Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Well, I finally saw the first one. It was rather mediocre, IMO.

On the plus side, both Bryce Dallas Howard and Christ Pratt were excellent. They had great chemistry. Also, there was a good deal of humor that was effective.

On the negative side, however, it was fairly boring and rather poorly paced I thought. And there was just too much that was ridiculously silly. I mean, dinosaurs "talking" to each other, the whole humans communicating with dinosaurs, etc. That stuff was just ridiculous.

So, I'd probably give it about a C+, when all is said and done.

I feel exactly the same about JW. I don't enjoy repeatedly crapping on stuff that people love in order to hammer home my opinions (I'd rather bite my tongue than be that guy; I only commented on JW once after watching it at Christmas and haven't mentioned it since then), but JW did nothing for me. It's not awful like TG, but for the budget, the quality cast, and the critical and box-office success it garnered I was expecting a top-tier, nearly flawless film. Unfortunately, it was anything but.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

And there was just too much that was ridiculously silly. I mean, dinosaurs "talking" to each other, the whole humans communicating with dinosaurs, etc. That stuff was just ridiculous.

I don't see what's so daft about that. Animals do communicate with each other, we just can't understand what they're saying. As for humans communicating with dinosaurs, it was only through commands with Chris Pratt's Owen similar to those you'd give a dog and 'mutual respect', which is no different to real life relationships with animals. It's hardly like any human characters have a conversation with them on-screen, it's only Chris Pratt's character who can control the raptors..and even then, he can't when the Indominus Rex communicates with them.

Originally Posted by Will.

There is no such thing as "factually correct" when judging the effectiveness of special effects in a movie. The question is not how "good" they look by themselves, but how succesful they are as compliments to the movie they are in. For the record, I believe JP beats JW on both counts.

Actually, there is from a technological point of view and if you think technology hasn't progressed since Jurassic Park, you're wrong. Saying special effects from 13 years ago are better than modern-day effects is like saying a computer from 1993 is better than computers now.

I actually think the commentary in JW is pretty basic compared to the discussions of scientific ethics and "playing God" that go on in the original.

Just because it's subtle and not shouted at you doesn't make it 'basic'. I thought the use of product placement and references to the Indominus Rex as a 'new attraction' and an 'escaped asset out of containment' were a clever way of communicating the message of commercialism without ramming it down people's throats. As much as I like the first Jurassic Park, it verged close to preachy a few times with its anti-messing with nature message.

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I'm a straight male so Jeff Goldblum showing off his body means nothing to me.

[Will.]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

I'm a straight male so Jeff Goldblum showing off his body means nothing to me.

Good to know

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Come on I'm straight and the essence of the Goldblum is undeniable.

[Will.]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Come on I'm straight and the essence of the Goldblum is undeniable.

I'm gay and I blame Jeff Goldblum.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

I don't see what's so daft about that. Animals do communicate with each other, we just can't understand what they're saying. As for humans communicating with dinosaurs, it was only through commands with Chris Pratt's Owen similar to those you'd give a dog and 'mutual respect', which is no different to real life relationships with animals. It's hardly like any human characters have a conversation with them on-screen, it's only Chris Pratt's character who can control the raptors..and even then, he can't when the Indominus Rex communicates with them.

Animals can communicate on a very basic level. But it's not like they can have a conversation and somehow tell each other what to do. And that's exactly what happened in that scene.

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Come on I'm straight and the essence of the Goldblum is undeniable.

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[Impossible]

Originally Posted by Will.

I'm gay and I blame Jeff Goldblum.

The body might be fine, but unfortunately that head is stuck on top of it...

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

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[sandman slim]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Animals can communicate on a very basic level. But it's not like they can have a conversation and somehow tell each other what to do. And that's exactly what happened in that scene.

You should google "pack animals" and read for a bit. Also, if we know that animals can communicate with each other, but we can't understand what they are saying, how does that make us the smarter ones?

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by sandman slim

You should google "pack animals" and read for a bit. Also, if we know that animals can communicate with each other, but we can't understand what they are saying, how does that make us the smarter ones?

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

I'm a straight male so Jeff Goldblum showing off his body means nothing to me.

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

[moviecriticsonline]

Jurassic Outpost....coming in 2018.

[scottish_punk]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

It's not awful like TG, but for the budget, the quality cast, and the critical and box-office success it garnered I was expecting a top-tier, nearly flawless film. Unfortunately, it was anything but.

Top-tier, nearly-flawless? Those are some pretty lofty expectations for the third sequel to what is essentially a monster movie franchise with a scientific kick.

The original JP is my all-time favorite film. There's simply no way in hell that I can imagine my life without that first film having such an impact & such a major presence in it. That being said, never once did I walk into JW with the idea that it had to be AS GOOD as the first film...because in my mind, literally nothing can beat the first JP film. And I honestly believe that this is the unfortunate mentality that a lot of people who hated or disliked JW possessed prior to walking into the theater. This is a franchise that has laid dormant since 2001, with a third & thought-to-be-last entry that failed on nearly every conceivable level (and for the record, I really kinda LOVED the second film...just not on the same level as the first). An entirely new generation raised on superhero films, smartphones & social media needed to be introduced very carefully to this series, and I really do not blame the filmmakers for crafting the film in such a way to cater to that demographic. All I wanted was a world's better movie than JPIII, since that one successfully shit the bed of the entire franchise. And you know what, I got exactly what I expected, and more. Yet certain people continuously want the first JP over and over again. It's as if due to the intense nostalgia, they possess an inability to let go of that first film. The whole thing totally baffles me as a moviegoer, to be honest.

Granted, JW definitely has flaws. I'll never deny that. The Hoskins character is ridiculous, the dialogue is perfunctory & virtually unimaginative, and maybe it would be smart of both Pratt and BDH to work on their chemistry just a bit for the sequel. But all in all, it is a fun, energetic, well-crafted monster picture. If anyone walks into the third sequel of a franchise such as this expecting something loftier, deeper or "top-tier, nearly flawless", then you're only setting yourself up for massive disappointment. And the very last thing I want for the movie-going world of today is for anyone to cheat themselves out of a potential good time.

[tiger_qc]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

There is no way you can say the effects in Jurassic Park were better than the ones in Jurassic World. That's not even factually correct; technology has changed considerably since Jurassic Park came out so the effects are automatically better.Yes, Jurassic Park's effects were great but it's a bit rose-tinted to say they're better than those in a modern 2015 movie.

JP achieve a new milestone in terms of FX for a movie made in 1993, JW DIDN'T.

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

As for the story, I actually prefer Jurassic World's. I love the idea of the park being fully operational and that people in the Jurassic Park universe have got so bored of the traditional dinosaur that they are having to create a whole new one to entice people back. That's something that would happen in real life; it's a smart commentary on commercialism and how far businesses will go to get the money they crave.

With only one Jurassic Park on the planet after 20 years people wouldn't get bored by "normal Dinosaurs", I'm 37 and I still enjoy going to the zoo.

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Jurassic Park, whilst having a great story is more 'basic' in that it was more about introducing audiences to the world of Jurassic Park for the first time given that there hadn't been any other films before it.

Yeah and it was smart to come up with something take makes it look like it could be possible.

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

And yeah, the cast in Jurassic Park is great but Jurassic World has Chris Pratt! Not even Jeff Goldblum (as much as I think he's a great actor) can compete with him.

JW have Chris Pratt (that's it, don't get me started on Bryce Dallas Howard)
JP have Sam Neil, Laura Dern, Jeff Goldblum, Richard Attenborough and Samuel L Jackson.

Originally Posted by spectre08

Chris Pratt was the only thing I found genuinely enjoyable about the movie. He was the only character in the entire film that I didn't want to see get eaten.

Chris Pratt and the younger brother. Pratt is JW without him the movie would suck.

Originally Posted by erixon20

Yes, I am another one of the few who genuinely like The Island.

I thought many of us liked it.

[Chaotic]

I loved the first one in theaters but it doesn't hold up on blu-ray at all. Hopefully this one is better.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by sandman slim

You should google "pack animals" and read for a bit. Also, if we know that animals can communicate with each other, but we can't understand what they are saying, how does that make us the smarter ones?

I know something about pack animals. But that's not what was happening in that scene. The IR was HAVING A CONVERSATION with the Raptors. It was ludicrous.

Don't get me wrong: It's not like I hated the movie or anything. Like I said, I found it fairly mediocre. I loved Pratt and BDH. But the long periods of fairly boring stuff and the silliness just detracted from it. And as much as I really like D'Onofrio, his hamming it up and the character in general also didn't help.

Like I said, mediocre.

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

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I want this framed on my wall

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by scottish_punk

Top-tier, nearly-flawless? Those are some pretty lofty expectations for the third sequel to what is essentially a monster movie franchise with a scientific kick.

In response to your entire post, I can only speak for myself and say I wasn't making comparisons between JW and JP1, or hoping JW surpass any previous instalments. I watched JW after the hype had died down: the billion dollar box office, the broad sense of outpouring of enthusiasm from fans, etc, was in the relatively recent past, so I was justified in expecting something above average within the context of disposable summer blockbuster fare.

BTW, it being a "third sequel" is neither here nor there, especially because it isn't a third sequel in the manner of something schlocky like the AvP films, or the Resident Evil series, or even something like the Underworld films. There's a stark difference between JW and the aforementioned types of sequels, chief of them being the quality of the talent behind and in-front of the camera. So, that attempt at talking down JW by claiming it's a third sequel in order to deflect or shield it from criticism is unfair. The film was touted as a sleek, fresh JP for modern times. The link to the previous films is clearly undeniable, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not a direct continuation of those JP previous films in the way that films that develop into an ongoing series are, usually with steadily diminishing returns critically and otherwise.

So, within that context, expecting a film to be at the top of its game considering its reception and briefly-held reputation, I was more than justified in assuming the film would be head and shoulders above the competition. "Top-tier" in terms of Citizen Kane (or whatever the benchmark is of quality films), no, of course not, but definitely top-tier in respect to the various film releases of 2015. How wrong I was.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Animals can communicate on a very basic level. But it's not like they can have a conversation and somehow tell each other what to do.

I'm pretty sure dogs are communicating when they bark at each other.

Originally Posted by tiger_qc

JP achieve a new milestone in terms of FX for a movie made in 1993, JW DIDN'T.

That doesn't make the SFX in Jurassic Park better. The SFX in Jurassic World are a significant improvement over those in JP (as is expected in such a large gap).



[QUOTW]With only one Jurassic Park on the planet after 20 years people wouldn't get bored by "normal Dinosaurs", I'm 37 and I still enjoy going to the zoo.[/QUOTE]
Except the whole point of Jurassic World is that it's classified as a theme park, not a zoo. We all know what happens when people get bored of the same roller coaster - rides like the Smiler at Alton Tower happen.

Yeah and it was smart to come up with something take makes it look like it could be possible.

I'm not saying it wasn't, just that in my opinion Jurassic World was smarter.

JW have Chris Pratt (that's it, don't get me started on Bryce Dallas Howard)
JP have Sam Neil, Laura Dern, Jeff Goldblum, Richard Attenborough and Samuel L Jackson.

As great as the Jurassic Park cast is, IMO Chris Pratt is better than all of them combined.