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94 | 42.53% |
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As for "Daredevil", that whole situation came about because Gary Foster and Avi Arad sided with Fox over director Mark Steven Johnson. His cut was so much better than the theatrical, and I'm convinced it would've been a much bigger success with that version in theaters. |
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I think changing race during a recasting in the same continuity would be the only way changing race would annoy me. Otherwise, I think it's a good thing to bring more diversity to the classic characters, and America is supposed to be a melting pot, so let's make our mythology more of a melting pot as well. I wish they did it much more often, to be honest. |
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(he was pretty good, too, for whatever that might be worth) |
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Thanks given by: | Darkstream (10-10-2014), Irrob (10-10-2014) |
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That is a very good point, and one that I think is favorable in Singer's approach and direction. Not that I would care that any of the characters were actually gay in the film, if they had originally been depicted as such, but the outcast mutant allegory is strong enough to cover all the bases... and without hitting you over the head with it. The reason why I think it is so favorable is because the X-men history is very dense with characters and themes and storylines and multiple timelines and events, and if not orchestrated properly, it could end up being a big convoluted mess, which the comics have been at times, and the movies almost stumbled towards at one point. Singer was smart enough to try to keep the franchise streamlined to where it covers what he feels is important to the X-Men concept and history. With all that source material to draw from, I'm very grateful that he didn't force some homosexual Mary Sue character of his own creation upon us just to heavy-handedly push his point across or leave his personal stamp on the franchise. Obviously, the history is so dense that some sacrifices have to be made when adapting from comics to screen -- I still think Cyclops should have had a greater role in all the films, but at least it wasn't at the expense of a Jar Jar Binks. |
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There's so much that's outrageous and ostentatious and sometimes even over the top in X-Men that keeping the allegories and real world parallels subtle is just the right way to handle it and maintain balance. The subtext doesn't become text but it's also not barely there either. |
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And regardless, Emma Stone is a white person playing a white comic book character, so even though their personal backgrounds are different it is generally easier for a white person to relate to a white person than it is for a white person to relate to a black person or a black person to relate to a white person. And the character's history of Johhny storm, like it or not, is that of a white person and the history of the character ties into that. As for the 'massive rewrites', Sue and Johnny being brother and sister, with the same mom and dad, being changed to a mult-ethnic family IS a massive rewrite, and the way the two interact could be different based not only on that perspective, but because (despite what anyone says) adopted children ARE often treated differently than a biological sibling. Even if it is not very overt, it is often perceived--and that changes the family dynamic. Quote:
And while I am not bad mouthing Jordan's skills (though, if your'e saying anyone of the actors could stand in for any other it sounds like he wasn't anything special) playing a character written specifically for a movie is far different than playing an existing character that exists in other mediums. |
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#1553 | |
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Anyway, Fox (and Chris Evans' career) survived two bad Fantastic Four movies so even if this one flops, I don't understand why people assume they'll automatically sell the rights back to Marvel. Seems like wishful thinking to me (even though I'm wishing it happens as well). Last edited by Infernal King; 10-10-2014 at 06:26 PM. |
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Like I said originally, I could care less about making a character black--I'm just opposed to the Black Johnny/White Sue dichotomy because I do not have faith that it, nor the sociology that goes with it, will be addressed in some meaningful way. Of course, I could always take the overly racially sensitive route and claim "What, they don't want to make the black guy the genius leader of the group who gets the hot white blonde, so they make him the wisecracking sidekick instead?" Quote:
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#1555 | |
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The only reasonable answer I could come up with is that we're in a different phase of superhero movie than existed at the time of the previous two. Cinematic universes is the name of the game now. It's all about the big picture. These franchises are being designed to last 10 years now, with annual or biannual entries. If the F4 can't sustain a long haul, then it may be slightly reasonable to think Fox would jettison the extra baggage and focus even more resources into the X-franchise(s), for example, which could go on essentially infinitely with loads of characters and stories. |
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I'm not sure they'll just outright sell the rights back when it flops, but I can't see them going back to the drawing board yet again and investing more money into a franchise that just isn't working for them. If they do attempt another reboot at some point, they'll probably be so apprehensive about doing it that they'll take too long developing it, and in that time, the rights may just lapse, allowing Marvel to get them back. |
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Thanks given by: | Infernal King (10-10-2014) |
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I'm assuming you don't think it's impossible for a white person to relate to a black person or vice versa. Is it virtually impossible? Ridiculously implausible? Difficult but manageable? And do actors whose backgrounds differ from their characters in other ways face similar difficulties? For instance, can an actor from a upper-middle class family convincingly portray a character who grew up poor? I tend to think that's probably pretty doable. I mean, they are actors, right? Pretending to be other people is kind of what they do. Quote:
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Does it? As for adoption being a massive rewrite, eh, I don't really see the big deal. The Brady Bunch seemed to handle the various trials and tribulations of a mixed family with reasonable aplomb, I'm sure the Storms could have managed at least as well. Quote:
Is he going to be covered in fire-proof bling and flashing flaming gang signs across the sky? Will his asbestos boxers be sticking out his baggy FF uniform? Is he going to be a really good dancer? Quote:
He was a high school student. Just like the two white characters. It was no big deal. |
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Thanks given by: | Comicman494 (10-10-2014), Mandalorian (10-10-2014) |
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Are there any actual black people on this board who would like to chime in with their thoughts? And no, I don't want a "my best friend/co-worker/garbage man is black" anecdote. |
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