The Shining (1980)

[Monterey Jack]

Picked up the steelbook from Best Buy today.

[Eye Candy]

I watched the film again last night. I was triggered when watching coverage of the Amtrak train that was stranded near Oakridge, Oregon for almost 2 days. In the surrounding coverage, they showed a weather cam looking at the Timberline Lodge, and that's all it took...


I must say, that for me, Barry Nelson's portrayal of the Stuart Ullman character was perfection!


The voice, the delivery, the mannerisms, whether sitting or walking, is just magnificent.

[Bronson13]

Originally Posted by Eye Candy

I watched the film again last night. I was triggered when watching coverage of the Amtrak train that was stranded near Oakridge, Oregon for almost 2 days. In the surrounding coverage, they showed a weather cam looking at the Timberline Lodge, and that's all it took...


I must say, that for me, Barry Nelson's portrayal of the Stuart Ullman character was perfection!


The voice, the delivery, the mannerisms, whether sitting or walking, is just magnificent.

Yes Barry Nelson was incredible. Much different from the book version who was a complete a-hole.

If Kubrick went with the alternate ending it would have implied Ullman was in with the evil spirits of the Overlook.

[Eye Candy]

Originally Posted by surfdude12

very odd. I just heard audio of video in that link and he clearly said "8 AND 10"

I double-checked the film today and Ullman does say "8 and 10", and that's also what is displayed in the subtitles.


And, I checked the script and the script says "8 or 10."

M.S. ULLMAN.

ULLMAN
I don't suppose they eh told you
anything in Denver about the
tragedy we had up here during the
winter of 1970?

CUT TO:

M.C.S. JACK shakes his head.

JACK
I don't believe they did.

CUT TO:

M.S. BILL WATSON.

ULLMAN (OFF)
Well, my predecessor in this job

CUT TO:

M.S. ULLMAN.

ULLMAN (CONT'D)
hired a man named Charles Grady, as
the winter caretaker. He came up
here with his wife and two little
girls of about eight or ten. And
he had a good employment record,
good references and from what I've
been told, I mean, he seemed like a
completely normal individual. But
at some point during the winter, he
must have suffered some kind of a
complete mental breakdown.
(MORE)
.
11.


ULLMAN (CONT'D)
He ran amok and eh... killed his
family with an axe,

CUT TO:

M.C.S. JACK

ULLMAN (OFF) (CONT'D)
stacked them neatly in one of the
rooms in the West Wing, and then he
um... then he put eh both barrels
of his shotgun in his mouth.

CUT TO:

M.S. ULLMAN sitting behind desk.

ULLMAN (CONT'D)
The police eh... they thought that
it was what the old-timers used to
call cabin-fever, a kind of
claustrophobic reaction which can
occur when people are

CUT TO:

M.C.S. JACK

ULLMAN (OFF) (CONT'D)
shut in together over long periods
of time.

JACK
Well, that is eh quite a story.

[Bronson13]

Yeah they’re not Twins..... it’s really weird. I don’t know why Kubrick just didn’t call the name Twins in that scene. A rare mess up from the master.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by Bronson13

Yeah they’re not Twins..... it’s really weird. I don’t know why Kubrick just didn’t call the name Twins in that scene. A rare mess up from the master.

Don't think it was a mistake... it is more like, Ullman himself doesn't even know all the facts in that incident. The rest is left to Jack and the audience to find out.

[agenda]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Don't think it was a mistake... it is more like, Ullman himself doesn't even know all the facts in that incident. The rest is left to Jack and the audience to find out.

I was thinking about the same thing, but still, its weird that its in the dialogue the way it is. One can always learn something new from The Shining.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Bronson13

Yeah they’re not Twins..... it’s really weird. I don’t know why Kubrick just didn’t call the name Twins in that scene. A rare mess up from the master.

The actresses who play the two kids in the movie are twins in real life.

But in the movie, those two slain kids are not Grady’s daughters.


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[CineSicko]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

The actresses who play the two kids in the movie are twins in real life.

But in the movie, those two slain kids are not Grady’s daughters.

How did you draw that conclusion?

[MifuneFan]

Look, if the script said 8 or 10, and Ulman said 8 and 10, it probably is a mistake that got overlooked. I know we want to believe Kubrick made no mistakes and everything is intentional, but it makes no sense why he would switch it from the scipt, which actually lines up with the book, and what we see on the screen.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Look, if the script said 8 or 10, and Ulman said 8 and 10, it probably is a mistake that got overlooked. I know we want to believe Kubrick made no mistakes and everything is intentional, but it makes no sense why he would switch it from the scipt, which actually lines up with the book, and what we see on the screen.

But the way I see it, it seems more difficult to believe that was a mistake. Kubrick knows his script and knows the actresses hired were twins and looked identical- He either would have tweaked the script OR cast two different child actresses who clearly look 8 and 10.

[eiknarf]

[quote=SoundFlyk;16133712]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

The actresses who play the two kids in the movie are twins in real life.



According to Wiki:

The Grady sisters look so similar that they appear to be twins, though they're actually different ages (Ullman states that he thinks that they were about eight and ten).

Huh?

The actresses are twins

[MifuneFan]

Apparently Occam's Razor doesn't exist when it comes to Kubrick. You have Ullman utter 'or' there and everything lines up perfectly. There's no logical reason Kubrick would change it to 'and'. He didn't expect people to splice apart each word and come up with a billion theories for things. It's almost certainly an unintentionally misspoken line that either didn't get noticed, or Kubrick left in not expecting it to be analyzed to death.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Apparently Occam's Razor doesn't exist when it comes to Kubrick. You have Ullman utter or there and everything lines up perfectly. There's no logical reason Kubrick would change it to and. He didn't expect people to splice apart each word and come up with a billion theories for things. It's almost certainly a misspoken line that either didn't get noticed, or Kubrick left in for whatever reason.

That’s fair.
I could get behind that.

I just found this which I had since forgotten:

http://www.collativelearning.com/the...chap%2020.html

Basically, summed up it’s saying that the slain twins are not Grady’s daughter’s

The first detail that discredits the idea of them being Grady’s daughters is that Ullman described Grady as having “two little girls, about eight and ten”. In other words, Grady’s daughters were not twins.

Ullman’s assumptions of different ages would be based upon visual differences in the girls’ appearance, but the girls Danny sees are definitely twins because Kubrick chose a pair of young twin actresses (Louise and Lisa Burns) to play them.

The slain girls are most likely a mirrored image of a single character. In the tricycle scene not only are they presented to us in symmetrical composition, but the hallway in which they are standing is also symbolically mirrored along the center. They also speak identical lines of dialogue in sync at the same time - AND even their blood stained corpses are symbolically mirrored (One twin is face down and the other is face up, with their heads and feet on opposite sides of the screen and the limbs arranged identically). It’s as if during the process of being murdered their torsos have been spun along the center axis of the screen.

[MifuneFan]

Ager is the Kubrick equivalent of a flat-earther. That's all I'll say about that.

[andyman1970]

Duped again. Saw this thread resurfaced and thought it might be about a 4k announcement.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Ager is the Kubrick equivalent of a flat-earther. That's all I'll say about that.

Hahahaha
I actually cracked up

[Bronson13]

Lol quoting Ager. He’s even loonier then the idiots on Room 237. It was just a mistake. It happens. He might have filmed that scene before he even decided to make them twins. We will never know. He did film the movie in order so it’s a possibility. There’s no meaning behind it.

Now with the two Grady’s, someone tried to convince me once that it was a mistake by Kubrick. If you think that’s a mistake Kubrick would make then you’re insane.

Edit: just read the script that was posted. Yup it was a mistake. Never knew it said that in the script. That should clear it up.

[TylerDurden389]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Look, if the script said 8 or 10, and Ulman said 8 and 10, it probably is a mistake that got overlooked.

[leoganzi]

Originally Posted by andyman1970

Duped again. Saw this thread resurfaced and thought it might be about a 4k announcement.

Yeah, same here.

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