The Official Acoustic Audio Subwoofer Owners Thread - Page 183 - Blu-ray Forum

kw0225 · 11-01-2011, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theJman

You can't really compare your settings to anyone else's because each environment is different. So are individual listening tendencies. That precludes direct comparisons.

All subwoofers take a while to break in, and will generally sound weak when you first use them. I wouldn't really consider doing any critical listening -- or evaluation -- for at least a dozen hours. As time goes on what you'll often find is the sound will become richer and more full-bodied, forcing you to turn the gain down some.

What do you have the subwoofer output set at in your AVR? I also turn that up a few dB during break in, and like the gain I'll usually need to turn it back down as the subwoofer breaks in.

I think it was hooked up wrong at first, haha.. Now it's sounding a lot better, but the gain is still pretty high. I'll see how it sounds in a few days, thanks!

derrickdj1 · 11-06-2011, 11:57 PM

Just tried to purchase a RW 15in sub and it seems that there are no more. Are they still selling AA sub or is there something going on with the manufacturer? I did see 2-3 on Ebay.

theJman · 11-07-2011, 12:24 AM

I noticed that as well. At one point they had quite a number of subs on ebay, not anymore it seems. Most of them are on their website though, so perhaps they decided to de-emphasis ebay and go with direct (read: full price) sales. Not sure though...

Big Daddy · 11-07-2011, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derrickdj1

Just tried to purchase a RW 15in sub and it seems that there are no more. Are they still selling AA sub or is there something going on with the manufacturer? I did see 2-3 on Ebay.

Quote:

Originally Posted by theJman

I noticed that as well. At one point they had quite a number of subs on ebay, not anymore it seems. Most of them are on their website though, so perhaps they decided to de-emphasis ebay and go with direct (read: full price) sales. Not sure though...

Periodically they run out of subwoofers and it takes some time for them to get another batch from China or any other country that manufactures them. This has happened before.

theJman · 11-07-2011, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Periodically they run out of subwoofers and it takes some time for them to get another batch from China or any other country that manufactures them. This has happened before.

I would think if it's merely a depleted stock issue they wouldn't be listed on their website too, but being that they are it infers something else. But who knows - stranger things have happened...

ChopsRR · 11-17-2011, 12:40 PM

Wow, what a great site and an even greater thread!

This is my first post here, but just wanted to say that I am going to be receiving a pristine HD-SUB10 tomorrow evening from one of my brothers. He's upgraded to twin 12" Polk subs and will be bringing the AA sub over tomorrow.

Anyway, I'll be using this sub in my apartment in the HT system. Now I'm not new to subs at all or how to set them up properly. In fact, I used to design and install home audio/theater systems professionally years ago. I've also had my fair share of small and large DIY subs as well as a couple of Sunfire, Earthquake and large SVS subs.

I was under the impression that this was the HD-SUB12, but it is in fact the 10. So I might at some point move this one to the rear and upgrade to the 12 later on for up front. And that's the point behind this post...

What are peoples views on the HD-SUB10?

There's loads and loads of info and reviews on the 12 (mainly in this thread), but not a whole lot about the 10. I've never heard this sub before so I'm just curious how it stacks up against the 12 as far as bass quality and extension is concerned.

Keep in mind, this IS going into a second floor apartment, so it's not like I'll be blasting the thing at all, but I can get some vibrations going if you know what I mean. It'll be paired up to my AV123 X-Statik's and matching X-Voce.

Here's a quick pic of the current setup. Also notice that I have a dedicated 2-ch music only system on the same rack...

ChopsRR · 11-18-2011, 02:45 AM

So does anyone care to comment on this?

I've been looking and still can't find anything on the 10" sub.

Big Daddy · 11-18-2011, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChopsRR

So does anyone care to comment on this?

I've been looking and still can't find anything on the 10" sub.

Read these two posts. They are reviews of HD-SUB 10.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/1805127-post415.html
https://forum.blu-ray.com/subwoofers...ml#post1841007

ChopsRR · 11-18-2011, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Read these two posts. They are reviews of HD-SUB 10.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/1805127-post415.html
https://forum.blu-ray.com/subwoofers...ml#post1841007

That's pretty much the only things I've come up with in my searches. It seems that the little 10 doesn't get much love.

Big Daddy · 11-18-2011, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsRR

That's pretty much the only things I've come up with in my searches. It seems that the little 10 doesn't get much love.

They are very inexpensive. Most people buy the 12" or 15". Currently, The Deep Discount is almost out of subwoofers. If you want to buy one, you may have to wait a while. If you bid carefully on Ebay, you can buy a 15" for less than $200. A few months ago, I managed to win a 15" HD-SUB 15 for $169 plus free shipping. I wanted to use the cabinet and the amplifier. I increased the diameter of the opening and put a huge 15" Planet Audio driver with the help of two spacer rings. The subwoofer really rocks.

PlanetAudioDriver2.jpg

HDSub3.jpg

HDSub6.jpg

The first picture is the picture of the 12" Planet Audio. The 15" driver is even bigger. I don't have a picture out of the box.

derrickdj1 · 11-18-2011, 07:14 AM

BD, that looks great. Did you use the amp that came with the AA sub and did you have to modify it? Is the X-over setting the same. Just asking because I have a RW 15 AA sub. I can't imagine a stronger sub in my HT, but is does not mean I don't like tinkering with things.

ChopsRR · 11-18-2011, 02:05 PM

Big D, I doubt I'll be doing anything like that with this sub. As I said, I live on the second floor of an apartment. I can't have something super powerful or the neighbors will be annoyed. That's actually why I got rid of the SVS PB12-Plus/2 I had. It was a great sub, but even at low volumes that thing dug so deep it would shake the entire complex. It had usable output down to 14Hz! Plus it was huge and we really didn't have the room for it.

Depending on how this little HD-SUB10 performs, I might just get another identical sub to put in the corner of our couch and love seat. My Onkyo TX-SR607 has dual sub outs, so why not use them!

Blu-Benny · 11-18-2011, 02:36 PM

I got to play w/my 12” this past weekend a bit and think I may have it set to just the right spot where it’s not overpowering but still gives off a nice low end while watching movies.

Can’t wait to throw something in 2nite and test it out.

Big Daddy · 11-18-2011, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derrickdj1

BD, that looks great. Did you use the amp that came with the AA sub and did you have to modify it? Is the X-over setting the same. Just asking because I have a RW 15 AA sub. I can't imagine a stronger sub in my HT, but is does not mean I don't like tinkering with things.

Thank you. I used the same amplifier that came with the subwoofer. I did not modify anything on the amp. It drives the big driver with no problems.

This is another modified AA HD-SUB 12 with a 12" Dayton Aluminum driver.

AA-HD-SUB12-Dayton-Driver.jpg

ChopsRR · 11-19-2011, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Thank you. I used the same amplifier that came with the subwoofer. I did not modify anything on the amp. It drives the big driver with no problems.

This is another modified AA HD-SUB 12 with a 12" Dayton Aluminum driver.

Attachment 40745

What kind of improvements did you find using that Dayton driver in place of the original AA driver?

ChopsRR · 11-19-2011, 01:30 PM

BTW, my brother brought over the sub last night, we set it up and I ran the Audyssey calibration on my Onkyo TX-SR607 receiver. After all was said and done, the subwoofer level on the back of the sub was set at around the 2 o'clock position and -3 on the receiver. It is roughly 1' from the front wall and about 4' from the side wall. I tweaked all of the crossover points and have the mains and center crossed at 60Hz, the front and rear surrounds at 90Hz and the sub at 80Hz. Also, for best results, I have the phase switch on the sub set to 180*.

My brother has already done a couple of simple mods to this sub as far as pulling the driver and putting more poly-fill in, and also removed the stock plastic feet and screwed in big, nice and very sharp spiked feet.

The movie for the night was Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part II.

I can honestly say, this is the best 50 bucks I have ever spent on a piece of stereo equipment! Being the first time for me to hear this sub (and to watch this movie), I was totally amazed at the sound of this little thing. It's small and weighs nearly nothing, but the quality and amount of bass that effortlessly pours out of this thing is shocking to say the least, and is up there right along with the big name brand subs on the market.

I've read several posts that say these subs can be a little boomy with music and/or lack some detail. I found none of this to be true. It's could be a combination of the poly-fill, spiked feet and most importantly, the position of the sub in the room.

I could easily hear the subtle details in the music throughout the movie as well as the music in the end credits. I could also slight details during the action scenes in the movie. Then again, I do have my front 3 channels running down to 60Hz, so I'm probably getting a lot of that detail from those which is a good thing obviously.

So maybe I'm getting most of my bass details from the main channels, but still, this sub is nowhere near being boomy. It just does what it's supposed to do, fill in the bottom end and add in all of that impact, which it does quite well. It also does a pretty good job of pressurizing the room with bass down around the 20-25Hz region. It kind of reminded me of the little SVS PB10-NSD I had for a while, though that one definitely dug deeper that this HD-SUB10. Even at pretty high volume levels, this sub just thundered away shaking the entire room and floor without any signs of stress, distortion or chuffing. The amplifier never got hot either, just slightly warm.

All in all, it's a great little sub for the money for sure and like I said, can compete very well against the big boys out there. I can very easily see another one of these HD-SUB10's finding its way into my system at some point.

If I have to gripe about anything it would be about the "auto on/off" feature. The sub seemed to be off more than on, and it would shut off rather quick, probably within 20 seconds or less. I just went and flipped it on permanently, then turned it off when I shut the rest of the system down.

With that said, I give this little guy

ChopsRR · 11-21-2011, 01:48 AM

A few pics of the HD-SUB10 in my system...

theJman · 11-21-2011, 01:29 PM

How close is that to the wall? With the rear-firing port I would have assumed it needed to be a foot or more away in order to properly dissipate, but it seems yours is closer then that. Also, what are those isolators you're using? They look like tiny hockey pucks.

ChopsRR · 11-21-2011, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theJman

How close is that to the wall? With the rear-firing port I would have assumed it needed to be a foot or more away in order to properly dissipate, but it seems yours is closer then that. Also, what are those isolators you're using? They look like tiny hockey pucks.

The back of the sub is roughly 14" in front of the wall. And those are in fact actual regulation Florida Panthers hockey pucks. I bought them in bulk, 30 of them. I have them under the equipment and everything. They work great and help add a little breathing room for some of the gear. I even tried them under the NHT's, but it made them a little too wobbly.

theJman · 11-22-2011, 12:45 AM

Ha, I thought those were hockey pucks! Very inventive...

14" sounds about right. I figured if it was much closer it wasn't going to work all that well. The picture just makes it appear closer I guess.

11-06-2011, 11:57 PM	#3642
derrickdj1 Member Member since:Oct 2011	Acoustic Audio Subs Just tried to purchase a RW 15in sub and it seems that there are no more. Are they still selling AA sub or is there something going on with the manufacturer? I did see 2-3 on Ebay.

11-17-2011, 12:40 PM	#3646
ChopsRR Member Member since:Nov 2011 Location:St Pete, Florida Blu-ray collection:69	Wow, what a great site and an even greater thread! This is my first post here, but just wanted to say that I am going to be receiving a pristine HD-SUB10 tomorrow evening from one of my brothers. He's upgraded to twin 12" Polk subs and will be bringing the AA sub over tomorrow. Anyway, I'll be using this sub in my apartment in the HT system. Now I'm not new to subs at all or how to set them up properly. In fact, I used to design and install home audio/theater systems professionally years ago. I've also had my fair share of small and large DIY subs as well as a couple of Sunfire, Earthquake and large SVS subs. I was under the impression that this was the HD-SUB12, but it is in fact the 10. So I might at some point move this one to the rear and upgrade to the 12 later on for up front. And that's the point behind this post... What are peoples views on the HD-SUB10? There's loads and loads of info and reviews on the 12 (mainly in this thread), but not a whole lot about the 10. I've never heard this sub before so I'm just curious how it stacks up against the 12 as far as bass quality and extension is concerned. Keep in mind, this IS going into a second floor apartment, so it's not like I'll be blasting the thing at all, but I can get some vibrations going if you know what I mean. It'll be paired up to my AV123 X-Statik's and matching X-Voce. Here's a quick pic of the current setup. Also notice that I have a dedicated 2-ch music only system on the same rack... Last edited by ChopsRR; 11-17-2011 at 05:51 PM.

11-18-2011, 07:14 AM	#3651
derrickdj1 Member Member since:Oct 2011	Planet Audio woofer BD, that looks great. Did you use the amp that came with the AA sub and did you have to modify it? Is the X-over setting the same. Just asking because I have a RW 15 AA sub. I can't imagine a stronger sub in my HT, but is does not mean I don't like tinkering with things.

11-18-2011, 02:05 PM	#3652
ChopsRR Member Member since:Nov 2011 Location:St Pete, Florida Blu-ray collection:69	Big D, I doubt I'll be doing anything like that with this sub. As I said, I live on the second floor of an apartment. I can't have something super powerful or the neighbors will be annoyed. That's actually why I got rid of the SVS PB12-Plus/2 I had. It was a great sub, but even at low volumes that thing dug so deep it would shake the entire complex. It had usable output down to 14Hz! Plus it was huge and we really didn't have the room for it. Depending on how this little HD-SUB10 performs, I might just get another identical sub to put in the corner of our couch and love seat. My Onkyo TX-SR607 has dual sub outs, so why not use them! Last edited by ChopsRR; 11-18-2011 at 02:07 PM.

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11-07-2011, 12:24 AM	#3643
theJman Senior Member Member since:Sep 2011 Location:New Joisey	I noticed that as well. At one point they had quite a number of subs on ebay, not anymore it seems. Most of them are on their website though, so perhaps they decided to de-emphasis ebay and go with direct (read: full price) sales. Not sure though...

11-18-2011, 02:45 AM	#3647
ChopsRR Member Member since:Nov 2011 Location:St Pete, Florida Blu-ray collection:69	So does anyone care to comment on this? I've been looking and still can't find anything on the 10" sub.

11-18-2011, 02:36 PM	#3653
Blu-Benny Michael Bay's #1 Fan Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Wisconsin Home Theater Gallery:39 Blu-ray collection:552 DVD collection:108 Trading Score:138	I got to play w/my 12” this past weekend a bit and think I may have it set to just the right spot where it’s not overpowering but still gives off a nice low end while watching movies. Can’t wait to throw something in 2nite and test it out.

11-19-2011, 01:30 PM	#3656
ChopsRR Member Member since:Nov 2011 Location:St Pete, Florida Blu-ray collection:69	BTW, my brother brought over the sub last night, we set it up and I ran the Audyssey calibration on my Onkyo TX-SR607 receiver. After all was said and done, the subwoofer level on the back of the sub was set at around the 2 o'clock position and -3 on the receiver. It is roughly 1' from the front wall and about 4' from the side wall. I tweaked all of the crossover points and have the mains and center crossed at 60Hz, the front and rear surrounds at 90Hz and the sub at 80Hz. Also, for best results, I have the phase switch on the sub set to 180*. My brother has already done a couple of simple mods to this sub as far as pulling the driver and putting more poly-fill in, and also removed the stock plastic feet and screwed in big, nice and very sharp spiked feet. The movie for the night was Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part II. I can honestly say, this is the best 50 bucks I have ever spent on a piece of stereo equipment! Being the first time for me to hear this sub (and to watch this movie), I was totally amazed at the sound of this little thing. It's small and weighs nearly nothing, but the quality and amount of bass that effortlessly pours out of this thing is shocking to say the least, and is up there right along with the big name brand subs on the market. I've read several posts that say these subs can be a little boomy with music and/or lack some detail. I found none of this to be true. It's could be a combination of the poly-fill, spiked feet and most importantly, the position of the sub in the room. I could easily hear the subtle details in the music throughout the movie as well as the music in the end credits. I could also slight details during the action scenes in the movie. Then again, I do have my front 3 channels running down to 60Hz, so I'm probably getting a lot of that detail from those which is a good thing obviously. So maybe I'm getting most of my bass details from the main channels, but still, this sub is nowhere near being boomy. It just does what it's supposed to do, fill in the bottom end and add in all of that impact, which it does quite well. It also does a pretty good job of pressurizing the room with bass down around the 20-25Hz region. It kind of reminded me of the little SVS PB10-NSD I had for a while, though that one definitely dug deeper that this HD-SUB10. Even at pretty high volume levels, this sub just thundered away shaking the entire room and floor without any signs of stress, distortion or chuffing. The amplifier never got hot either, just slightly warm. All in all, it's a great little sub for the money for sure and like I said, can compete very well against the big boys out there. I can very easily see another one of these HD-SUB10's finding its way into my system at some point. If I have to gripe about anything it would be about the "auto on/off" feature. The sub seemed to be off more than on, and it would shut off rather quick, probably within 20 seconds or less. I just went and flipped it on permanently, then turned it off when I shut the rest of the system down. With that said, I give this little guy

11-21-2011, 01:48 AM	#3657
ChopsRR Member Member since:Nov 2011 Location:St Pete, Florida Blu-ray collection:69	A few pics of the HD-SUB10 in my system...

11-21-2011, 01:29 PM	#3658
theJman Senior Member Member since:Sep 2011 Location:New Joisey	How close is that to the wall? With the rear-firing port I would have assumed it needed to be a foot or more away in order to properly dissipate, but it seems yours is closer then that. Also, what are those isolators you're using? They look like tiny hockey pucks.

11-22-2011, 12:45 AM	#3660
theJman Senior Member Member since:Sep 2011 Location:New Joisey	Ha, I thought those were hockey pucks! Very inventive... 14" sounds about right. I figured if it was much closer it wasn't going to work all that well. The picture just makes it appear closer I guess.

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