*SPOILER WARNING* Heavy Rain Story Discussion. No tags required.

[WeApOn]

Yeah I agree with Icemage. Terjyn, is that your own hypothesis in attempts to seal up unexplained loose ends, or is there something factual that proves that happens?

Regardless, I'd really love to know about Ethan having the Origami. It's the most important unexplained event.

As far as I've seen, it really is just the developers dying to make us believe it's Ethan.

[Sagacious Koreo]

Ya, the origami thing couldn't have just been in his dreams because his psychology already told the cops that he had dropped an Origami figure. So that blows that theory out of the water.


It's wierd. I tried getting the Happy Birthday trophy in the prologue and it didn't unlock. I made the drawing, set the table, and played with the kids...then I went through the intro credits and the Father and Son chapter and it still didn't unlock.

[foots]

My theory is that Ethan's greatest fear is that he is the origami killer. The case is well publicized. His blackouts and the origami are simply his subconscious fueling those fears using what is known about the case.

I could be wrong, but I don't think it is uncommon for people who sleep walk to do things they've never done or things they didn't think they could do. So he either makes the oragami himself or he acquired it at some point and carries it around with him. He wasn't in a blackout when he went to the psychiatrist and dropped it. Perhaps that is even what triggers the blackouts. The realization he has origami in his pocket.

Either way that doesn't bother me as much as other things in the game. Red herring or not, it was too obvious for me to think that Ethan was the killer.

I still don't understand how the origami killer had killed eight kids and not one of the families thought it was important to tell the cops about the box with the origami clues and a gun in it. Nor did they seem to tell the cops about the letter with the poem. Nor did the cops seem to connect that many of the dads were no longer around. In fact the cops seemed to have nothing beyond what was intentionally left at the scene of the crimes.

[Terjyn]

Of course I'm speculating, because Heavy Rain doesn't have the ultra-lame "confessional" that most Murder Mysteries do.

Originally Posted by Icemage

Aw, c'mon, isn't that reaching a bit? Shelby must have had a day job of some sort (supposedly as a PI), he can't have been futzing around following Ethan 24/7 hoping he'd black out so he could drag his unconscious self around the city without anyone noticing so he can set up him later.

Why would he have to follow Ethan around 24/7?

The first meeting was coincidence, and after talking to Ethan decides he's a good test subject.

The second one, where he kidnaps the kid, is because of the first one.

It's not like we are talking about a dozen blackouts in a week where Scott would have to be with Ethan constantly.

We are talking about a very methodical serial killer, who looks like he is picking his targets with a purpose, so would want to know who they are before taking the kid.

Or do you truly think it pure coincidence that Ethan wakes up the first time, with Origami in hand, at the location where Scott admits he sends the Origami Killer letters from?

And then Scott just randomly, knowing absolutely nothing about Ethan, takes his kid?

You guys make it sound like I presented an absurdity, when in reality it fits every single fact Heavy Rain gives you.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by WeApOn

Yeah I agree with Icemage. Terjyn, is that your own hypothesis in attempts to seal up unexplained loose ends, or is there something factual that proves that happens?

Regardless, I'd really love to know about Ethan having the Origami. It's the most important unexplained event.

As far as I've seen, it really is just the developers dying to make us believe it's Ethan.

The game goes out of its way to tell you that Ethan wakes up from both Blackouts in a place Scott has been many many times.

If the scene where Scott tells you he's been there a lot (indirectly) didn't occur, I'd buy that it was just the writers screwing with your head. But that scene was there. Was that scene just filler or did it have a purpose? If it had a purpose, what other purpose did it have than this?

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

The game goes out of its way to tell you that Ethan wakes up from both Blackouts in a place Scott has been many many times.

If the scene where Scott tells you he's been there a lot (indirectly) didn't occur, I'd buy that it was just the writers screwing with your head. But that scene was there. Was that scene just filler or did it have a purpose? If it had a purpose, what other purpose did it have than this?

But...but...I need to story to hold my hand every step of the way!

[owa]

Why does no one think my idea is valid?

One of the clues mentions there is one Origami store in the radius (shown when using the ARI) where the killer is supposed to be from. He mentions not knowing how to make them but if he thinks he's the killer, maybe he buys them from the Origami store during his blackouts. But, since he's not really the killer, he's not leaving them with any kids so he's left with them in his hand when he snaps out of it. I'll admit, I've never been to an Origami store so maybe all they sell are paper and instructions but I figured they'd sell figures as well for those that just want the end product.

[mikejet]

Is there any way to get Lauren to end up with Scott? I mean in the perfect crime ending he gets away with it right? So if Lauren and Scott live, and you destroy all the evidence, and Madison dies, Jayden dies, and Ethan gets arrested and Shaun dies, what would prove to Lauren that Scott is the killer? She goes away to her mothers house right?

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by Icemage

Aw, c'mon, isn't that reaching a bit? Shelby must have had a day job of some sort (supposedly as a PI), he can't have been futzing around following Ethan 24/7 hoping he'd black out so he could drag his unconscious self around the city without anyone noticing so he can set up him later.

I think you just proved yourself wrong. Being a private detective means complete freedom to charge as you see fit (which explains how he was able to fund everything) and have pretty much all the spare time that you allow yourself (which would explain him setting up Ethan).

As far as you saying it's reaching, the fact of the matter is, Shelby was living an entire life where he was 'reaching'. The guy was constantly trying to set other people up to be the killer. I'm really surprised I didn't notice the fact that nobody actually hired him to investigate the Origami killer. At least I don't recall him mentioning that he was hired by anybody.

Is there an ending where Shelby doesn't die?

[Marine Mike]

Also, who says that Ethan was dragged anywhere? Shelby was following him as he remembered him from the accident so he knew that he loved his son. Therefore, he probably investigated further knowing that he had blackouts now and probably found Ethan wandering in the street speaking incoherently or something like that.

I like it that the writers did this, as they leave it to YOU to reason out some of the details and not hold your hand.

[Bear28]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Also, who says that Ethan was dragged anywhere? Shelby was following him as he remembered him from the accident so he knew that he loved his son. Therefore, he probably investigated further knowing that he had blackouts now and probably found Ethan wandering in the street speaking incoherently or something like that.

I like it that the writers did this, as they leave it to YOU to reason out some of the details and not hold your hand.

Agreed. It doesn't need to be spelled out in crayon about every single thing he did. After finding out he was in a coma for 6months, that should help to explain alot of the weird crap he does. He has/had a severe brain injury and is pretty messed up.

I think if you've played the game and have some questions about what happened, play it again and make different choices, chances are that you will get more information about things you didn't get in the first go around.

Thanks

[Bear28]

[Sagacious Koreo]

Originally Posted by Bear28

That's hilarious.

[AikonEnt]

Question. How do you unlock the 'Clever Dad' trophy? With the poison on the table I just walked out of the room, which then went to the scene in the car. I looked at his notes, listened to the recording and got him to work out which location it was, selected it then drove off. Just goes to the next screen with no trophy popping up. Do I have to continue playing through until he actually gets to Shaun for it to unlock or am I missing something

Also for the 'All Endings' trophy, is it just a case of unlocking all the various epilogues from different scenarios?

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

Question. How do you unlock the 'Clever Dad' trophy? With the poison on the table I just walked out of the room, which then went to the scene in the car. I looked at his notes, listened to the recording and got him to work out which location it was, selected it then drove off. Just goes to the next screen with no trophy popping up. Do I have to continue playing through until he actually gets to Shaun for it to unlock or am I missing something

Also for the 'All Endings' trophy, is it just a case of unlocking all the various epilogues from different scenarios?

Which trial did you skip? My wife's brother got Clever Dad on his playthrough when he didn't kill the guy but figured out the address. What was weird is that after that if Madison calls him Ethan won't answer his phone.

[Bear28]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

Question. How do you unlock the 'Clever Dad' trophy? With the poison on the table I just walked out of the room, which then went to the scene in the car. I looked at his notes, listened to the recording and got him to work out which location it was, selected it then drove off. Just goes to the next screen with no trophy popping up. Do I have to continue playing through until he actually gets to Shaun for it to unlock or am I missing something

Also for the 'All Endings' trophy, is it just a case of unlocking all the various epilogues from different scenarios?

I'm not sure exactly how you get the Clever Dad one, but the only thing I did differently was actually drink the poison. It sounds like you selected the right location on the first try right? So maybe you have to drink the poison too??

Thanks

[AikonEnt]

I just went back and replayed the final test 'The Rat'. My original run through I passed all the tests, but I'd read for this trophy you have to work out the location of Shaun instead of being given it for drinking the poison. I don't think you get a chance to use the sat-nav unless you don't drink the poison, because my first run through I drank the poison and didn't get the scene in the car. I thought it would just pop up when the next scene is loading like the rest but maybe it doesn't. It is 852 Theodore Roosevelt Road isn't it, the one next to the water?

[Bear28]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

I just went back and replayed the final test 'The Rat'. My original run through I passed all the tests, but I'd read for this trophy you have to work out the location of Shaun instead of being given it for drinking the poison. I don't think you get a chance to use the sat-nav unless you don't drink the poison, because my first run through I drank the poison and didn't get the scene in the car. I thought it would just pop up when the next scene is loading like the rest but maybe it doesn't. It is 852 Theodore Roosevelt Road isn't it, the one next to the water?

Thats odd, I wasn't given the full location and I drank the poison. Then in the car I had 3 or 4 locations to pick from. And yes its the ROAD option.

Thanks

[mikejet]

The time I watched had all trials except the kill someone completed and then Ethan has only two places to chose from. Selecting the correct one gave a bronze for "Clever Dad"

[WeApOn]

Originally Posted by foots

I still don't understand how the origami killer had killed eight kids and not one of the families thought it was important to tell the cops about the box with the origami clues and a gun in it. Nor did they seem to tell the cops about the letter with the poem. Nor did the cops seem to connect that many of the dads were no longer around. In fact the cops seemed to have nothing beyond what was intentionally left at the scene of the crimes.

That's another key thing that seems to be out of place. How could the previous 8 families decide not to submit ANY of the evidence to the police? The only reason Ethan didn't was because the cops thought it was him, so he had to stay in hiding. Obviously all the other ones weren't like that.