Fox sticks with DTS-HD

[tron3]

In due time people, in due time. I don't have room for a 5.1 surround sound, so I have to live with the stereo+ sound from my Sony HD tv. I think the front panel has multiple speakers. In short, I am happy with what ever sound I get.

Remember, they invest huge sums of money into equipment to convert the thousands of titles they have. They can't keep swapping out every few months.

Remember, they are going to go with the cheapest technology that gets the job done and let marketing do the rest. The good stuff only comes as prices come down and demand goes up. They know most people will balk at 40 and 50 dollar titles which may not have any audible difference to most people. Bean counters control the world.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Look for DTS-MA on the PS3 before the end of Q1/08

Has this been confirmed?

[WickyWoo]

It's too bad that Sony never had any intention of bringing SDDS into the home market. I really-really like its sound in the theater.

Why bother when PCM, TrueHD and DTS HDMA are better?

Ohly crap and back are the 39.99$ for catalog titles too... i guess all those transfert will be MPEG2 eithers

Highly unlikely on the MPEG-2, and Fox has produced reference MPEG-2 compressions anyway.

I'll be shocked if they keep the prices that high as well. $34.95 for special catalog titles, $29.99 for rehashes

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by schultz

Has this been confirmed?

No, but it makes a lot of sense.

Sony's strategy with the PS3 features is clear; they add functionality only as the standalones implement it. Right now there are no standalone Blu-ray players that have DTS-MA. Therefore Sony will not yank the rug out from under their BDA friends by implementing DTS-MA on the PS3 until such time as a unit hits the market which can decode it (i.e. at least until after the Denon units arrive).

Look at 1080p/24fps for proof; the PS3 gained that capability shortly after the first players showed up that could handle 24fps.

[TorpedoShockwave]

I prefer DTS HD Master Audio over Dolby Digital TrueHD

[TyrantSilkey]

As much as I hope you're right about the DTS HDMA on PS3 I kind of doubt it. If Sony starts using the core to decode it and send it out as linear pcm their going to have to pay royalties for every PS3 ever made and ever to be made. Considering they've completely stripped the EE out of every new ps3 being produced just to slash a few dollars off of the price since their already loosing money on every console sold, I find it hard to believe the stock holders would pony up what would likely be hundreds of millions in royalty fees to add DTS HDMA software decoding to every PS3.

I normally wouldn't care since I have a receiver capable of decoding all next gen audio formats. But unfortuantely, bitstream doesn't currently work for the new lossless audio formats on the PS3.

[WickyWoo]

Much easier:

Just have it be an optional paid download in the Sony store

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Much easier:

Just have it be an optional paid download in the Sony store

I'd totally pay for decoding! I think that's actually a good idea personally. It'd be like paying to download a program.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I'd totally pay for decoding! I think that's actually a good idea personally. It'd be like paying to download a program.

I would happily pay for that. Is it even possible though?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by TyrantSilkey

As much as I hope you're right about the DTS HDMA on PS3 I kind of doubt it. If Sony starts using the core to decode it and send it out as linear pcm their going to have to pay royalties for every PS3 ever made and ever to be made. Considering they've completely stripped the EE out of every new ps3 being produced just to slash a few dollars off of the price since their already loosing money on every console sold, I find it hard to believe the stock holders would pony up what would likely be hundreds of millions in royalty fees to add DTS HDMA software decoding to every PS3.

I normally wouldn't care since I have a receiver capable of decoding all next gen audio formats. But unfortuantely, bitstream doesn't currently work for the new lossless audio formats on the PS3.

Hundreds of millions? That is an extreme exaggeration man.

Sony already have a good relationship with DTS and it is a profitable one for DTS. Look how many movies from Sony/Columbia have DTS on them in addition to SDDS and Dolby.

We only know the costs of manufacturing the PS3 from last October, not what the costs are now. Considering the blue diode has gone from $125 alone and the costs of the drives, etc., I would not be surprised if the current manufacturing costs had Sony actually making money on the PS3.

DTS-MA decoding on the PS3 coming soon is what DTS told me.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

DTS-MA decoding on the PS3 coming soon is what DTS told me.

I hope you are right. Can this be done through a firmware update?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by schultz

I hope you are right. Can this be done through a firmware update?

I would imagine that is the only way it will be done.

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by TyrantSilkey

As much as I hope you're right about the DTS HDMA on PS3 I kind of doubt it. If Sony starts using the core to decode it and send it out as linear pcm their going to have to pay royalties for every PS3 ever made and ever to be made. Considering they've completely stripped the EE out of every new ps3 being produced just to slash a few dollars off of the price since their already loosing money on every console sold, I find it hard to believe the stock holders would pony up what would likely be hundreds of millions in royalty fees to add DTS HDMA software decoding to every PS3.

I normally wouldn't care since I have a receiver capable of decoding all next gen audio formats. But unfortuantely, bitstream doesn't currently work for the new lossless audio formats on the PS3.

If the PS3 can decode basic legacy Dts, then there is no additional liscensing fee for DTS MA. They have already stated this. There is a royalty for Dts on Disc, but that costs goes to the studio, and is minimal.

[Jim L]

With my Fox titles, what will give me the best sound quality with current playback capabilities?

Here's my equipment

Receiver: Denon 3805 with optical and 7.1 analog inputs
PS3: connected via optical
Sony BDP-S1: connected via optical and analog

Also, what setting should I set everything to?

[dobyblue]

With your current set-up I would definitely use the optical connection and listen to the 1.5 Mbps DTS letting the Denon do the decoding.

Optical should be set to bitstream.

[Jim L]

Thanks!

I'm going to try that right now.

[KingDeezie]

I did mean lossy, that was a typo, sorry...

I think choosing to use DTS-HD is just not a very smart move by Fox to be honest...

In their latest press release, Fox said that they wanted to show people why Bluray is clearly the best choice for next generation HD media. If that were really the case, then in my opinion, they should have given us a stellar PCM track and a True DolbyHD track.

That way, everyone with the capability could enjoy the PCM track or the True DolbyHD track, and those still just using Blurays to enjoy the upgrade in picture only could now enjoy also the DD core track.

There are only a few players and only a few recievers that can properly decode DTS-HD, and even then, its not even that great of a next generation audio codec....

DTS:MA, which people seem to get confused with DTS-HD, is an entire whole nother animal in and of itself, and is not what Fox seems to be getting ready to use for these upcoming releases...


Lie to me and yourself, and tell me you wouldn't want PCM on the Die Hard movies...go ahead, try it.

[Icemage]

I remember reading someplace in an Insider thread either here or at AVS where one of the insiders commented about the licensing costs for the new lossless codecs (DTS-MA and TrueHD) being the same as the lossy versions. I can't find the reference right now, but the gist of the conversation was that this part of the discussion was ironed out during the format specification meetings.

This is presumably why manufacturers have been able to add DTS-HD HR to players; and I take that as a good sign that DTS-MA is also possible for similar reasons without additional cost to the manufacturers.

Besides, I sincerely doubt DTS is going to quibble over a few hundred thousand players when TrueHD is kicking their butt in market presence. They should be falling all over themselves to keep the studios like Fox from dropping their codec entirely; with zero hardware support, that possibility becomes very real.

[CAB]

Where do you find the audio specs including bit and sample rate on released and pre-releases?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

DTS:MA, which people seem to get confused with DTS-HD, is an entire whole nother animal in and of itself, and is not what Fox seems to be getting ready to use for these upcoming releases...


Lie to me and yourself, and tell me you wouldn't want PCM on the Die Hard movies...go ahead, try it.

I am pretty sure that Fox will be using DTS-MA and not DTS-HD.