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Originally Posted by chip75
I usually say if there's one Blu-ray I'd show to demonstrate the format it's Star Trek: The Next Generation, I'd be wary of putting on a feature as I'd go for something very filmic.
I think there's some confusion with terminology. People might be confusing Demo Material with Reference Material.
The purpose of demo material is to highlight a product, so in this case, 4K, HDR and a wider colour gamut. With HD TVs they're usually set to Torch Mode™, a UHD demo would be along those lines. We then get a separation between what the public expects to see at home watching movies, a UHD Torch Mode™ and what they actually get. We get the same separation between Torch Mode, the preset used to sell a display and Movie Mode, people want their content searing their eyeballs for some reason.
Reference Material would be content done to a standard where you could hold it up against others to judge, whether it's compression, colour accuracy, dynamic range, gradation, whatever.
Reference material isn't always "demo worthy" for the Average Joe, but it usually is to us lot here. Demos can be fun, but I wouldn't want to sit through two hours of them.
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To several people "demo material"
means "reference material", that's the problem. They're not interested in a dark, grainy but wonderfully authentic transfer being a "reference" for how
that content should look, all they care about is if it meets
their notions of "reference" which is clearly gauged by some folks as to how much they can impress other people with it. To me that's about ass-backwards as it gets but then, as I've said, those people have always been there ever since there was a 'better format' than the one they were currently using. For if you can't show it off to people to prove you haven't bought a lemon then what's the point, amirite?
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Originally Posted by infiniteCR
Agreed. The Hunt for Red October comes to mind; it didn't have the glitz and glamor of a demo disc, but to me is one of the best upgrades I've made on the format. I'm not seeing that situation here with CR though. If you're buying it for your first time, it seems like a no brainer though.
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As some people have been fond of saying whenever a new transfer of a catalogue movie gets compared to a BD: it's easier for these things to look like a hell of an upgrade when they're being compared to a particularly grotty old BD, 'specially those from Universal and Paramount back in the day.
But when we're dealing with such modern content that's already been given good-to-great treatment on video - as direct DI data migrations usually are - then it's harder to make a new version stand out, which for me is one of the main reasons why studios are swerving 4K rebuilds in the first place (a few Sony joints and Fox's The Martian aside) because spatial resolution alone just won't cut it. These first two CraigBonds could've been rebuilt in 4K, yes, but how much of an improvement would that have been for such recent films?
Hellboy is an example, the new 4K rebuild is rather good but then so was the original Sony Blu-ray created from the original 2K master (which itself was scanned at 4K). The new one's main benefits are in the rendition of grain and improved spatial details which are so small that - to borrow a certain point of view from one of our resident 4K sceptics - you've gotta scrutinise it up close to able to discern, which then just leaves That Darned HDR™ as the potentially biggest point of difference anyway - which several people consider to be snake oil as it is or simply don't have the gear to appreciate it, so we're back to square one.
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