The Shining 4K UHD (1980)

[JackForrester]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

That spiderwalk is so beautifully dropped into the edit.

Not.

If only they had used the original spider walk scene but Friedkin loves to downgrade his films during restorations.

[Bronson13]

Originally Posted by JackForrester

If only they had used the original spider walk scene but Friedkin loves to downgrade his films during restorations.

What was so poorly edited about it? I never saw a problem with it. Honest question just curious.

[-shadow-]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

The things I'd to for a 4K transfer of the workprint without the cropping. I know the upgrade would be negligible, but still.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by -shadow-

The things I'd to for a 4K transfer of the workprint without the cropping. I know the upgrade would be negligible, but still.

The cropping is baked in though, the workprint transfer is derived from the 70mm 2.20 print (as I'm sure you know).

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by Bronson13

What was so poorly edited about it? I never saw a problem with it. Honest question just curious.

it's thrown in like a wet fart at a funeral. check it. seriously. I checked it before I made my original comment, as I remembered it being really bad.

and it is.

[captainsolo]

Originally Posted by -shadow-

The things I'd to for a 4K transfer of the workprint without the cropping. I know the upgrade would be negligible, but still.

If someone did a 4k scan of the 1992 director’s cut materials-which were done right off the vaulted elements resulting in arguably the best the film has ever looked-I think it would wipe the floor with the Final cut.
My mouth hit the floor when finally seeing the DC print and I’ve seen the FC prints.

If anything the BR versions should be WACs first foray into 4k.

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by JackForrester

If only they had used the original spider walk scene but Friedkin loves to downgrade his films during restorations.

Both versions of the “Spider-Walk” are bad, imo.

[Nightman04]

One of my favorite films of all time. I can’t express how happy I am to hear this is getting the 4k treatment. I’m just going to have to change my avatar.

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by Bronson13

What was so poorly edited about it? I never saw a problem with it. Honest question just curious.

I wish the editor stayed on the front angle for the entire Spider-Walk scene, but I understand the need for an establishing shot. Still, the brief (sped up) side angle does look bad.

[GuyBrushwood9000]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

WB would need to go back and do rigorous 4K, including 8K, scans of the elements of the rest of the official cuts. Would be another release I hereby wouldn't mind purchasing again.


If The Shining, why not A Clockwork Orange too?

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

it's thrown in like a wet fart at a funeral. check it. seriously. I checked it before I made my original comment, as I remembered it being really bad.

and it is.

I hate the extra scenes to The Exorcist. The extra faces and the spider walk. They are both complete overkill, making the whole thing more funny than disturbing. I want a 4K of this one with the original jump cut restored, which I know will not happen. :-(



For Blade Runner, 'The Final Cut' is actually my favorite cut (even with the revisionism), but I'd prefer to have the rest of the cuts, especially the 'International Theatrical Cut', which is my close second favorite.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by Nightman04

One of my favorite films of all time. I can’t express how happy I am to hear this is getting the 4k treatment. I’m just going to have to change my avatar.

I feel the EXACT same way! The Shining is one of if not the most perfect film made of all time!

The Direction of camera-work is unparalleled alone in Cinematography. Stanley used all he learned finally from 2001, ACO, Barry Lyndon to get here!

Then the script is so packed with mysterious nuance. There's an overflow of parallelisms, then the use of colors and patterns from red, white, blue, black, earthy.

Numerous amounts of foreshadowing & subconscious creepy psychology.

The Overlook being built on a Native American graveyard. The parallel between the USA Grady being British commanding Jack to kill them like he did to his twin daughters and wife! Then you take a look at the colors in the bathroom where they have that conversation and realize they are all the same that Nazi's used Red , White, and Black! Mass genocide! Same as native Americans! Double creeper points!

Damn creepy movie! And it's all in there, and it all happened in World History, but we need to retrace our steps if we are to survive like Danny in the snow at the end. Just to cool. To well done for a movie. Probably the best overall. I don't know how you could make a movie about Mass Genocide, but here it is. Oh and Jack is frozen in time by the end...but the seasons change.

I feel he / Stanley did finally change the way stories are told in this one, and I think this is his Ultimate movie. I think it changed the form of Cinema but no one can really put it all together as one man and movies are not made like this. I believe it took 2 years and 5 years of pre planning.

I'd say it is his Ultimate movie at his top form. can't wait to own the 4K!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by GuyBrushwood9000

WB would need to go back and do rigorous 4K, including 8K, scans of the elements of the rest of the official cuts. Would be another release I hereby wouldn't mind purchasing again.


If The Shining, why not A Clockwork Orange too?

I doubt they'd go back to the 65mm VFX elements again when working up the previous cuts. Scan the conformed 35mm negative in, grab the trims for the international and director's cuts, take it from there.

[David Craig]

Day one for me!

[goodnitesteve]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

There's at least one independent theater who has their hands on it. They attempted to screen it a few years ago but the Kubrick estate (or WB, memory's fuzzy) got wind and ordered the screening halt. Maybe one day it'll end up in other hands who screen it by "surprise."

This was the George Eastman House in Rochester. I almost went, until they rescinded the offer. They claimed it to be a mistake, but who the hell knows.

[harpolini]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

How about you actually watch both valid versions before completely shitting on the one you haven't seen? You'd know more on the subject. im not doing fighting talk. im just talking sense. I mean it wasn't cut down by just any old so and so.

I appreciate both versions.

Grew up with the US version so perhaps I'm biased. I recently watched the UK version and it's much more brisk and it loses that almost psychedelic, slow burn quality the US version has.

[rroeder]

More Shining>less Shining

I'm always bummed when Nicholson's frozen face comes on the screen, more more more!

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

[Show spoiler]Right? Pacing is about finding the right rhythm for the story you want to tell, whether it's over 4 minutes or 4 hours, and storytelling isn't about spunking every last frame of film up onto the screen for the sake of it - hence my despair when the running time of an assembly cut is mentioned in an interview with whatever filmmaker, so certain people now have it in their head that a mythical umpteen-hour long version exists.

I've stayed out of the longer/shorter Shinning debate (in this particular SK thread at least ) up until now because it's all been done to death, but **** it: I don't much like the longer version. For me it outstays its welcome as it's a horror film that doesn't really have a whole lot happening in it, this is by design BUT there comes a point for me that whatever sensation of creeping dread it possesses gradually fritters away each time. The shorter version however maintains that atmosphere IMO.

Alien is a "slow" film that got this kind of rhythm absolutely dead-on within its <2hr running time, and it's why Ridley Scott nixed Fox's original attempt at doing an extended version which was just gonna chuck in a load of deleted scenes on top. He eventually gave them their deleted scenes but only by tightening up the rest of the existing movie around it, delivering quite a different cut at almost the same running time. Those two versions are a good study for anyone who wants to actually learn about what pacing is and does (hint: it's not always about total running time being longer or shorter) instead of dismissing such things as pseudo-intellectual claptrap.

Hopefully this alleged Shining UHD will contain both cuts in all editions (it's the only way to be sure) so I look forward to watching the longer version again and seeing if my opinion and/or my attention span has changed. Strange thing is, given that obvious deficiency of mine, I also find Barry Lyndon to be an almost hypnotic watch, the length of that film is absolutely perfect and I even think it may be SK's true masterpiece (amongst a slew of other masterpieces, natch).

Agree with all of the above but especially the bolded. The constant tedium does seem to be intended by SK in the American cut but the dread dissipates as the tedium builds for me as well. I had actually always considered The Shining more funny (in a black Kubrick way) than horrifying but that's changed since finding the Euro cut. It's pacing is relentless and it's harder to laugh when a film never lets you get comfortable.

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Was inspired to give this yet another watch this weekend and observed two things I previously hadn't picked up:

1 Jack is reading a Playgirl magazine in the hotel lobby. WTF?
2 Jack twice orders a bourbon from Lloyd but both times is given a Tennessee whiskey instead with no complaint. I have a hard time imagining SK taking any drugs, alcohol included, and wonder if he knew the difference? And I do miss the the shot of Jack taking his first drink btw. It perfectly captures the feeling of getting your fix and also anticipates his expression at the end of the film. The 'spe*m bank' and 'women: can't live with 'em...' lines are good cuts however IMO. Not due to taking offense but rather because that's one of the exchanges that has me laughing during the American cut. The scene where Jack acknowledges that he abused his son has more impact with less humor IMO.

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[Kyle15]

Spe*m

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Spe*m

Try using the full word in a post. I figured one asterisk was preferable to five.