Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[chip75]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

The old BD clearly has better details that this UHD.

What a travesty!

It's probably due to the artificial sharpening and edge enhancement.

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by jh901

I've only screened JP1, but the core 7.1 is fantastic. Is the core any different than the original release?

I heard it's the slightly altered 7.1 track from the 3D release. That one had Mountain Lion sounds added for the Raptors in the kitchen scene.
The best track I've heard so far of JP is the 5.1 DTS Laserdisc track. It has more bass than the theatrical DTS track.

[s_har]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

I think it's highly unlikely that every five years they will celebrate JP1 and put out a new remaster. Maybe they'll do that in the 40th anniversary (2033) and if 8K home video format arrives. But even then I am not counting on Universal to bring the original 35mm print colour timing on the home front.

I suspect you are right it won't happen. For the 30th anniversary they'll most likely just release a 30th anniversary boxset with the same UHDs that we got now. With the addition of the Jurrassic World trilogy. Unless Spielberg himself cares enough to get involved or something.

[Sabre95]

Is there any reviews for The Lost World or JP3?

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

Guys, the original film never looked as cold or pink as the 2D BD/UHD have us believe. Look at these photos of the Jeep below. They were officially SAND BEIGE and red coloured, not pink and orange -

1. Production still -

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I've tried my best to proove to you guys how farther removed from the original colour timing the UHD is. Now, if you still prefer the present colours then I really don't know what to say to you guys. Universal home video department has destroyed the original look of the films in favour of a pale video-like pink and cold look.

Well, it's difficult to prove when you keep posting this production still where the jeep is GREEN. How does that prove it's supposed to be sand beige? You keep using this wildly inaccurate still, but I honestly don't know for what purpose.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

I heard it's the slightly altered 7.1 track from the 3D release. That one had Mountain Lion sounds added for the Raptors in the kitchen scene.
The best track I've heard so far of JP is the 5.1 DTS Laserdisc track. It has more bass than the theatrical DTS track.

That's because it was mis-encoded and is 10dB too high. The surrounds are 3dB too hot as well.


For someone who is fanatical about theatrical grading the sound being screwed up wouldn't be "the best".

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

Look here - https://imgur.com/a/RtHd0iH

Thanks for this gallery, Riddhi.

After all i've read on the CG because of this UHD Transfer..



And this is supposed to be the worst shot of the movie CG wise.

These plates were not scanned at 1K btw, resolution was around 1.5 as i can read online, i'm sure i've read somewhere 1.8 (T2 was nearly 2K). When in the Cinefex interview Dippè speaks about the brachiosaur sequence he only says that these plates were digitally scanned and worked on alot (like trees replacements), with, basically, Photoshop.
It also shouldn't be forgotten that in these shots water is digital, birds are CG, and they even had a digital heat distortion filter all over the valley.
Taken with a camera from a printed magazine (Cinefex, which is not big in size at all):

UHD Left, Cinefex Right









According to Muren, anyway, these shots should look much better than any optical.

[buckeye1]

I finally got my noticed that my order has shipped.. Doubtful for tomorrow but hopefully by Saturday.

[CaptWithNoName]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

I heard it's the slightly altered 7.1 track from the 3D release. That one had Mountain Lion sounds added for the Raptors in the kitchen scene.
The best track I've heard so far of JP is the 5.1 DTS Laserdisc track. It has more bass than the theatrical DTS track.

I've never heard the laserdisc track, but the DTS:X track shakes my room quite effectively. Especially the T-rex roar that caps off the paddock attack sequence which is by far one of my favorite sound effects ever. For some reason, the sequel T-Rex roars feel more subdued to me. As if the bass is almost fully removed in favor of just the treble.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

I heard it's the slightly altered 7.1 track from the 3D release. That one had Mountain Lion sounds added for the Raptors in the kitchen scene.
The best track I've heard so far of JP is the 5.1 DTS Laserdisc track. It has more bass than the theatrical DTS track.

I'm a proponent of appropriate bass. I'm confident quite of few members here would find something beneficial from hearing an audiophile's effort at surround. It's a shame no one here has shared experiences.

In any event, since the core 7.1 is unique, then that's yet another subset of members who should consider the upgrade, despite grain management concerns. So, those who lack object-oriented, go for it!

[Doctorossi]

So, now we're using uncalibrated PC monitors to compare SDR-transformed and data compressed video screenshots to

scans of magazine pages

for the purpose of color reference to film prints?!

[rashbeep]

i don't think he's trying to show those as a colour reference, rather showing how soft the uhd can look in the cgi shots

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by rashbeep

i don't think he's trying to show those as a colour reference, rather showing how soft the uhd can look in the cgi shots

I sure hope so.

Apologies, VickPS, if I completely misread your purpose.

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by pawel86ck

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/114177
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/114178
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/114179

Massive improvement.

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Well, it's difficult to prove when you keep posting this production still where the jeep is GREEN. How does that prove it's supposed to be sand beige? You keep using this wildly inaccurate still, but I honestly don't know for what purpose.

You intentionally selected only that production still but left out the ILM freeze-frame from the film and the numerous other evidence I provided. Barring the 2D Blu-rays, almost all other photographic evidence, including the perfect JP Motor Pool Jeep paintings (click the link and see), all point to the fact that the Jeep was Sand beige.
The biggest evidence comes from a dialogue in 'Jurassic World' where Ty Simpkins' character Gray looks at the old Jeeps in the garage and says "1993 Jeep Wrangler Sahara Sand Beige." Zack then replies, "You remember when we fixed up Grandpa's old Malibu right?"

Jurassic World The Original Visitors Center - YouTube

Again, look at the colour of the Jeeps. Same Sand Beige, Nothing like the 2DBD or the 4K UHD -

Kids Find the Gas Jeep (Behind the Scenes) - YouTube

[Mierzwiak]

We can only imagine how JP would look if it was Sony or Warner title...

[Riddhi2011]

^ Yes, we can ONLY IMAGINE. I think Universal, left to themselves, will never allow the original look of the prints on home video. Because then it'd mean them accepting that they were wrong with the colours on the 2DBD and the UHD.
The only reason the 3D slipped past their fingrs is because Spielberg was involved and StereoD oversaw both the scanning and the colour-correction. Universal's home video department was not involved in that. I think Spielberg is too busy with his new films to devote time to home video versions.

[StingingVelvet]

A lot of people seem to be treating the first movie's UHD as an upgrade without question, but I don't think I agree with that. If you're really sensitive to DNR/smudgy look, which I am, then I could easily see an argument for preferring the BD, flawed as it is. As I said in my post last night I'm really 50/50 on it, so someone saying "eh this UHD isn't worth it" makes total sense to me, depending on priorities.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

So, now we're using uncalibrated PC monitors to compare SDR-transformed and data compressed video screenshots to

scans of magazine pages

for the purpose of color reference to film prints?!

Yeah, it still baffles me that people use screenshots and picture of film prints to make comparisons. There are so many variables that change the colors and just overall look when capturing them from the source that they should not be relied upon at all to make proper comparisons.

On the one hand you have UHD screenshots getting converted to SDR and to a narrower color palette, with most getting further compressed when uploaded, then most people seeing them on uncalibrated displays. That alone puts them in a far-removed place already, so using them negates any proper comparisons to the UHD.

Any pictures taken of a film print will be vastly changed due to the light and background color present behind the film when the picture was taken, light around it, and then the light of the camera if any. That changes the colors and dynamic range of the film too much already as well, so it negates using them for proper comparisons also.

So why in the world is anyone using either of these types of pictures and screenshots to compare the transfers when they are already so far removed from how they really look at their respective source (UHD disc and film) by the time they get to the forums?

My faith in humanity decreases lol.

[Batman1980]

I own the UK box set of the first 3 films, holding out hope for some great box set of all 5 films with proper transfers on UHD.