Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[simonynwa]

Originally Posted by octagon

Yeah, I think they could do without the Sith.

If you think about it, the force wasn't the focus of the first movie. It was more spice than ingredient. The new trilogy could effectively focus on any number of threats or enemies without necessarily going down the Sith v Jedi road.

If could even be some externalish threat to all life/midichlorians (though with any luck we won't hear the actual word too many times) that forces - hahahahaha, see what I did there - practitioners of the dark and light sides to work together.

There are a lot of ways they could go without rehashing the same conflicts and players.

I don't mean they have to rehash but exploring and developing them. And whilst the Force may not be the focus of the first movie, the Jedi and the Sith became a large part of the six film series. It may seem ultimately strange to just focus on something else for three movies when this is an ongoing linked saga of six already.

Not saying it couldn't be done, just think that the films will lose a lot without Jedi for example and introducing a new villain concept and saying yeah the Sith were bad but these are far worse seems out of step with the preceding films.

Hey just throwing a little Episode VII discussion in here

[stvn1974]

The next trilogy has to link with the other six films in order for it to work. It has to be about The Force, Jedi and Sith. To pull a new threat out of nowhere would be a mistake.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

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I like the sound of a lot of that, especially there being a new Republic and several systems remaining loyal to the Empire. It makes a lot of sense the galaxy would be divided between the two, and there's a lot of exciting potential in that. Hopefully it's true and not just something someone made up.

The main Sith villains being an old student of Palpatine as well as his apprentice is intriguing. I wonder if perhaps Max von Sydow is playing the master? I like the apprentice "taking control of the power dynamic", it's something different from previous movies where Palpatine was always in control and his apprentices never really had the will or power to stand up to him (until at the end of ROTJ).

[Lutz]

They could do away with the Sith and still focus on the prophecy to bring balance to the force which after being mentioned hasn't been explained in much detail.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

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The only things I don't really like:

> Luke hasn't been seen in nearly 30 years

> the other lead is the child of Lando, and either a male or female depending on who is cast

>Luke has no known offspring

Luke hasn't seen Leia and Han in 30 years, or he hasn't been seen by the 'general public'? If it's the former, I don't like that idea.

Who cares about Lando's kid? Focus on the main trio's kids.

Too bad Luke doesn't have a kid. PT would be Anakin (grandfather), OT was Luke (father), ST is ___ Skywalker (son).

But these are all taken out of context (if even true), so I'll reserve judgement. I have a positive feeling from this project still, regardless.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

The only things I don't really like:



Luke hasn't seen Leia and Han in 30 years, or he hasn't been seen by the 'general public'? If it's the former, I don't like that idea.

Who cares about Lando's kid? Focus on the main trio's kids.

Too bad Luke doesn't have a kid. PT would be Anakin (grandfather), OT was Luke (father), ST is ___ Skywalker (son).

But these are all taken out of context (if even true), so I'll reserve judgement. I have a positive feeling from this project still, regardless.

Leia is a Skywalker too, so a Skywalker offspring is still in play. Even if the last name isn't the same.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Leia is a Skywalker too, so a Skywalker offspring is still in play. Even if the last name isn't the same.

Yeah, I just like Lucas' thing about "rhyming." Luke has always kind of been the center of Star Wars - the prequels are about Luke's father, the originals about Luke, and the sequels would be about Luke's kid (female or male). Luke's father -> Luke -> Luke's kid.

Not that I would ever fault the filmmakers or a film for not conforming to what I think it "should" be, and having something against a film because it's not what I had in mind. Put simply I'd rather have Luke's son (or daughter) be the main protagonist instead of his niece. Here it would be Luke's father -> Luke -> Luke's niece. She's still descended from a Skywalker, but she's not 'actually' a Skywalker, and she didn't come from Luke.

Just seems more fitting to have Luke's child, male or female, be the "main Skywalker," instead of his niece. It would also be interesting if, like his parents, Luke had twins -- one female, one male.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Yeah, I just like Lucas' thing about "rhyming." Luke has always kind of been the center of Star Wars - the prequels are about Luke's father, the originals about Luke, and the sequels would be about Luke's kid (female or male). Luke's father -> Luke -> Luke's kid.

Not that I would ever fault the filmmakers or a film for not conforming to what I think it "should" be, and having something against a film because it's not what I had in mind. Put simply I'd rather have Luke's son (or daughter) be the main protagonist instead of his niece. Here it would be Luke's father -> Luke -> Luke's niece. She's still descended from a Skywalker, but she's not 'actually' a Skywalker, and she didn't come from Luke.

Just seems more fitting to have Luke's child, male or female, be the "main Skywalker," instead of his niece. It would also be interesting if, like his parents, Luke had twins -- one female, one male.

I pretty much agree with this. I'm fine if its Leia providing the the next generation of Skywalkers for the films...but would prefer it be Luke.

I've thought the Jaina/Jacen Solo story would be great for the movies to explore, but would be interesting if they reworked that into being Luke's kids.

Even if that is not even close to what they are planning...I fully expect to enjoy the heck out of this movie when it is released and can't wait to get concrete info on what direction the story is going in and that glorious day when we get a first trailer

[Falaskan]

I don't care if the leave the EU behind but I was hoping to see Mara Jade on film...

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Soooo.....rough dialogue and a planet sized weapon? It's Star Wars alright!

"That's no planet...it's a space-weapon".

We need to be cautious about all of these rumours, I suspect many have been introduced by Lucasfilm themselves to throw us around. I won't believe anything until I actually see it. Still, interesting though.

However, the idea of the Sith homeworld being a weapon is a pretty stupid idea, imo.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I don't care if the leave the EU behind but I was hoping to see Mara Jade on film...

I second that one! So was I....one of the only things EU that I really loved was her.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Yeah, I just like Lucas' thing about "rhyming." Luke has always kind of been the center of Star Wars - the prequels are about Luke's father, the originals about Luke, and the sequels would be about Luke's kid (female or male). Luke's father -> Luke -> Luke's kid.

I totally agree with this. That's how I feel.

But I guess Leia's offspring does validate Yoda's words of "There is another", which hinted at Leia's importance to the Jedi line.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Sadly, some women do abandon their own children, and worse. However, Padme's death never seemed that way to me. I accepted it on two levels: a combination of Vader's actions and her own broken heart, plus Lucas trying to explain why neither child grew up with her. It would've been seen as far worse by some folks, for Padme to just allow Bail and Owen to raise her kids while she moved on with her life. The whole thing was just one big "rock vs. hard place" situation.

It could have been handled differently, although it would have required a bit more exposition at a time when the movie was reaching its climax.

She could have lived and realized that she had to hide from Anakin (because she wouldn't have been told that Obi-wan burned his arms and legs off). She could have raised the children for their first few years (which would have solved the problem of Leia telling Luke in VI that she remembered her mother), but grown increasingly depressed. She could have either a) known that Anakin had become Vader and she feared for her life or b) thought that Anakin was dead. In any case, she becomes ill and dies a few years later and then the kids get split up.

A more interesting alternative would have been that she learns that Obi-wan "killed" Anakin and she turns against the Jedi. Maybe the Jedi even take the kids from her because they realize either of the kids might have high midichlorian counts.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Terminated

You guys think that's the least of your worries.
Rumor has it that

[Show spoiler]The Sith Inquisitors have taken Anakin's Dna and infused it to their Master . So his voice will also be that of Anakin. Hayden Christensen has been seen at the studios California voicing his lines for the villain.

Makes no sense to me that they would use Christensen's voice because if you remember the end of Episode III, they electronically processed Christensen's voice to sound very similar to James Earl Jones' processed voice.

So even if the plot element (using Vader's DNA) is real, they wouldn't need Christensen - almost any voice actor could do it. And even if Vader was somehow in the new movie, they wouldn't need Christensen because almost anyone could be behind the mask and cape. (Okay, not Jonah Hill, but almost anyone else.)

And while we're on that topic, it just made me realize something: if the Sith were really behind the formation of the Clone army, why did they use Jango Fett? Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to clone a Sith?

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

The next trilogy has to link with the other six films in order for it to work. It has to be about The Force, Jedi and Sith. To pull a new threat out of nowhere would be a mistake.

I disagree, although I think it probably will be about the Sith vs. the Jedi (or just Luke if there are no other Jedi).

What can you do that's interesting that hasn't already been done in the Sith vs. Jedi battle? So there's some new Sith with better tattoos who knows how to use some advanced model of lightsaber? And he battles Luke in yet another copy of an Errol Flynn duel? So what. We've already seen that.

As far as new threats are concerned, look at our world. From an American perspective, thirty years ago, the biggest perceived threat to our way of life was Communism, whether actually true or not. What's the biggest threat today? Terrorism. Completely different and bigger threat.

But in either case, the conflict has to be one that makes sense. IMO, one of the problems in the PT and OT is that it's never really explained exactly what the Sith would do if they did beat the rebels. Why does the Sith want to control the galaxy? What would that have given them?

Maybe the more interesting conflict is that the former Rebels now rule the galaxy, but they've become the villains and now there's a new generation of rebels. "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." So Leia, Luke and Han (all separately) don't really want to get involved, but maybe they have to because there's another (new) threat as well.

[cinemaphile]

No because there can only be 2

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Lutz

They could do away with the Sith and still focus on the prophecy to bring balance to the force which after being mentioned hasn't been explained in much detail.

This prophecy has been dealt with in the (canon) Clone Wars story arc "Mortis" in season 3.

For more infos if you are interested:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mortis

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Makes no sense to me that they would use Christensen's voice because if you remember the end of Episode III, they electronically processed Christensen's voice to sound very similar to James Earl Jones' processed voice.

Huh?


That *was* James Earl Jones at the end of Sith.

[stvn1974]

Calm down, Christensen isn't going to be in this. He was spotted coming out of the voice studio because he is replacing James Earl Jones as Darth Vader in the next Original Trilogy release by Disney.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

And while we're on that topic, it just made me realize something: if the Sith were really behind the formation of the Clone army, why did they use Jango Fett? Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to clone a Sith?

It'd make no sense to clone a Sith for that purpose. They wouldn't be able to give them any sort of formal Sith/Force training (presuming that the cloning process would also carry across the midichlorians to begin with) because as soon as the Jedi started fighting alongside them they would sense something was wrong (they may have even sensed their latent 'untrained' minds anyway, as although they couldn't sense the Jango clones, half a million Sith clones might just have done it).

The entire point of the Clone Army was one of subterfuge, to drag the Jedi into a war they didn't want to fight and to cloud their judgement yet further until the time was right to strike. It'd be kinda difficult to do that if they're all Sith. You might then logically reply: "Ah, but the Clones don't KNOW that they're Sith", to which I'd say "Well what's the bloody point of cloning a Sith then?".

And no, that wasn't Christensen's voice as Vader at the end of Sith. That's JEJ all the way.