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jscoggins · 01-31-2015, 07:16 AM

This really sucks because I redeemed Captain America 2 in Target Ticket instead of VUDU as I do with most movies. I hope they give us the option of transferring to VUDU.

And no, I don't use iTunes or Disney Movies Anywhere.

grrrarg · 01-31-2015, 09:44 AM

I had hope that my Target would eventually join DMA since they are a Disney retailer and have various promotions such as exclusive special features for some Disney titles.

It would be nice if Target allowed a link to DMA before shutting down to transfer all purchase rights

huskerbear · 01-31-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TBDave

Sure, you'll still own them and you can still watch them. But seriously, all the other UV services are garbage. Video/Audio quality sucks. Their catalogs are much smaller than Vudu. Some movies aren't carried by any other service. And the menus are so completely useless, it's impossible to browse through a large movie collection.

Would anyone have paid a cent on UV movies if Vudu didn't exist?

Most of the UIs other than Vudu are not very useful unless you only have a handful of movies but, what we have to remember is that we are all early adopters. Target ticket and the others will need to invest in an overhaul to their systems if they want to stay in the game and I believe some of them will, eventually. There was some talk a month ago that Flixster was upgrading. I never go there so I don't know if they have yet but the nice thing is if somebody comes up with a better set up than Vudu, I can switch, and not lose my movies, not being locked in is great

BlakkMajik3000 · 01-31-2015, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TBDave

The problem is that Flixster, CinemaNow and MGO all suck. TargetTicket was the 2nd best UV service. Sure, it was a very distant 2nd after Vudu. But at least it worked, had a good selection of titles, and some decent sales on UV movies.

Let's face it. If WalMart ever decides to drop Vudu, UV collections will be worthless.

That's subjective. I've used Vudu, Flixster, and Cinemanow a good bit, and I find them all to be pretty good. I used TT considerably less, as the interface on both web and mobile was just too clunky for my liking. TT also didn't offer D2D, one of the big reasons I started using UV in the first place. I actually consider Flixster the second best UV service.

Also, while most will agree VUDU is the best UV provider overall, you are being overly dramatic to say that the shutdown of VUDU means UV collections will be worthless. I think the only people that would be seriously affected by a VUDU shutdown would be users that have thousands of UV movies, since the others are known to have major issues with collections over a certain size. And let's be honest, those are a tiny minority of UV users.

TBDave · 01-31-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

you are being overly dramatic to say that the shutdown of VUDU means UV collections will be worthless.

Right now people are paying $3-$5 for UV codes. How much do you think anyone will pay for those if the only viewing options are Flixster and CinemaNow? I'm guessing that without Vudu, the demand drops so quickly you won't be able to get even $1 for them. Without Vudu, UV is as good as dead.

atlantajoseph · 01-31-2015, 01:36 PM

My one and only streaming experience with TT involved several buffers and all kinds of digital noise... this service was not ready for prime time. I hope I'm able to transfer my one non-UV title to another retailer. Darn you Magnolia Pictures, for not participating in UV.

BlakkMajik3000 · 01-31-2015, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TBDave

Right now people are paying $3-$5 for UV codes. How much do you think anyone will pay for those if the only viewing options are Flixster and CinemaNow? I'm guessing that without Vudu, the demand drops so quickly you won't be able to get even $1 for them. Without Vudu, UV is as good as dead.

Bro, do you even UV? You're going to get put in the corner with Steeldeel and bhampton if you keep this up.

So you equate the demand for UV codes to the success of UV? The "gray (or "grey" for those of you across the pond) market" for UV codes is but a small aspect of the overall UV market. Legally speaking, you aren't even supposed to sell/trade UV codes, but providers/studios look the other way for now because they just want people using the system.

People buy UV codes because, in many cases, it makes more sense to buy a permanent copy than to rent. If it costs $4 to rent a digital version of a movie, but you can buy a code for $5, or even that same $4, it just makes more sense to buy the code. What if you rent it for $4, and like it? You will still have to buy the movie. People buy UV codes because of economics, not because of provider preference.

It is nigh on impossible to predict that a lack of Vudu support leads to an immediate lack of UV interest, considering one of the biggest draws to UV is that your movies don't have to be tied to any one provider. Would prices for UV copies go down? It's definitely possible, but that would only impact the people selling UV codes, not the UV system itself.

rubystone356 · 01-31-2015, 02:19 PM

I always hear stories that streaming is the future and that blurays are going bye bye. if this is true about target ticket. what about the others? all that wasted money on titles if you cannt watch them.
I have bought a few myself. I only use the ones that I get from the blu ray if it has one.
for those that have spent alot of money on it. good luck.

Jacob

TBDave · 01-31-2015, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

Bro, do you even UV? You're going to get put in the corner with Steeldeel and bhampton if you keep this up.

Your little digital collection is cute. But I own 2500 movies at Vudu. So how about you sit down and shut up while the serious collectors are talking. Mmmkay?

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So you equate the demand for UV codes to the success of UV?

I'm equating the desire for UV codes to the success of UV. No one is going to want a UV code if it can only be used at Flixster/CinemaNow.

The biggest draw to UV is Vudu. They provide excellent apps across almost every platform, with the best video/audio quality. Every other UV service has half-assed apps with sub-par video/audio.

BlakkMajik3000 · 01-31-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TBDave

Your little digital collection is cute. But I own 2500 movies at Vudu. So how about you sit down and shut up while the serious collectors are talking. Mmmkay?

I'm equating the desire for UV codes to the success of UV. No one is going to want a UV code if it can only be used at Flixster/CinemaNow.

The biggest draw to UV is Vudu. They provide excellent apps across almost every platform, with the best video/audio quality. Every other UV service has half-assed apps with sub-par video/audio.

I'm not a collector, so yes our collections will be vastly different, especially in count. However, feel free to continue with the "mine is bigger than yours" wordplay. It's mildly amusing, if nothing else.

I stand by my statement that UV code demand is driven primarily by economics and not provider loyalty. Unless VUDU folds, neither of us are right or wrong, are we? It's probably best we leave it at that.

But if you wish, please continue on about how I'm not as qualified as you to speak on UV, just because my collection is smaller.

steve_dave · 01-31-2015, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rubystone356

I always hear stories that streaming is the future and that blurays are going bye bye. if this is true about target ticket. what about the others? all that wasted money on titles if you cannt watch them.
I have bought a few myself. I only use the ones that I get from the blu ray if it has one.
for those that have spent alot of money on it. good luck.

Jacob

Target Ticket is backed by Target and well, Target has proven in the past that if they can change things... they can try. Even it goes against what other retailers are doing they'll try.

Vudu, on the other hand, is backed by Walmart and well, Walmart has proven in the past that if they can dictate change... they will. Even making competitors follow them down that hole.

Walmart helps foster Ultraviolet with Vudu, they didn't create Vudu by the way... they bought it from another company. Then to help foster the growth of UV and Vudu, they introduced Disc to Digital in stores. That was not enough though so Disc to Digital in home became a reality. Then with their pre-orders they offered UV/Vudu copies without fuss or muss. Soon, with the pre-orders comes watch on digital before DVD or Blu-ray. Now they have got a lot of studios/distributors on board with Instawatch where you don't even have to put in a code anymore. Just buy it in a store, scan the receipt in your phone, and its yours.

On top of that, Walmart has even brought Well Go and other independent distributors on board to digital streaming by having them include Vudu exclusive digital copies. They are not UV but they work in Vudu and that is what Walmart wants. Walmart has also pushed for multi Blu-ray and DVD packs to include UV or Vudu codes inside them.

Walmart is basically making it less of a hassle to have a digital library.

Now, let's look at Target, the only promos for Target Ticket are signs in the stores and product stickers. There are a couple of display signs by the registers but not much else. Oh, wait, some coupons print at the registers for Target Ticket. When Target Ticket first started, the only "Target Ticket Exclusives" were and still are bonus features. Sure, you can say the Marvel movies are Target Ticket exclusive but in reality all you got was one extra featurette. Target just did not push distributors to offer TT exclusive digital copies. And Target's bargain & multi pack shelves do not feature Target Ticket or UV digital copies in the selections. Target Ticket also does not have as many devices to play back on which again hurts the service.

Every Panasonic TV has Vudu, only 2014 and newer Pani's have Target Ticket. The XBox 360 has Target Ticket, the XBox One does not. Neither the PS3 or PS4 have Target Ticket. Target Ticket does not support Chromecast yet Vudu and Flixster do. You can get Target Ticket on most Rokus though but Vudu is on all on them.

Target Ticket just had an uphill fight and Target could have made it a great profitable service but Target just does not put a lot of support into store programs. Without that support, they hit bottom and refused to find a way out.

In terms of A/V: Target Ticket is 720p, digital stereo sound at the max. (On the 360, due to the hardware scaling it can display at "1080p" with "5.1" sound). Vudu offers 1080p with up to Dolby Digital Atmos.

The only real thing I liked about Target Ticket were the sales where movies can get real cheap and the redemption almost always guaranteed you got the HD version that you were promised on the sheet.

TBDave · 01-31-2015, 05:00 PM

Lighten up. You questioned whether I should be dismissed like other UV haters. And I was just busting your balls in return.

The answer is yes, I've got plenty of skin in the game. And I recognize that if Vudu closes shop, all that time and money compiling a collection is down the drain. Because the other UV services are all crap.

The freedom of UV is a nice marketing gimmick. But it's just a gimmick. Because in the end, there's only one UV provider worth using.

Clark Kent · 01-31-2015, 05:10 PM

Yes, UltraViolet is in a very fragile position because it almost exclusively relies on VUDU as its primary service. Walmart does not cow-tow to Hollywood, it is actually the other way around because Hollywood realizes Walmart's market reach extends far beyond other distribution channels.

Never forget that Walmart completely dropped their MP3 music service, abandoning those purchases and customers wholesale. VUDU's streaming revenue doesn't even merit a line in their quarterly reports, an executive could axe the service at any time if there was a shift in corporate priorities.

The studios would likely have to step in and actually negotiate VUDU's purchase to another company if Walmart decided to abandon it. If VUDU died, UltraViolet is mostly a worthless shell service. Hollywood likely wouldn't allow VUDU's collapse to happen since the streaming market is in its nascent stages. Its failure would be a huge blow to the perceived value of streaming copies.

KenBuzz · 01-31-2015, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zu Nim

List of UV-enabled movies on TT

I didn't get prices or anything and the sorting could be better. Good luck.

No worries, that list is awesomesauce as is....

Apologies in advance for the length of this post, but I have just scrubbed what I believe to be the entire Target Ticket UV-compatible catalog against the published Vudu D2D list in an effort to identify as many of the titles that can be purchased at Target BEFORE they shut down that will be retained in our UV lockers, but that CANNOT be purchased more cheaply by doing a D2D conversion.

There are slightly over 500 titles. Most of them are crap, but there are a few nuggets buried in there, including movies that are recent releases but that have not been out long enough for Vudu to offer D2D on them.

[Edited to add] - There may be a couple of titles that I missed, and there may be a few titles below that don't work. I'm not trying to provide a definitive list, just a 95% solution to try to help out anyone who is looking at TT credits that they have to use or lose forever.

Here's the list:

[Show spoiler]

bigt7117 · 02-01-2015, 02:01 AM

I just bought Nightbreed a month ago and its not UV so does that mean I'll lose it

BlakkMajik3000 · 02-01-2015, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Yes, UltraViolet is in a very fragile position because it almost exclusively relies on VUDU as its primary service. Walmart does not cow-tow to Hollywood, it is actually the other way around because Hollywood realizes Walmart's market reach extends far beyond other distribution channels.

Never forget that Walmart completely dropped their MP3 music service, abandoning those purchases and customers wholesale. VUDU's streaming revenue doesn't even merit a line in their quarterly reports, an executive could axe the service at any time if there was a shift in corporate priorities.

The studios would likely have to step in and actually negotiate VUDU's purchase to another company if Walmart decided to abandon it. If VUDU died, UltraViolet is mostly a worthless shell service. Hollywood likely wouldn't allow VUDU's collapse to happen since the streaming market is in its nascent stages. Its failure would be a huge blow to the perceived value of streaming copies.

The Walmart MP3 thing is different, because if you bought mp3s from that service, they only worked with that service. UV is not the same is it?

Like I said, it is impossible to predict what would happen if VUDU folded. However, I am of the opinion that UV codes are popular not because they work with VUDU, but because they are sold at a cost at about the cost of renting the movie digitally.

cmleblanc · 02-01-2015, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bigt7117

I just bought Nightbreed a month ago and its not UV so does that mean I'll lose it

I have a lot of non-UV stuff on Target Ticket and was concerned what would happen to it. So I called them yesterday because I have some open tickets I was checking on and asked about this. They told me that the accounts will be moved over to CinemaNow including outstanding credits. We will be sent an email in February with instructions. Since I already have a CinemaNow account too, I will want to merge them. If this is true, it is a relief that we won't be losing the non-UV stuff.

steve_dave · 02-01-2015, 08:01 AM

So if the non UV movies & TV shows move to CinemaNow, will that include the exclusive featurettes?

Hmm.

grrrarg · 02-01-2015, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cmleblanc

They told me that the accounts will be moved over to CinemaNow including outstanding credits.

So now I have to hope Cinemanow joins DMA....?!

I thought Target had a *chance* of joining DMA so I bought a bunch of Disney movies with credits. Cinemanow I never thought had a chance of joining DMA. Oh well, win some, lose some.

jbloggs · 02-01-2015, 05:54 PM

Ironically, I use TargetTicket more that I've ever used CinemaNow . As the saying goes..."From the frying pan into the fire"

01-31-2015, 05:10 PM	#33
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	Yes, UltraViolet is in a very fragile position because it almost exclusively relies on VUDU as its primary service. Walmart does not cow-tow to Hollywood, it is actually the other way around because Hollywood realizes Walmart's market reach extends far beyond other distribution channels. Never forget that Walmart completely dropped their MP3 music service, abandoning those purchases and customers wholesale. VUDU's streaming revenue doesn't even merit a line in their quarterly reports, an executive could axe the service at any time if there was a shift in corporate priorities. The studios would likely have to step in and actually negotiate VUDU's purchase to another company if Walmart decided to abandon it. If VUDU died, UltraViolet is mostly a worthless shell service. Hollywood likely wouldn't allow VUDU's collapse to happen since the streaming market is in its nascent stages. Its failure would be a huge blow to the perceived value of streaming copies. Last edited by Clark Kent; 01-31-2015 at 05:14 PM.

01-31-2015, 07:16 AM	#21
jscoggins Banned Top contributor Member since:Apr 2014 Trading Score:115	This really sucks because I redeemed Captain America 2 in Target Ticket instead of VUDU as I do with most movies. I hope they give us the option of transferring to VUDU. And no, I don't use iTunes or Disney Movies Anywhere.

01-31-2015, 09:44 AM	#22
grrrarg Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:May 2008 Blu-ray collection:200 Trading Score:571	I had hope that my Target would eventually join DMA since they are a Disney retailer and have various promotions such as exclusive special features for some Disney titles. It would be nice if Target allowed a link to DMA before shutting down to transfer all purchase rights

01-31-2015, 01:36 PM	#26
atlantajoseph Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2010 Location:Atlanta 4K collection:24 Blu-ray collection:605 DVD collection:291 Digital collection:322 iTunes collection:2 Prime collection:4 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:5	My one and only streaming experience with TT involved several buffers and all kinds of digital noise... this service was not ready for prime time. I hope I'm able to transfer my one non-UV title to another retailer. Darn you Magnolia Pictures, for not participating in UV.

01-31-2015, 02:19 PM	#28
rubystone356 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:98 Blu-ray collection:1243 DVD collection:284 Digital collection:690 iTunes collection:19	I always hear stories that streaming is the future and that blurays are going bye bye. if this is true about target ticket. what about the others? all that wasted money on titles if you cannt watch them. I have bought a few myself. I only use the ones that I get from the blu ray if it has one. for those that have spent alot of money on it. good luck. Jacob

01-31-2015, 05:00 PM	#32
TBDave Special Member Member since:Nov 2007 Digital collection:4 Trading Score:445	Lighten up. You questioned whether I should be dismissed like other UV haters. And I was just busting your balls in return. The answer is yes, I've got plenty of skin in the game. And I recognize that if Vudu closes shop, all that time and money compiling a collection is down the drain. Because the other UV services are all crap. The freedom of UV is a nice marketing gimmick. But it's just a gimmick. Because in the end, there's only one UV provider worth using.

02-01-2015, 02:01 AM	#35
bigt7117 Special Member Member since:Aug 2008 Digital collection:819 Trading Score:438	I just bought Nightbreed a month ago and its not UV so does that mean I'll lose it

02-01-2015, 08:01 AM	#38
steve_dave Blu-ray Duke Member since:Nov 2008 Trading Score:21	So if the non UV movies & TV shows move to CinemaNow, will that include the exclusive featurettes? Hmm.

02-01-2015, 05:54 PM	#40
jbloggs Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jan 2014 Digital collection:10 Trading Score:1035	Ironically, I use TargetTicket more that I've ever used CinemaNow . As the saying goes..."From the frying pan into the fire"

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