Star Trek TOS audio issues?

[un4gvn94538]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Which doesn't make much sense to me.

why? why wouldnt someone want the best possible sound out of thier equipment? or are you expecting them to go out and purchase more speakers? once upon a time, movies were only in stereo.

edit: would it be better to select the lossy track? some people just prefer a 2 channel set up for what ever reason. you dont have to understand.

[Jeff Kleist]

You need to set your system to stereo if you're using stereo speakers. You're missing the center channel and that's why you can't hear anything

[charlieray1]

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

edit: would it be better to select the lossy track? some people just prefer a 2 channel set up for what ever reason.

Yes! If the choice is between hearing the complete lossy soundtrack or hearing just a portion of the soundtrack in lossless audio . . . lossy obviously wins.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by charlieray1

Yes! If the choice is between hearing the complete lossy soundtrack or hearing just a portion of the soundtrack in lossless audio . . . lossy obviously wins.

I agree. If a person has a 2.0 or 2.1 setup and there's a lossy Dolby Digital 2.0 track then that would be the better choice over a lossless track. There are a few 2.0 lossless tracks out there, but they are heavily outnumbered by 5.1 and 7.1.

[Kyo28]

I have all three season and they all play just fine. My setup is:
- PS3
- Onkyo TX-SR607 receiver
- 5.1 B&W speaker & subwoofer setup

I've watched them all in DTS HD MA 7.1 and had no problems at all. However, I think this really depends on your setup and people watching those with their TV speakers might be better off with the lossy 2.0. I tried the DTS HD MA 7.1 through my TV speakers but also didn't notice any problems, except that I had to turn up the volume a few notches.

[dougotte]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

You need to set your system to stereo if you're using stereo speakers. You're missing the center channel and that's why you can't hear anything

Thanks, Jeff. A lot of posters here are writing incomplete or erroneous info. By setting your player to output stereo, it should downmix the lossless 5.1 track. Info from all the channels will be retained, but mixed down to 2 channels.

Doug

[JediFonger]

or just choose the 2.0 track

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by JediFonger

or just choose the 2.0 track

The two tracks differ in content, not just channels - the lossy track is the original broadcast mono, and the 7.1 lossless track is the remastered, remixed audio. When choosing between the two tracks, viewers should choose based on the content, not the channels. If your equipment is set up properly, whatever track you choose will be correctly mixed for the number of speakers you actually have and you will not miss any audio - as occurs for ALL Blu-rays. In fact, most BDs ONLY have 5.1 or 7.1 audio, so this would be a big problem if equipment was not designed to deal with this exact scenario.

[Lincoln6Echo]

Originally Posted by dougotte

Thanks, Jeff. A lot of posters here are writing incomplete or erroneous info. By setting your player to output stereo, it should downmix the lossless 5.1 track. Info from all the channels will be retained, but mixed down to 2 channels.

Doug

Yeah, that's what I'm saying...on my Oppo, you can set the unit to down-mix any track to whatever speaker set-up you have. I don't have 7.1, but I do have 5.1, so I just set it to down-mix to 5.1 and it "squeezes" those extra channels into the two surrounds.

But in anycase, I can't believe people who have upgraded to BD are still just using TV speakers as their sound source. Hell, when I upgraded to DVD back in '01, I made sure to have a dedicated 5.1 system. It was severely under-powered and LFE was severely lacking (2 built-in 40W subs into the FL/FR channels), and it couldn't even decode DTS, but I got a 720W system with a dedicated 120W sub that sits on the floor.

And the reason why I didn't get a then, 6.1 set-up, (7.1 mixes and receivers for that matter, weren't even around then) because I had no where to put that 6th speaker. My surround speakers straddle a window and that 6th speaker would have have to gone where the window is.

[JediFonger]

i know... but if you have 2.0 u might as well just listen to the original mono mix. no point in 7.1->2.0 downmix.

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

The two tracks differ in content, not just channels - the lossy track is the original broadcast mono, and the 7.1 lossless track is the remastered, remixed audio. When choosing between the two tracks, viewers should choose based on the content, not the channels. If your equipment is set up properly, whatever track you choose will be correctly mixed for the number of speakers you actually have and you will not miss any audio - as occurs for ALL Blu-rays. In fact, most BDs ONLY have 5.1 or 7.1 audio, so this would be a big problem if equipment was not designed to deal with this exact scenario.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

I'll file this under "helpful" posts.

I have yet to find a post here on Blu-ray.com or on other forums where people are having compatibility issues with a BD on their PS3. Whenever someone has an issue with a title, there's always people that say "works great on my PS3." It does get annoying after a while, if you ask me.

[Jeff Kleist]

know... but if you have 2.0 u might as well just listen to the original mono mix. no point in 7.1->2.0 downmix.

Very little or no work was done on the original mono, it's incredibly thin sounding by comparison, even on a downmix

[dougotte]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

But in anycase, I can't believe people who have upgraded to BD are still just using TV speakers as their sound source. Hell, when I upgraded to DVD back in '01, I made sure to have a dedicated 5.1 system. It was severely under-powered and LFE was severely lacking (2 built-in 40W subs into the FL/FR channels), and it couldn't even decode DTS, but I got a 720W system with a dedicated 120W sub that sits on the floor.

It depends on the situation. Our main LR system has a fairly nice surround setup (Marantz AVR, KEF speakers), but I have a second setup in a tiny area in the basement. This is my escape cave when the wife and daughter have taken over the LR to watch Biggest Loser or something similar. In the basement, I just have room for a 32" TV, FiOS box, and blu player.

I first tried setting the blu to downmix to a DD track, but realized that it downmixes to stereo just fine w/ the lossless track instead, and sounds better, too.

Doug

[Lincoln6Echo]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I have yet to find a post here on Blu-ray.com or on other forums where people are having compatibility issues with a BD on their PS3. Whenever someone has an issue with a title, there's always people that say "works great on my PS3." It does get annoying after a while, if you ask me.

Except, when it comes to BD50s, that supposedly don't exist yet.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/general-ch...oard-post.html

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

Except, when it comes to BD50s, that supposedly don't exist yet.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/general-ch...oard-post.html

[Kyo28]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I have yet to find a post here on Blu-ray.com or on other forums where people are having compatibility issues with a BD on their PS3. Whenever someone has an issue with a title, there's always people that say "works great on my PS3." It does get annoying after a while, if you ask me.

I can somewhat understand your frustration, but on the other hand, users can't lie and say a disc that works, doesn't work on their setup, now can they?
Also, I think it's useful to have a maximum of people what various players and setups post their findings. This can often be an indication then of the source of the problem: player issue, faulty master, firmware issue, etc.

I also think the PS3 often comes out as a player that experiences the least amount of playback issues, but I think that's related to the fact it's probably the player that gets updated the most by far and when issues arise, a firmware to fix it is often released within the week.

So yeah, I understand it gets annoying but just think of it as a necessary evil to help determine the exact cause of a problem.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Kyo28

Also, I think it's useful to have a maximum of people what various players and setups post their findings. This can often be an indication then of the source of the problem: player issue, faulty master, firmware issue, etc.

EXACTLY!!! And that's why it can be annoying when we have posts after posts of people bragging about how great their PS3 is. Yes, what need is feedback from different people with DIFFERENT players. Therefore, we can see how many players are having issues with a certain title. Now THAT is helpful!

Originally Posted by Kyo28

So yeah, I understand it gets annoying but just think of it as a necessary evil to help determine the exact cause of a problem.

If you look at the OP's signature, he's playing his BDs on an Oppo BDP-83. So, the most helpful response will be from people who've tried the Star Trek BDs on that particular player. Unless the OP has a PS3 (which is not listed on his sig), then responses like "Works on my PS3. Best Blu-ray player ever" is not going to be of any help to him.

[Lincoln6Echo]

Originally Posted by MrHT

If you look at the OP's signature, he's playing his BDs on an Oppo BDP-83. So, the most helpful response will be from people who've tried the Star Trek BDs on that particular player. Unless the OP has a PS3 (which is not listed on his sig), then responses like "Works on my PS3. Best Blu-ray player ever" is not going to be of any help to him.

Yes, and someone on the first page, if I'm not mistaken, has an Oppo 83 and the TOS discs work fine on his...so...that leads me to believe that those who have had dialogue volume issues with their TOS discs just have their players not set right concerning their speaker set-up. I mean, if I set my player to 7.1 and I try to play a 7.1 track, I'm going to be missing some sounds thru my 5.1 speakers. So I think what's happening is that the people who seemed to be having audio problems were trying to pass the 7.1 track thru TV spreakers or 2.1 systems, without setting their players to down-mix the audio tracks.