Batman Begins (2005)

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by reginaroadie

I have to say, I think I'm one of the few people out there who thinks BATMAN BEGINS was actually overrated. I mean, it's a good movie, no doubt about it. But I don't share everyone's opinion that it's THE BEST BATMAN MOVIE EVER!!! (I always liked BATMAN RETURNS the most, although I do agree with those that say that BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES is the best incarnation of Batman in any medium) or THE BEST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER!!! (I think X2 set the bar very high in the last ten years of the Comic Book Renaissance).

I don't believe that it's the BEST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER (I think superhero movies like "Spider-Man 2" and "Iron Man" were better, as were some other non-superhero comic based films), but I do feel it's the BEST BATMAN MOVIE EVER (I thought BR was the second worst of the quad).

Originally Posted by reginaroadie

To me, the big problem I have with BATMAN BEGINS (along with the miscasting of Katie Holmes, which we can all agree was a problem) was that it robbed Batman of his mystique. His greatest strength as a superhero was his ability to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies. And part of that fear was in not knowing anything about him, which extends to the audience.

I didn't have a problem with KH, I just didn't like the character. I found her pointless.

As for your other comments, Batman's origin has been told MANY times in the comic books... and I don't think many comic book readers have had problems with Batman losing his mystique.

Originally Posted by reginaroadie

We're given the basic minimum of his backstory, so that we know enough about him to be on his side. But with BATMAN BEGINS, the fact that it goes into every minute detail of who he is, how he became Batman, how he created the myth around him, it just robbed him of any of the mysterious gravitas he had around him. You ask anybody on the street, they'd be able to tell you Batman's origins, since it's so engrained into the cultural psyche. Spending 2 1/2 hours retelling it, going into every minute detail of that story and repeating it three times just in case if you missed it just seemed to take away the grand, gothic mystique of the character.

Having his origins in this film did several things. One, it told you that this was a different Batman from the one years ago (though the lack of nipples might also have told you that as well). Two, it hadn't really been done in cinema. Three, it made the title make sense!

Seriously though, comic book writers have told Batman's origins over MANY times. Each giving their own stamp on his origin. I see no probelm with a Director wanting to do the same...

Originally Posted by reginaroadie

Now, you compare it with SUPERMAN RETURNS, a movie people seem to like taking a dump on but I absolutely love, rather than rehash the origin of Superman (which is redundant, considering Dick Donner did it perfectly with the first film), Singer decided to expand on the Superman myth and ponder whether or not the world really needs a Superman (which by the end of the movie we certainly do), as well as show the dilemma of Superman being the only Kryptonian left in the universe, and the elation of finding out at the end of the movie he's not.

I would prefer to NOT compare "Batman Begins" with "Superman Returns"! As for Donnor, Reeves was perfect, Donner was good.

Originally Posted by reginaroadie

When he's in Jason's room at the end of the movie, repeating the words Kal-El said to him all those years ago ("The son becomes the father...and the father becomes the son."), I almost cried.

I cried too! Not at that part... just intermittently throughout the film when I realized I paid $25 for that HD DVD.

Originally Posted by reginaroadie

Whereas with BATMAN BEGINS, I was actually bored.

I fell asleep during "Superman Returns" MULTIPLE times. Seriously!!

Originally Posted by reginaroadie

That being said, I think I'll like THE DARK KNIGHT more, since they've gotten their world setting and exposition out of the way so that they can REALLY get into it.

I think I'll like TDK more as well too though...

As for the comparisons above, everybody has their own opinions and tastes... and BB and SR aren't even in the same LEAGUE in my opinion... but to each their own...

~Alan

[Toxa]

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Moose1132

I managed to pick this up as well. The Dark Knight tease or whatever looks amazing. I'd say it's probably the best quality picture I've seen so far (granted I've only had blu-ray for a few months now, but still...). I can't wait for the Dark Knight to come out on Blu-ray. Hell, I can't wait for it to come out in theatres so I can just see it.

Hate to be a pessimist, but I would say it's quite possible WB will f*ck up The Dark Knight BD (due December 9, 2008). Their track record ain't so good. So while the preview might look great in HD...just wait til the entire film goes through post (the imax preview may, or may not, have been finished). Then wait til they possibly DNR it, and then encode it (possibly with low bit rate and banding - see 10,000BC).

In short, what I am saying is that what you see in the preview on this Batman Begins disc may not be indicative of the quality of the eventual BD release. It's the old, "hey, how come this looks better in the trailer" scenario...

I'm hoping for the best, but Warner has me worried. Something ain't right over there...

[rkolinski]

I've seen some post where others have been dissatisfied with the way WB handles their orders but I myself am very pleased. Ordered "Batman Begins Limited Edition Giftset" for $27.97 not counting tax and shipping, it was sent to me on 6/27 and it arrived today! Just finished watching it and I thought the picture and audio quality were so much better than my plain DVD version. Of course it helps owning nice equipment for a good home theater! And the IMAX Prologue for "The Dark Knight" (the first 6 minutes of the film) was awesome!


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[RedIsNotBlue]

Can someone who is TrueHD capable please tell me what audio the prologue has?

[aqupunk]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Can someone who is TrueHD capable please tell me what audio the prologue has?

Earlier in the thread it was confirmed 5.1 dolby digital.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by aqupunk

Earlier in the thread it was confirmed 5.1 dolby digital.

where?

[aqupunk]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

where?

I thought it was this thread but after searching thru it, must be in one of the other many batman threads.

[aqupunk]

Originally Posted by rkolinski

I've seen some post where others have been dissatisfied with the way WB handles their orders but I myself am very pleased. Ordered "Batman Begins Limited Edition Giftset" for $27.97 not counting tax and shipping, it was sent to me on 6/27 and it arrived today! Just finished watching it and I thought the picture and audio quality were so much better than my plain DVD version. Of course it helps owning nice equipment for a good home theater! And the IMAX Prologue for "The Dark Knight" (the first 6 minutes of the film) was awesome! ."

I ordered mine from WB to! Did they send you an email with tracking number before they sent it or did it just show up?

[aqupunk]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

where?

Batman begin limited edition thread....

[rkolinski]

Originally Posted by aqupunk

I ordered mine from WB to! Did they send you an email with tracking number before they sent it or did it just show up?

NO, they didn't and haven't ever sent me tracking numbers on any of my orders. However, I simply went to the "My Express Checkout" site and the status of my orders with them were listed as was the new UPS tracking number for this shipment. Hope this helps!!!

[rkolinski]

I've seen some post where others have been dissatisfied with the way WB handles their orders but I myself am very pleased. Ordered "Batman Begins Limited Edition Giftset" for $27.97 not counting tax and shipping, it was sent to me on 6/27 and it arrived today! Just finished watching it and I thought the picture and audio quality were so much better than my plain DVD version. Of course it helps owning nice equipment for a good home theater! And the IMAX Prologue for "The Dark Knight" (the first 6 minutes of the film) was awesome!


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[aqupunk]

Originally Posted by rkolinski

NO, they didn't and haven't ever sent me tracking numbers on any of my orders. However, I simply went to the "My Express Checkout" site and the status of my orders with them were listed as was the new UPS tracking number for this shipment. Hope this helps!!!

Thanks yeah I never signed up thru that my express checkout so I guess I will just be ecstatic when it arrives!! Thanks!

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Esox50

Hate to be a pessimist, but I would say it's quite possible WB will f*ck up The Dark Knight BD (due December 9, 2008). Their track record ain't so good. So while the preview might look great in HD...just wait til the entire film goes through post (the imax preview may, or may not, have been finished). Then wait til they possibly DNR it, and then encode it (possibly with low bit rate and banding - see 10,000BC).

In short, what I am saying is that what you see in the preview on this Batman Begins disc may not be indicative of the quality of the eventual BD release. It's the old, "hey, how come this looks better in the trailer" scenario...

I'm hoping for the best, but Warner has me worried. Something ain't right over there...

I don't think they will muck up their most anticipated Blu Ray ever. Why would they shoot themself in the foot

Also 10.000 BC is supposed to look amazing on Blu if you read all the reviews for that on. So i don't know what you are on about

[djluis2k6]

So does the non special edition of this not include The Dark Knight Prologue?

[Eagle_23]

Both editions have TDK prologue.

[Kryptron]

Originally Posted by Eagle_23

Both editions have TDK prologue.

are you sure?

Note: The limited-edition Blu-ray gift set includes Blu-Ray high-def exclusive content: The Dark Knight Prologue, plus movie cash to see The Dark Knight in theaters (a $7.50 value), 32-page exclusive Dark Knight Prologue book, 16-page comic book adaptation of the first 6 minutes of The Dark Knight, a Batman Begins lenticular, and five collectible post cards.

- From Amazon.com
I just placed an order for the Limited Edition i saw nothing for the regular edition that says it has the Dark Knight prologue.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Kryptron

are you sure?

- From Amazon.com
I just placed an order for the Limited Edition i saw nothing for the regular edition that says it has the Dark Knight prologue.

It's 100% confirmed. I am watching it off the regular edition right now...

[danielpwnz]

The gift set is literally the regular BB Blu-ray shoved into the cardboard box. It's even individually plastic wrapped, so there's absolutely no difference in the content on the disc.

I used my movie cash today for my TDK midnight ticket. It didn't pay for all of it (obviously), but hey that's $7.50 I don't need to spend now.

[lgans316]

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