Nvidia Fermi, thread of being delayed over, and over - Reviews out!!!

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by xtop

i just put a 5770 in my latest rig. so glad i can get this kind of power now instead of waiting for nvidia's forever delayed card. plus dx11..not that its really used at this point, but whatever

Thats what I have right now I'm slowly moving back into gaming, and when I had my comp ordered I saw nothing where I said I need 5970's right now to play games (I have reinstalled old games battlefield 2, counter strike, doom 3 lol) all those run like charms with the 5770 so no need now until say the next big crysis type game comes out where I'll say now I need to upgrade.

[Seeking_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

The GTX470/480 looks to be about 10% faster then ATI's comparable cards for 30% more $$$. Doesn't look like there will be an ATI price drop any time soon... unfortunately.






ATI happy with current pricing on Radeon cards despite GTX 470/480 launch

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/14622/...nch/index.html

The 5870 I am watching at Newegg already dropped 30 dollars in the last 9 days. ATI might not drop its wholesale prices, but the price premiums the retailers are charging might collapse.

Originally Posted by supersix4

Thats what I have right now I'm slowly moving back into gaming, and when I had my comp ordered I saw nothing where I said I need 5970's right now to play games (I have reinstalled old games battlefield 2, counter strike, doom 3 lol) all those run like charms with the 5770 so no need now until say the next big crysis type game comes out where I'll say now I need to upgrade.

Metro 2033?

HardOCP asked if this is the next crysis Link

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by Seeking_Alpha

The 5870 I am watching at Newegg already dropped 30 dollars in the last 9 days. ATI might not drop its wholesale prices, but the price premiums the retailers are charging might collapse.

Street prices on the cards very depending on availability and demand. ATI's MSRP's on the 5000 series have not changed and according to the article I linked there not going too any time soon. However demand has been high for the 5000 series and the supply of the 40mn chips has been tight so retailers have sold the cards over MSRP because they can.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

Street prices on the cards very depending on availability and demand. ATI's MSRP's on the 5000 series have not changed and according to the article I linked there not going too any time soon. However demand has been high for the 5000 series and the supply of the 40mn chips has been tight so retailers have sold the cards over MSRP because they can.

Another reason I'm sitting on my hands for the 5970... no card is worth 600 anymore especially with the market evaporating.

[Oddiophile]

Nvidia Fermi GTX470 & GTX480 reviews



Reviews (sources):

Firing Squad: http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...ce/default.asp

Benchmark Reviews: http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=480&Itemid=72

Legion Hardware: http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...arrives,1.html

Tom's Hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-480,2585.html

TechPowerUp: http://techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDI...GTX_480_Fermi/

Bit-tech: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/201...1-5gb-review/1

Hardware Canucks: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...80-review.html

Hardware Heaven: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...d=950&pageid=1

Maximum PC: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/fea...d_power_hungry

PCPer: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=888&type=expert

HardOCP: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/...480_sli_review

Guru3D: http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...70-480-review/

Anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Another reason I'm sitting on my hands for the 5970... no card is worth 600 anymore especially with the market evaporating.

Tell that to the guys running dual crossfired 5970's and quad 5870's.

[Seeking_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

Street prices on the cards very depending on availability and demand. ATI's MSRP's on the 5000 series have not changed and according to the article I linked there not going too any time soon. However demand has been high for the 5000 series and the supply of the 40mn chips has been tight so retailers have sold the cards over MSRP because they can.

I knew that. I work for a bank in New York; we take advantage of "what the market can handle" all the time

It doesn't matter if the MSRP doesn't change. The relevant prices to us consumers are the market prices (or "street" price) are, so I consider $479 to $449 a price drop. And I am happy.

[tootall82103]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

.....for now, till the DX11 games start rolling out, beginning with Activision's post-apocalyptic FPS Metro 2033 in mid-March (screenshot below).

I'm not too worried about Metro 2033. I think Crysis is the only DX-10 title I have. DX11 is on my bottom shelf of important things. COD4 is DX9 and looks perfect to me. If graphics never got any better than COD4, I wouldn't complain.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

Tell that to the guys running dual crossfired 5970's and quad 5870's.

Yeah I mean I get why, like when I was into gaming on pc's, games were pouring out that needed bigger and better cards, now its kind of wait and see (pickings are slim and the differences between a $300 card and $500+ cards are way less noticeable) then before. Yet prices have either increased or stayed the same so I can't justify it especially since we maybe get 1 quality pc game every 6+ months, since Crysis (06) I can't name you a big name title that was pc only, and a must have no bones about it.

Last one for me was BF2 I bought the game before my 6800 ultra came, and waited a week and played it on crap settings on my agp bfg 6800gt.

That to me says allot about where pc gaming has gone since 04-05 (its sad in my op)

Side NOTE question: Does anyone know if there is a program that will tell you who specifically makes you're video card? I'm having a h*** of a time trying to find out who makes my card diamond, sapphire ... it doesn't have the pictures on the front like the current ones do so I was wondering if maybe someone knows of a program that can point it out?

[Seeking_Alpha]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Yeah I mean I get why, like when I was into gaming on pc's, games were pouring out that needed bigger and better cards, now its kind of wait and see (pickings are slim and the differences between a $300 card and $500+ cards are way less noticeable) then before. Yet prices have either increased or stayed the same so I can't justify it especially since we maybe get 1 quality pc game every 6+ months, since Crysis (06) I can't name you a big name title that was pc only, and a must have no bones about it.

Last one for me was BF2 I bought the game before my 6800 ultra came, and waited a week and played it on crap settings on my agp bfg 6800gt.

That to me says allot about where pc gaming has gone since 04-05 (its sad in my op)

Side NOTE question: Does anyone know if there is a program that will tell you who specifically makes you're video card? I'm having a h*** of a time trying to find out who makes my card diamond, sapphire ... it doesn't have the pictures on the front like the current ones do so I was wondering if maybe someone knows of a program that can point it out?

You can do this on PC's (it's ridiculous)

Crysis Xtreme Particle Chaos Physics Mod V 6.0

Great for a number crucher like the 480. Imagine the amount of math being done....

As for your side note question, can't you just open your case and look? If it is something from dell or HP without stickers then you're out of luck. I don't think there is a program for that because cards are reference designed from Nvidia or ATI.

Why do you need that info anyway?

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Seeking_Alpha

As for your side note question, can't you just open your case and look? If it is something from dell or HP without stickers then you're out of luck. I don't think there is a program for that because cards are reference designed from Nvidia or ATI.

Why do you need that info anyway?

Yeah its alienware (I know I paid a premium) and I just wanted to spend like 170-190 to crossfire the 5770 for now, but if I can't find the brand diamond, sapphire exc. then I don't think crossfire will work and I'd have wasted X number of dollars...

The more I look at cards and specs the more I'm getting the urge to get dual 5970's , but I keep reminding myself of all the money and allowances I blew through getting the 6800gt and then the 6800 ultra, then the 7800 gtx sli exc. and I'm trying not to get caught up in it

Again my luck as its been I've always been late to the party other then the 6800gt oc, everything else was within 3-5 months of something new coming out , and I know if I ordered a 5970 tomorrow then in 3 months they'll announce some new card like the 6080

[Seeking_Alpha]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Yeah its alienware (I know I paid a premium) and I just wanted to spend like 170-190 to crossfire the 5770 for now, but if I can't find the brand diamond, sapphire exc. then I don't think crossfire will work and I'd have wasted X number of dollars...

The more I look at cards and specs the more I'm getting the urge to get dual 5970's , but I keep reminding myself of all the money and allowances I blew through getting the 6800gt and then the 6800 ultra, then the 7800 gtx sli exc. and I'm trying not to get caught up in it

Again my luck as its been I've always been late to the party other then the 6800gt oc, everything else was within 3-5 months of something new coming out , and I know if I ordered a 5970 tomorrow then in 3 months they'll announce some new card like the 6080

You can crossfire a 5770 with any 5770, brand, even clock speeds don't matter.

In your previous point you said the PC graphics aren't moving fast. So why are you concerned that a 5970 will be obsolete in a few months?

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Seeking_Alpha

In your previous point you said the PC graphics aren't moving fast. So why are you concerned that a 5970 will be obsolete in a few months?

Not really that it won't be able to do the job for awhile, even my 5770 seems like it can do an adequate job for awhile. I just don't want to get something old (especially for $600-700, that will be a previous model in a few months)

*But I did read on the OCforum that they are looking to launch a new series of cards in q4 2010/2011 (might be just speculation), but I'm glad I did a little looking into on that.


And thanks for the info on the 5770!

[Offender_Mullet]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Side NOTE question: Does anyone know if there is a program that will tell you who specifically makes you're video card? I'm having a h*** of a time trying to find out who makes my card diamond, sapphire ... it doesn't have the pictures on the front like the current ones do so I was wondering if maybe someone knows of a program that can point it out?

This very popular program http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...-Z_v0.4.2.html will tell you everything you need to know about your video card, right down to the sweatshop worker's name who assembled it.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

This very popular program http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...-Z_v0.4.2.html will tell you everything you need to know about your video card, right down to the sweatshop worker's name who assembled it.

Awesome find bro!

I had bought another 5770 just to get me through till the next series launches in 2011, but when I got home and installed it I had wicked WICKEd flickering in the sky trying to play crysis (seems like a common problem), but maybe matching exactly will help.

[Offender_Mullet]

You're welcome!

I'm just getting into ATI after being an Nvidia guy for a long time. The last time I owned an ATI card was the 9200 series, so needless to say I don't know anything about their new stuff. I also tossed Intel out the door and I'm going AMD for the first time ever. I have a pretty large thread over on Tom's Hardware forum about it. Found here: my thread.

These guys made me feel like a total newb lol and I'm glad they did because I originally made the wrong choice of 5000 series cards, by basically ignoring their advice, then eventually returning the cards to NewEgg. lol

Still debating on whether or not to get two HD5850's or one HD5970 though. This is driving me nuts. They're both within $100 of each other, but getting the latter card would mean I'd have to blow more $$$ on a new case, because that damn card is 12" (or more) long.

[Icecoldblue]

Are you taking the PCI-E connectors into factor when measuring for length? I know the 5850's have it on the end of the board making it another inch or two longer, whereas the 5970 has them on the side.

5970:




5850/5870:

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

These guys made me feel like a total newb lol and I'm glad they did because I originally made the wrong choice of 5000 series cards, by basically ignoring their advice, then eventually returning the cards to NewEgg. lol

Still debating on whether or not to get two HD5850's or one HD5970 though. This is driving me nuts. They're both within $100 of each other, but getting the latter card would mean I'd have to blow more $$$ on a new case, because that damn card is 12" (or more) long.

Yeah I've been NVIDIA guy but they've been dropping the ball big time(have you seeing the 400 series what a joke!), I got 5770's, but my advice get something that can hold you over till next year when the new cards from ATI get announced(thats what I'm doing) and if they aren't way better then you can still pick up the 5850's/5970's cheaper then now(especially with the 5970 at a premium because its so hard to find).

Also be-careful some cards have bugs like when I got my second 5770 in crysis the sky would flicker like crazy and as soon as I took the card out it worked.

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

You're welcome!

Still debating on whether or not to get two HD5850's or one HD5970 though. This is driving me nuts. They're both within $100 of each other, but getting the latter card would mean I'd have to blow more $$$ on a new case, because that damn card is 12" (or more) long.

The HD5970 has the same performance as two HD5850's in crossfire.

The 5970 is two 5870's in one card but the PCI-E slot has a limit of 300 watts and ATI had to under clock the 5970 to keep it under the 300 watt spec. The two 5870 chips running at full speed would had pushed the card over the 300W ATX limit per slot. Thus the slightly degraded performance, you can overclock the 5970 yourself and get 5870 crossfire performance if your comfortable with overclocking.

There are new Special edition HD5970's coming like ASUS's MARS that are overclocked 5970s and benchmark the same as two 5870's in crossfire but they go over the 300 watt max at about 370 watts of consumption and will retail for around $999.99

My opinion, get the two 5850's, excellent bang for the buck in the high end segment.

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Also be-careful some cards have bugs like when I got my second 5770 in crysis the sky would flicker like crazy and as soon as I took the card out it worked.

What driver version were using?

If it was an old driver that could have been your problem. I have not seen any comments form anyone having Crysis problems on the 5770. The Catalyst 10.3b driver found on AMD's underground site is currently the best performing driver out for the 5K series.


http://sites.amd.com/US/UNDERGROUND/...3-preview.aspx