Blu-ray Vs Streaming/downloading - Page 12 - Blu-ray Forum

bigshot · 10-03-2013, 01:44 AM

I'm using an Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8500ub and a ten foot Stewart screen. I can see film grain in Ziegfeld and Cave of Forgotten dreams looks as good as the BBC Attenborough docs I have on blu.

This is like 24/96 vs 16/44.1 vs AAC 320. There is a point beyond which bigger numbers doesn't make as much of a difference any more. Yes, blu ray is higher quality, but sitting on the couch at a normal viewing distance from the screen, it isn't significant.

Steedeel · 10-03-2013, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshot

I'm using an Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8500ub and a ten foot Stewart screen. I can see film grain in Ziegfeld and Cave of Forgotten dreams looks as good as the BBC Attenborough docs I have on blu.

This is like 24/96 vs 16/44.1 vs AAC 320. There is a point beyond which bigger numbers doesn't make as much of a difference any more. Yes, blu ray is higher quality, but sitting on the couch at a normal viewing distance from the screen, it isn't significant.

Keep telling yourself that.

bigshot · 10-03-2013, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Twinks

Fioptics, 50mbps, no, Vudu HDX Netflix superhd and Amazon streaming.

I have had bad luck with Vudu, and I've never used Amazon. Try looking at some native 1080p content on Netflix, like TV shows or HD concerts and look carefully.

By the way, with 50mbps, you should be able to theoretically stream h264 movies that are around 35-40 gb. Have you ever looked at h264 video out of a 1080p video camera at those kinds of rates? It looks pretty damn good.

bigshot · 10-03-2013, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

Keep telling yourself that.

Come to Los Angeles and I will be happy to show you. I work in the film business and have supervised post production. I know what I'm looking at, and I carefully test everything I use before I use it in my system. I'm not making this up.

Steedeel · 10-03-2013, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshot

I have had bad luck with Vudu, and I've never used Amazon. Try looking at some native 1080p content on Netflix, like TV shows or HD concerts and look carefully.

Yep, done that. Bluray beats it into an ugly mess. Then, delivers a knockout blow at about 35 Mbps!

Steedeel · 10-03-2013, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshot

Come to Los Angeles and I will be happy to show you. I work in the film business and have supervised post production. I know what I'm looking at, and I carefully test everything I use before I use it in my system. I'm not making this up.

Don't care if you are Spielberg himself. I am not buying your theory. My opinion, my choice.

bigshot · 10-03-2013, 01:56 AM

You're welcome to come by for a visit and make turn your opinion into an informed opinion. Just PM me to arrange a time.

https://www.blu-ray.com/community/ga...member=bigshot

chip75 · 10-03-2013, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshot

The reason these haven't been released to blu-ray yet is because they make more money by streaming it. I can't think of any other reason than that.

The reason these titles haven't hit Blu-ray is because the studio don't see money in it. Authoring discs, printing sleeves, buying cases and shipping them to stores is more expensive than streaming them.

The biggest plus point with streaming is been able to get films and shows that won't make it to Blu-ray. If the content is made available to everyone then great but we'll see more and more exclusives and region restrictions (and price restrictions) and a concern many consumers have.

Steedeel · 10-03-2013, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshot

You're welcome to come by for a visit and make turn your opinion into an informed opinion. Just PM me to arrange a time.

I trust my own eyes thanks.

bigshot · 10-03-2013, 02:01 AM

What kind of system are you using your eyes on? I looked at your theater gallery and it was pictures of bluray covers, not a theater.

jamesdevil · 10-03-2013, 02:15 AM

Blu-ray will go the way of vinyl and CDs. You can't get your hands on those anymore.

ObiTrentKenobi · 10-03-2013, 02:20 AM

Physical Media (instant, high quality gratification) will never be completely replaced by Streaming Media (buffering wait time, variable quality, menu after menu, pay subscription service, rental costs, temporary availability, dependant on internet service at an additional cost, lose your internet lose your movies - go play outside).

Would you rather own your own car, or call a cab every time? (ooh thats a good analogy!)

One day Bluray will be replaced, but by another physical media. Just like vinyl, beta, vhs, laserdisc, dvd, hd-dvd. Streaming media is an accessory, an add-on.

Jar Jar Stinks · 10-03-2013, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi

Physical Media (instant, high quality gratification) will never be completely replaced by Streaming Media

Never, huh? Good to know.

slimdude · 10-03-2013, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jar Jar Stinks

Never, huh? Good to know.

Why are you being so anti, and non- supportive of Blu-ray?

bigshot · 10-03-2013, 03:08 AM

It's not a matter of supporting a format... if you love movies that look great, having inexpensive streaming of tons and tons high quality content is the best of all worlds. Streaming is pointing in that direction. It isn't there, but it should be encouraged to get there.

wormraper · 10-03-2013, 04:00 AM

I call bull too. I have seen them ALLLLLLL on streaming. Netflix, Vudu, Amazon, Apple TV... NONE of them come even CLOSE and I'm using 40mbps fiber.. always artifacting, intermittent buffering issues due to their servers and the audio isn't CLOSE

all this using a 120 inch screen with an 11 foot viewing distance as the max

Jar Jar Stinks · 10-03-2013, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by slimdude

Why are you being so anti, and non- supportive of Blu-ray?

I'm not. I'm just realistic about the future. Ask yourself why the studios are including digital copies with their discs. Maybe because they're trying to get the public used to purchasing streaming copies? No physical product, less potential for piracy, no sales lost to secondary market (used product), etc. It's coming.

42041 · 10-03-2013, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by slimdude

Why are you being so anti, and non- supportive of Blu-ray?

What's so great about blu-ray? If the quality was there, I'd go streaming in a second. Eventually, the quality will get there. A gigabit pipe could stream a movie with better quality than the DCPs you watch in theaters.

slimdude · 10-03-2013, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 42041

What's so great about blu-ray? If the quality was there, I'd go streaming in a second. Eventually, the quality will get there. A gigabit pipe could stream a movie with better quality than the DCPs you watch in theaters.

If you do decide to stream and download your movies, the overall quality will not be superior, nor equivalent to blu-ray.

bigshot · 10-03-2013, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wormraper

I call bull too. I have seen them ALLLLLLL on streaming. Netflix, Vudu, Amazon, Apple TV... NONE of them come even CLOSE and I'm using 40mbps fiber.. always artifacting, intermittent buffering issues due to their servers and the audio isn't CLOSE all this using a 120 inch screen with an 11 foot viewing distance as the max

Maybe it's Arizona. In LA, we have none of those problems.

10-03-2013, 01:56 AM	#227
bigshot Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2010 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:82 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:3	You're welcome to come by for a visit and make turn your opinion into an informed opinion. Just PM me to arrange a time. https://www.blu-ray.com/community/ga...member=bigshot Last edited by bigshot; 10-03-2013 at 01:59 AM.

10-03-2013, 02:20 AM	#232
ObiTrentKenobi Special Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:United States of Love 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:155 Digital collection:155 Blu-ray reviews: 1	Physical Media (instant, high quality gratification) will never be completely replaced by Streaming Media (buffering wait time, variable quality, menu after menu, pay subscription service, rental costs, temporary availability, dependant on internet service at an additional cost, lose your internet lose your movies - go play outside). Would you rather own your own car, or call a cab every time? (ooh thats a good analogy!) One day Bluray will be replaced, but by another physical media. Just like vinyl, beta, vhs, laserdisc, dvd, hd-dvd. Streaming media is an accessory, an add-on. Last edited by ObiTrentKenobi; 10-03-2013 at 02:22 AM.

10-03-2013, 01:44 AM	#221
bigshot Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2010 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:82 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:3	I'm using an Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8500ub and a ten foot Stewart screen. I can see film grain in Ziegfeld and Cave of Forgotten dreams looks as good as the BBC Attenborough docs I have on blu. This is like 24/96 vs 16/44.1 vs AAC 320. There is a point beyond which bigger numbers doesn't make as much of a difference any more. Yes, blu ray is higher quality, but sitting on the couch at a normal viewing distance from the screen, it isn't significant.

10-03-2013, 02:01 AM	#230
bigshot Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2010 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:82 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:3	What kind of system are you using your eyes on? I looked at your theater gallery and it was pictures of bluray covers, not a theater.

10-03-2013, 02:15 AM	#231
jamesdevil Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Oct 2009 Location:Raleigh, NC 4K collection:640 Blu-ray collection:987 DVD collection:18 MA collection:571 Digital collection:25 iTunes collection:119 Trading Score:20	Blu-ray will go the way of vinyl and CDs. You can't get your hands on those anymore.

10-03-2013, 03:08 AM	#235
bigshot Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2010 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:82 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:3	It's not a matter of supporting a format... if you love movies that look great, having inexpensive streaming of tons and tons high quality content is the best of all worlds. Streaming is pointing in that direction. It isn't there, but it should be encouraged to get there.

10-03-2013, 04:00 AM	#236
wormraper Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Tucson Arizona 4K collection:970 Blu-ray collection:5301 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:572	I call bull too. I have seen them ALLLLLLL on streaming. Netflix, Vudu, Amazon, Apple TV... NONE of them come even CLOSE and I'm using 40mbps fiber.. always artifacting, intermittent buffering issues due to their servers and the audio isn't CLOSE all this using a 120 inch screen with an 11 foot viewing distance as the max

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