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Old 05-21-2018, 02:06 AM   #2041
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This happened to me with Greatest Showman and Maze Runner, I’ve heard of Walmart sending people to collections because their system can’t change cards. I call to avoid a collection notice harming my credit and they said “our manual payment processing team will reach out to you in order to take a payment.” Still haven’t heard back, this was Greatest Showman release date.
Well I got an email from Walmart today telling me I have 24 hours to update my card info or I’ll be sent to collections, I contacted customer service several times and they gave me no help. Any advice on what to do?
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Old 05-21-2018, 02:34 AM   #2042
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This happened to me with Greatest Showman and Maze Runner, I’ve heard of Walmart sending people to collections because their system can’t change cards. I call to avoid a collection notice harming my credit and they said “our manual payment processing team will reach out to you in order to take a payment.” Still haven’t heard back, this was Greatest Showman release date.
WTF

I get people in the US have to rely on Walmart because some times there isn't much else around but holy shit, use literally any other website for stuff like this if they will have a creditor come after you because of their archaic system.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:14 AM   #2043
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Finished JP1. Not bad. Very much a newer transfer, it's solid as a rock compared to the 2011 BD which has a case of the wobbles (compare chapter 14 when Grant and the kids are walking up the hill, it's like they're in the middle of an earthquake on the old BD). A fair smattering of white (negative) dirt and scratches are visible throughout, not on the frequency or severity of the remastered Gladiator Blu-ray but regular enough. You might catch one or two flecks of dark (positive) dirt on the opticals used to generate the on-screen locations but that's printed in during that process.

Nice enough detail, not up to Sony's standards but as we've said before, who else is? There's still a definite increase in the finer spatial resolution over the Blu-ray in any case, hair and clothing is more refined and wider shots resolve more detail in the foliage. There's an ever-present amount of haloing around high contrast edges though, the ringing is mostly slight but it's definitely there. If I had to guess I'd say that they've rolled off the grain, there should be a visible scattering of the stuff on daylight exteriors and heavier grain on interiors and darker exteriors, however it's virtually non-existent in the former and only slightly more visible on the latter. And yet it rarely looks like an outright waxfest which is an important point to consider, although one of the location cards has been smacked with proper DNR, it's when Dodgson pulls up in the taxi cab to meet Nedry ('San Jose, Costa Rica') and it looks SUPER smudgy and soft (whereas they didn't feel the need to fudge that shot on the old Blu-ray transfer, it's fine there). Most of the other location opticals are fine though. And yes, this UK disc has the proper burnt in titles. Huzzah!

To echo what potty said, one area where the UHD presentation outright falls down is the CG as we're stretching the limits of what these ageing images can resolve, I heard they were done at around 1K and it really shows here. I've been a cheerleader for JP's digital VFX for the longest time but here it all badly lacks texture and sharpness, with pronounced edge ringing and very soft detail. It's funny but the CG actually blends a LOT better on the old BD because that disc is inherently lower resolution, is quite over-sharpened anyway and has more noise/grain to dither the images with. Perhaps if they'd left the grain in then it would've blended a bit better on the UHD, but it's too late for that now.

HDR is decent, a refinement more than a reimagining. APL looks to be on a par with the SDR version or thereabouts so it's not instantly dimmer. You'll catch more highlight detail in shots of clouds (like in the window behind Malcolm in the chopper as they're flying to the island) and various speculars that are on display e.g. car headlights, torch lights and so on. It's not eye-searingly bright in those moments but then HDR doesn't always have to be. Solid black levels, they're not greyed out to shit nor do they consume all shadow detail in their path, just a nice level of density commensurate to the scene. Alas, the extension in dynamic range that usually helps to better integrate CG VFX (IMO) ends up working against it because the highlights still burn out badly in the CG scenes, like the shot of Grant and Ellie looking up at the Brachiosaur into the sun, or the headlights of the CG jeep that falls when Rexy tips it over the edge, this is because they simply weren't rendered with enough range to begin with.

Colour is NOT the mud-brown 3D tint thank God, skin tones are healthy enough (you can really see the tans on some of their faces) and although the primaries might look a bit subdued when A-B'd with the almost neon-looking greenery in the old BD you gain back more nuance in those colours. As mentioned there's a weird bit with Gennaro in the jeep where it seems to drain the colour & range out as the shot progresses, but it looks like some sort of problem with the processing of the original negative to my eyes. (As was also noted upthread the digital tweaks done for the 3D version have been rolled back so you'll still spot the C-stand when Rexy flips over the car and the filament of spider's web is there on the final shot of the helicopter heading out to sea.)

Overall then it's not an amazing home run and definitely looks less organic than, say, Die Hard, never mind the average Sony joint. But it rarely tips over into Grease or T2 territory either, staying just the right side of the grain reduction devil and presenting a more detailed and dimensional looking image thanks to the decent HDR pass. Good, but not great.

Thanks for the review Geoff. I’ve often wondered if the effects in Jurassic Park would ever be redone, but then Comcast bought Universal. Soooo.....lol. Really, really, really, really good will just have to do.
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There would no need for LG's active HDR or Dolby Vision in bringing back shadow detail if they had a static tonemapping curve that didn't touch the shadow detail in the first place
But it looks like dynamic meta data benefits even sony HDTV's, not just LG
More shadows details and highlights at the same time (7m04s time mark especially)

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Old 05-21-2018, 02:47 PM   #2045
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Well I got an email from Walmart today telling me I have 24 hours to update my card info or I’ll be sent to collections, I contacted customer service several times and they gave me no help. Any advice on what to do?
Escalate it
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Old 05-21-2018, 02:48 PM   #2046
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WTF

I get people in the US have to rely on Walmart because some times there isn't much else around but holy shit, use literally any other website for stuff like this if they will have a creditor come after you because of their archaic system.
I went with Walmart for the instawatch copy, just sucks my card was compromised and it lead to a massive headache.
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Old 05-21-2018, 03:29 PM   #2047
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Has anyone watched the 4k copies on VUDU yet?
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Old 05-21-2018, 05:30 PM   #2048
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Thanks for the review Geoff. I’ve often wondered if the effects in Jurassic Park would ever be redone, but then Comcast bought Universal. Soooo.....lol. Really, really, really, really good will just have to do.
I'm sure they'll be redone eventually, once VFX technology advances enough that redoing the VFX in Jurassic Park to a high standard won't cost a fortune.
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Old 05-21-2018, 05:32 PM   #2049
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I'd be very surprised if Spielberg ever lets anyone redo anything in any of his movies. Not after he (rightfully) walked back on the ET changes.
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Old 05-21-2018, 05:40 PM   #2050
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I just realized that I paid less for the 4 film 4K steelbook ($55) than I did for the blu-ray trilogy collection in 2011 ($70). Insane.
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Old 05-21-2018, 05:40 PM   #2051
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Well, after he changed a few shots of the mothership in CE3K's 4K remaster and then said during the RPO press rounds that he'll never retouch his movies again (um...wut?) you never know what might happen. As sacrilegious as it would be I'd love to see some fresh CG dinos put in there, don't change a frame of the actual narrative but swap out them creaky old dinos for shiny new versions and I think that's the rationale that he actually goes by, as does James Cameron: touching up the effects and erasing goofs isn't the same thing as altering the narrative.
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Old 05-21-2018, 05:54 PM   #2052
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Considering upgrading, how much do you think the digitals can sel for. That would help lower the cost.
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Old 05-21-2018, 05:57 PM   #2053
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Well, after he changed a few shots of the mothership in CE3K's 4K remaster and then said during the RPO press rounds that he'll never retouch his movies again (um...wut?) you never know what might happen. As sacrilegious as it would be I'd love to see some fresh CG dinos put in there, don't change a frame of the actual narrative but swap out them creaky old dinos for shiny new versions and I think that's the rationale that he actually goes by, as does James Cameron: touching up the effects and erasing goofs isn't the same thing as altering the narrative.
Wouldn't that require getting back to the original plates?
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Just preorderd the Steelbook set from BB for in store pickup , looks like a couple of local ones were already sold out for in store pickup and the non steel was shipping only. Same goes for Walmart and Target it looks like.
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Shipping now. Won’t watch until next weekend though. Matrix is first in my pecking order.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:13 PM   #2056
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Wouldn't that require getting back to the original plates?
Yes, but that stuff will have been safely archived somewhere.
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Yes, but that stuff will have been safely archived somewhere.
Should have been you mean.

Universal seems to catch fire every so often and their storage seems to take the brunt of it.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:16 PM   #2058
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Heh, yeah, they're about due another fire.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:18 PM   #2059
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There are NO stacked discs in the steelbook
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Just got this in today. Can't wait to watch tonight.

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One minor scratch on the bluray book, but not the end of the world.
Both sets come with binders so no stacking. Good form Universal.

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