Mark Cuban: The internet is 'dead and boring'... - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

dadkins · 08-24-2007, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvortex7

I've been arguing about this topic with many people in recent times. I've been a huge cynic of being able to download high definition movies with todays broadband infrastructure. That is why I always laugh at anyone who suggests that Microsoft's so called plan to launch a hi-def download service is lurking around the corner. BS! It's not happening for many-many more years.

Most people wouldn't even have the patience to download a dvd quality movie from the internet right now, much less a Blu-ray quality movie. Too many factors have to be improved for that to happen any time soon.

So in essence, Cuban is right.

See this:

That is the Main Movie of Over The Hedge - converted to MPEG 2.
FULL DVD quality @ 3.23GB
The entire DVD is 6.83GB.

That would not take all that long to download on my Comcast 8mbps line.
Anyone here got FiOS?
3GB is a blip on the radar with 30mbps.

So, downloading a DVD for some is a non-issue at this time, even for me!

BDs are a whole nother story.

Cuban is wrong.

k20king · 08-24-2007, 08:45 PM

This is more of an issue of internet security and copyright issues.

i would love a higher internet speed, but I feel this can cause a massive negative effect over all economies and industiries.

Go Blu-ray!

JTK · 08-24-2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dadkins

See this:

That is the Main Movie of Over The Hedge - converted to MPEG 2.
FULL DVD quality @ 3.23GB
The entire DVD is 6.83GB.

That would not take all that long to download on my Comcast 8mbps line.
Anyone here got FiOS?
3GB is a blip on the radar with 30mbps.

So, downloading a DVD for some is a non-issue at this time, even for me!

BDs are a whole nother story.

Cuban is wrong.

No, he's not.

The guy in the boondocks or in the mountains or even friends I know in suburbs of parts of VA, for example, can't even get broadban even if they wanted to pay any amount of money to get it.

It's expensive and I know it's easy to forget, but most people in the country and around the world still do not use or have broadband Internet of some kind, although I know those numbers are going up all the time.

Someone would have to fish those out somewhere...

gvortex7 · 08-24-2007, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dadkins

See this:

That is the Main Movie of Over The Hedge - converted to MPEG 2.
FULL DVD quality @ 3.23GB
The entire DVD is 6.83GB.

That would not take all that long to download on my Comcast 8mbps line.
Anyone here got FiOS?
3GB is a blip on the radar with 30mbps.

So, downloading a DVD for some is a non-issue at this time, even for me!

BDs are a whole nother story.

Cuban is wrong.

See, you just proved my point. You even had to ask if anyone had FiOS. To answer your question, the vast majority of people don't have really high bandwith to download with. You are in the minority. And even if you do have them available in your area, they cost an arm and a leg. By the way 8Mbps isn't all that impressive. And let's not forget that you could have the best download speed in the world, but if the source you're downloading from has a crappy upload speed or is a high traffic site, then it really doesn't matter, does it?

By the way I have "DSL Extreme 6.0" in my house, and I can rarely take full advantage of it.

JTK · 08-24-2007, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvortex7

See, you just proved my point. You even had to ask if anyone had FiOS. To answer your question, the vast majority of people don't have really high bandwith to download with. You are in the minority. And even if you do have them available in your area, they cost an arm and a leg. By the way 8Mbps isn't all that impressive. And let's not forget that you could have the best download speed in the world, but if the source you're downloading from has a crappy upload speed or is a high traffic site, then it really doesn't matter, does it?

By the way I have "DSL Extreme 6.0" in my house, and I can rarely take full advantage of it.

^^ Exactly right.

gvortex7 · 08-24-2007, 09:20 PM

As I've stated it earlier. Too many factors have to be corrected in order for something like this to really take off and be accepted by the mainstream public.

dadkins · 08-24-2007, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTK

No, he's not.

The guy in the boondocks or in the mountains or even friends I know in suburbs of parts of VA, for example, can't even get broadban even if they wanted to pay any amount of money to get it.

It's expensive and I know it's easy to forget, but most people in the country and around the world still do not use or have broadband Internet of some kind, although I know those numbers are going up all the time.

Someone would have to fish those out somewhere...

...and some people don't own a computer.

Thing is, ATM, many people *CAN* download a DVD without issue.
Comcast alone has ~12.2million customers that can do this.
The guy in the boondocks made his choice... Sat for TV and dialup at best for internet(or FAP-ed to death Sat internet).

What do *YOU* have for a connection?
Is 3-5GB a no-no?

I have relatives that get a whopping 24k via their dialup - on a good day.
...and?
Cuban is generalizing that NO ONE can download a DVD. BS!

Cuban is wrong.

dadkins · 08-24-2007, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvortex7

See, you just proved my point. You even had to ask if anyone had FiOS. To answer your question, the vast majority of people don't have really high bandwith to download with. You are in the minority. And even if you do have them available in your area, they cost an arm and a leg. By the way 8Mbps isn't all that impressive. And let's not forget that you could have the best download speed in the world, but if the source you're downloading from has a crappy upload speed or is a high traffic site, then it really doesn't matter, does it?

By the way I have "DSL Extreme 6.0" in my house, and I can rarely take full advantage of it.

12 million Comcast customers can(and ALOT do) download DVDs every day.
I asked about Fios as the upper end of semi-mainstream connections.
Didn't say anything about COX, OOL, AT&T, Verizon Online, insert broadband ISP here _________.

Everyone in The Bay Area with *ANY* kind of broadband can download a DVD.
Everyone in *ANY* city/burb/suburb with ANY broadband can download a DVD.

Hello!
http://www.netflix.com/HowItWorks?lnkctr=nmhhiw

http://www.movielink.com/store/web/h...questid=965808

Blockbuster?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,42...1/article.html

For Cuban to say it cannot be done is foolish.
For y'all to think I am the only one capable or in the minority... no comment.

MANY people can and do download DVD quality videos everyday!

EDIT: Where I get my downloads(don't ask) I max my line. Period.
Yes! Exactly! My 8mbps line isn't all that(just like you said), yet I can still pull off what Cuban said cannot be done? Uh huh... Cuban is a tool! LOL!

gvortex7 · 08-24-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dadkins

12 million Comcast customers can(and ALOT do) download DVDs every day.
I asked about Fios as the upper end of semi-mainstream connections.
Didn't say anything about COX, OOL, AT&T, Verizon Online, insert broadband ISP here _________.

Everyone in The Bay Area with *ANY* kind of broadband can download a DVD.
Everyone in *ANY* city/burb/suburb with ANY broadband can download a DVD.

Hello!
http://www.netflix.com/HowItWorks?lnkctr=nmhhiw

http://www.movielink.com/store/web/h...questid=965808

Blockbuster?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,42...1/article.html

For Cuban to say it cannot be done is foolish.
For y'all to think I am the only one capable... no comment.

MANY people can and do download DVD quality videos everyday!

It was never the issue whether or not it could be done, but how well and how easily can it be done. Basically how convenient is it to download multiple gigs of info from unstable sources and overloaded pipelines?

gvortex7 · 08-24-2007, 09:52 PM

Oh, and just one more thing. Can you tell me in your opinion what percentage of those 12 million subscribers watch movies on their computer or have some sort setup to watch or stream downloaded content on their televison?

Face it, what you're talking about is a niche market.

dadkins · 08-24-2007, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvortex7

It was never the issue whether or not it could be done, but how well and how easily can it be done. Basically how convenient is it to download multiple gigs of info from unstable sources and overloaded pipelines?

Where are you?
Here in The Bay Area(think San Francisco Bay Area), "a few" people have broadband.
Some have slightly impressive broadband:

http://www.dslreports.com/archive?zi...t&start=Search

*I* download from dedicated servers with 10g service attached to them(redundant).

BTW, if you are having issues with utilizing your connection... well, I bet I could max it out!

gvortex7 · 08-24-2007, 10:01 PM

My location is right under my avatar. And I DO LIVE in a major metropolitan area.

dadkins · 08-24-2007, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvortex7

Oh, and just one more thing. Can you tell me in your opinion what percentage of those 12 million subscribers watch movies on their computer or have some sort setup to watch or stream downloaded content on their televison?

Face it, what you're talking about is a niche market.

No, I cannot.
Can you tell me how many other people on other various broadband ISP connections cannot download a 3-5GB file?

That "niche" as you call it, isn't as small as you think.
Legal *AND* Less-Than-Legal DVD downloads happen EVERYDAY!
Just because you(and others) may not be able use your connections, or can't even imagine downloading a DVD size file, doesn't mean the MILLIONS of other people aren't doing it.

I have been known to download 3+GB files. Even when my connection was cruising at 3mbps.
LOL!

Whatever. It does happen, it *IS* happening. All the time! By many people.

dadkins · 08-24-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvortex7

My location is right under my avatar. And I DO LIVE in a major metropolitan area.

...and you cannot use your 6mbps line? Something is wrong then.

EDIT: Guess what this is...

Yes, it is a "Large File" being downloaded.
Yes, it is maxing out my connection.
About 46 minutes left at the time of me snagging that image - I'll live.

Seeing as broadband speeds keep on climbing(I have 8, some have 15, others have 30, a few lucky people have 100mbps), DVD downloads are getting pretty close to being a mainstream occurance.
Why do you think Netflix has a download service now?

More and more people EVERYDAY are getting faster and faster connections.

What was your connection's max 3 years ago?
What is it now? It's higher, huh?
I can't say anything about Comcast... but watch!

scott1256ca · 08-24-2007, 10:37 PM

I have a few major problems with the download model.

1. Many ISP's still have limits to how much you can download (at least here). 60Gb being common.

2. A low percentage of people have high speed, and a lot don't have access to it at all (i.e. small rural communities).

Given those two limitations, HD downloads will not be true HD. M$ currently offers mid-def downloads of 1280x720, and they max out at what, 8-9G? I ask because I don't really know.

If you are a true HD aficianado, you want your movie with the fewest possible artifacts. That requires higher bit rate and higher res. Mid-def is less than 1/2 the pixels of 1920x1080. As long as bandwidth is at a premium, true HD will not be the norm for download.

So either support HD on disk, or expect substantially lower quality. I want the quality now. I don't want to wait for it to catch up in 10 years, or how ever long it takes.

gvortex7 · 08-25-2007, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dadkins

...and you cannot use your 6mbps line? Something is wrong then.

EDIT: Guess what this is...

Yes, it is a "Large File" being downloaded.
Yes, it is maxing out my connection.
About 46 minutes left at the time of me snagging that image - I'll live.

Seeing as broadband speeds keep on climbing(I have 8, some have 15, others have 30, a few lucky people have 100mbps), DVD downloads are getting pretty close to being a mainstream occurance.
Why do you think Netflix has a download service now?

More and more people EVERYDAY are getting faster and faster connections.

What was your connection's max 3 years ago?
What is it now? It's higher, huh?
I can't say anything about Comcast... but watch!

Netflix has a streaming service, not a download service. That's a big difference.

dadkins · 08-25-2007, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvortex7

Netflix has a streaming service, not a download service. That's a big difference.

Irrelavent.
The file still has to come in faster than it plays, right? No matter what service or source, the "item" has to fly or buffer for 30minutes.

They state, "in as little as 30 seconds"... think about it!

Movielink is either rent or own and it is *ALL* download.

*MY* source... no comment. Just that it can be done and I do it occasionally.

Cuban? Well...

"He's proven to be above average or better at managing business ventures. However, the minute he opens his mouth, the hilarity usually ensues."

08-24-2007, 09:52 PM	#30
gvortex7 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Fort Lauderdale, FL Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:105	Oh, and just one more thing. Can you tell me in your opinion what percentage of those 12 million subscribers watch movies on their computer or have some sort setup to watch or stream downloaded content on their televison? Face it, what you're talking about is a niche market. Last edited by gvortex7; 08-24-2007 at 09:58 PM.

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k20king Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	This is more of an issue of internet security and copyright issues. i would love a higher internet speed, but I feel this can cause a massive negative effect over all economies and industiries. Go Blu-ray!

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gvortex7 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Fort Lauderdale, FL Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:105	As I've stated it earlier. Too many factors have to be corrected in order for something like this to really take off and be accepted by the mainstream public.

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scott1256ca Active Member Member since:Oct 2006	I have a few major problems with the download model. 1. Many ISP's still have limits to how much you can download (at least here). 60Gb being common. 2. A low percentage of people have high speed, and a lot don't have access to it at all (i.e. small rural communities). Given those two limitations, HD downloads will not be true HD. M$ currently offers mid-def downloads of 1280x720, and they max out at what, 8-9G? I ask because I don't really know. If you are a true HD aficianado, you want your movie with the fewest possible artifacts. That requires higher bit rate and higher res. Mid-def is less than 1/2 the pixels of 1920x1080. As long as bandwidth is at a premium, true HD will not be the norm for download. So either support HD on disk, or expect substantially lower quality. I want the quality now. I don't want to wait for it to catch up in 10 years, or how ever long it takes.

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