benefit from a stand-alone release, since It's not a combined 2-parter, it's already a 2-hour episode. They could just have included whatever extras they had for it on the main release, and done the stand-alone disc for Descent instead.

Except that the stand alone releases get their own budget, its likely that without making it a stand alone release there would have be no audio commentary or retrospective feature for All Good Things or if there had then other parts of the Season 7 set would have suffered (less deleted scenes/less new audio commentaries)

[worldchmps]

With the original series and TNG out on BD, it's made me think a lot about where the franchise fits in to our society today. In an age where even new tech is almost accepted as the new norm, we're less wowed and intrigued by the possibilities of things to come that we saw in Star Trek. And we seem to be less excited to explore the universe and more concerned with trying to find order in and bring peace to our chaotic world.

Is there still a place for Star Trek? The recent movies made some money but they weren't blockbusters by the standards of Hollywood today though even past movies weren't, shockingly. And I bet most viewers of the recent movies were those like me, wanting to feel that excitement again felt as a kid when TNG first premiered (I was 8 and still remember how excited I was). Is this franchise going to go the way of many sci fi franchises and be looked at as being important to television history versus being important to television and society today? Enterprise, with all the promise it had to bring the show back to it's exploratory roots, failed and was cancelled. People said Star Trek needed a break from tv. Is there a place for Star Trek on tv now? Will there ever be again?

All those doctors, scientists and astronauts who saw Star Trek and then went into those jobs showed how the show used to impact our society and our world. Will it ever have that impact on our culture again? I'm sure the other series (DS:9 & Voyager) will eventually come out on BD, but with TNG season seven coming out, it feels to me like how I felt the first time the show went off the air, sad. I hope the franchise once again becomes as important as it was with TOS and TNG. I for one hope we'll get a new series that will impact future generations of Americans like TOS and TNG. I just hope there will be a place for Star Trek again beyond just as tv nostalgia. I think, for many reasons, most people have stopped caring about the franchise. For now, guess I'll pop in my TNG BD's and remember what it was like when Star Trek mattered.

I hope someone out there can give me hope for the future of the franchise. Remember when people said ST or SW? It won't be long before teens today all say SW and think of ST as something their parents liked and as such, is uncool. That's really, really sad. I long for a day ST is cool again. I really do!

[benbess]

Originally Posted by worldchmps

....I'm sure the other series (DS:9 & Voyager) will eventually come out on BD....

Thoughtful post, overall!++

But I'm honestly puzzled why you and other people continue to say this, when all indications are that DS9 and Voyager are never going to go HD.

It's almost like a religious belief system: "all but guaranteed" "I'm sure" "it'll happen," etc.

???

It is not happening as far as we can tell. Enjoy your TNG in HD, because that's apparently the end of the road for Star Trek TV in HD.

Hope I'm wrong, but that's the way it looks right now.

[Geoff D]

I love Star Trek and still think it's entirely relevant to us today. Whether people want to hear the message that it's preaching, I'm not so sure. It's not just Trek, sci-fi in general is woefully under-represented on TV these days. The network suits are more concerned with reality shows and CSI: Wherever, and all HBO wanna do is have people drink, screw and kill each other.

But Star Trek will always be a cultural touchstone for generations of people for what it means to them, and no-one can take that away. Will it ever "matter" like it once did? Hard to say. Yet it shouldn't be ignored, even in this current world climate. The tech may have caught up in some respects (though warp, transporters, replicators etc are a ways off ) but it's Roddenberry's humanist vision that drives it, holding up a mirror to society and showing us that there is a better way.

[minister_x]

Originally Posted by benbess

But I'm honestly puzzled why you and other people continue to say this, when all indications are that DS9 and Voyager are never going to go HD.

No, all the signs are they aren't going to go HD any time soon - that's not the same thing. At some point, Paramount is bound to milk it. I don't think it's like a religious belief - Paramount has a long-standing history of milking the Trek cow again and again. Currently, it doesn't seem to be profitable for them, but that could change. (And besides, saying it absolutely won't happen is just as bad as saying it absolutely will - going back to the religion analogy, agnosticism is the key; literally, none of us know!)

EDIT: I agree with Geoff's post (although I think HBO manages to put out great stuff despite liberally peppering it all with violence/sex/language). Sci-Fi is definitely in a poor state at the moment. The few shows which show some promise are usually cancelled - and the garbage (or at least very weak output) that the likes of Syfy keep returning can't even hold a candle to shows like Star Trek IMO.

[Geoff D]

Yup. Even though I've protested to the contrary many a time, I do actually think it'll happen, just not for a good long while.

[CouncilSpectre]

I'm not so sure that we can't consider the JJA movies as being blockbusters. It was the highest earning Trek movie at that point and was the seventh highest grossing film of the year in the US. I'm sure there weren't just six blockbusters that year....

It also did very well overseas, taking nearly a third of its total takings in other territories. Trek traditionally, on the big screen at least hasn't always fared that well internationally.

The sequel, grossed more than the first movie.

I'd say they were pretty huge movies myself. Granted, some of that was the JJA effect, but 2009 was the first time that I can remember a Star Trek movie being mainstream cool.

[Donl1282]

Originally Posted by benbess

Thoughtful post, overall!++

But I'm honestly puzzled why you and other people continue to say this, when all indications are that DS9 and Voyager are never going to go HD.

It's almost like a religious belief system: "all but guaranteed" "I'm sure" "it'll happen," etc.

???

It is not happening as far as we can tell. Enjoy your TNG in HD, because that's apparently the end of the road for Star Trek TV in HD.

Hope I'm wrong, but that's the way it looks right now.

They have to do something to the rest of the series otherwise it will never be released on Home Video ever again in the future in any new format.