Value Electronics 2015 Flat Panel Shootout at CE Week

[CJS234]

Nothing is showing up when I go to the link provided.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by CJS234

Nothing is showing up when I go to the link provided.

Value Electronics 2015 shootout - YouTube

The link Zohn posted is live now:

http://livestream.com/accounts/632436/events/4151627

[Robert Zohn]

Check back tomorrow at 9:20am and 1:30pm EST for the live webcasts of our final two TV Shootout evaluation events.

Here's a video interview by Scott Wilkinson at CE Week NY about our 2015 TV Shootout.

Enjoy!

-Robert

[raygendreau]

Watching the live morning shootout. Much better than yesterday. LG Rep responding to an audience question about dark edges on the LG display said it was not due to the curvature, but was a problem they were working on (LG and LG Display) but did not have a technical explanation for the issue.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Check back tomorrow at 9:20am and 1:30pm EST for the live webcasts of our final two TV Shootout evaluation events.

Well, some people around here have to work for a living and those temporary live feeds do them (us), no good.

Is there going to be any permanent YouTube link so those still in the rat race of life are able to view at a more convenient time?....or is anyone here attending who could do an unbiased short synopsis of Robert’s shootout?

Meanwhile, I can inform you that in the professional realm (for use in mastering suites in post houses), a 50-ish inch monitor using an LG OLED panel is in the works by a manufacturer. I’m thinking it may suffice for SDR but will have a difficult time doing top drawer HDR…as compared to something like the Sony BVM-X300 or Dolby’s Pulsar.

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Watching the live morning shootout. Much better than yesterday. LG Rep responding to an audience question about dark edges on the LG display said it was not due to the curvature, but was a problem they were working on (LG and LG Display) but did not have a technical explanation for the issue.

I agree. Much better today.

A few weeks ago, I saw the problem and the Best Buy rep said it was a dead pixel.

I thought to myself, that is some very long dead pixel. It was vertical and ran from the top to the bottom of the screen

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by JimShaw

I agree. Much better today.

A few weeks ago, I saw the problem and the Best Buy rep said it was a dead pixel.

I thought to myself, that is some very long dead pixel. It was vertical and ran from the top to the bottom of the screen

I just watched the afternoon stream. Zohn said the LG65EG9600 in the shootout only had 50 hours on it. What happened to 400 hours break in before calibrating. Some on AVS Forum attended the shootout and ranked the LG last. Also notice the prominent positioning for the Sony and Samsung with the Panasonic and LG off to the sides.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, some people around here have to work for a living and those temporary live feeds do them (us), no good.

Is there going to be any permanent YouTube link so those still in the rat race of life are able to view at a more convenient time?....or is anyone here attending who could do an unbiased short synopsis of Robert’s shootout?

Meanwhile, I can inform you that in the professional realm (for use in mastering suites in post houses), a 50-ish inch monitor using an LG OLED panel is in the works by a manufacturer. I’m thinking it may suffice for SDR but will have a difficult time doing top drawer HDR…as compared to something like the Sony BVM-X300 or Dolby’s Pulsar.

One of the best suggestions from the audience during the morning shootout was to include a reference monitor so people could compare content shown on the shootout competitors to a reference. The new Sony OLED monitor was mentioned.

[punisher]

sorry I missed it...too busy testing speakers..glad I missed it from what I saw online.Time to put the shootouts on hold, last year's was chaotic at best and this year's seems worse. LED /LCD tv's aren't for me and none of the pros either.OLED's are not ready for prime time. So Robert my friend, you had a good run, but it's over. CYA down the road when we have some real tv's to test.

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I just watched the afternoon stream. Zohn said the LG65EG9600 in the shootout only had 50 hours on it. What happened to 400 hours break in before calibrating. Some on AVS Forum attended the shootout and ranked the LG last. Also notice the prominent positioning for the Sony and Samsung with the Panasonic and LG off to the sides.

My guess is the OLED's pixels will fluctuate very little because of the small amount of time needed for the ShootOut, all should be good.

But for a home owner the break in is needed before calibration because the set is going to be kept.

Positioning??? That is why everyone was told many, many times to get up and stand in front of each set.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

One of the best suggestions from the audience during the morning shootout was to include a reference monitor so people could compare content shown on the shootout competitors to a reference. The new Sony OLED monitor was mentioned.

Well, just to be fair and for the record, the current Sony 4K OLED (BVM-X300) is using SLog3 as the EOTF for displaying HDR content, but coming shortly, there will be a firmware update to support SMPTE 2084 .

[Penton-Man]

My neighbor needs a new TV now, like 4th of July now! Can one of you guys post the retail price of each of the displays that Robert tested in a succinct post so I can just link it to him in a quick email.

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

My neighbor needs a new TV now, like 4th of July now! Can one of you guys post the retail price of each of the displays that Robert tested in a succinct post so I can just link it to him in a quick email.

What type/size does he want? 1080p/4K/UHD4K
24"-120"

How much does he want to spend?
$299-$120,000.00?

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I just watched the afternoon stream. Zohn said the LG65EG9600 in the shootout only had 50 hours on it. What happened to 400 hours break in before calibrating. Some on AVS Forum attended the shootout and ranked the LG last. Also notice the prominent positioning for the Sony and Samsung with the Panasonic and LG off to the sides.

The positioning meant nothing because the outside sets were set on an angle. If you were seated in the middle or anywhere near it, all the sets were pointed directly at you. In fact, this setup was far better than the usual setup at the store because at the store, all the sets are mounted on the wall, so if you are off-axis, you're really off-axis. Besides, we all got up and walked around (in the morning session). Off-axis performance on all the sets was actually quite good - far, far better than my Sony XBR-929 from a few years back.

The LG OLED had two problems: one was the weird irregular black seen at the left and right edges during dark scenes. The darker the scene, the worse it got. With test slides, there was a really big black irregular black smear at the left and right edges.

The other was that the color was a bit off - it was greener than the other sets, but I'll admit it was a bit hard to tell whether it was the LG that was off or all the other sets that were off and whether this was inherent to the set or whether it was calibrated incorrectly. At first I thought that the OLED was crushing the blacks because it appeared to have less detail in the scenes from Gravity, but on later tests, I realized that the black smear problem was covering up that part of the image. But that might be why some people rated it down.

Other than that, in real world material, all the sets looked good. And if one was watching the LG without the other sets present, you'd probably think it was fine because on some material (in "Life of Pi"), it's tendency to be greener was an aesthetic improvement. This reminded me of the Sharp from a few years ago that tended to show some blacks as blue. It actually looked good (but it was wrong).

I left feeling that no set dominated. Each one exceeded at something, but each also had a major flaw. Black levels have gotten so good on the other sets that the OLED didn't blow me away like it did last year. But if the OLED didn't have that strange problem at low light levels, it probably would have been my choice as best set and I suspect other people's as well.

But don't take the ratings too seriously. It's all very subjective and each person has their own idea of what any particular number means. Two different people can think, for example, that color accuracy is very good and one might rate it a "9" and one might rate it a "7". It's not decided in advance as to whether "10" means ideal perfection or whether "10" means the best one of these sets can achieve today.

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

The positioning meant nothing because the outside sets were set on an angle. If you were seated in the middle or anywhere near it, all the sets were pointed directly at you. In fact, this setup was far better than the usual setup at the store because at the store, all the sets are mounted on the wall, so if you are off-axis, you're really off-axis. Besides, we all got up and walked around (in the morning session). Off-axis performance on all the sets was actually quite good - far, far better than my Sony XBR-929 from a few years back.

The LG OLED had two problems: one was the weird irregular black seen at the left and right edges during dark scenes. The darker the scene, the worse it got. With test slides, there was a really big black irregular black smear at the left and right edges.

The other was that the color was a bit off - it was greener than the other sets, but I'll admit it was a bit hard to tell whether it was the LG that was off or all the other sets that were off and whether this was inherent to the set or whether it was calibrated incorrectly. At first I thought that the OLED was crushing the blacks because it appeared to have less detail in the scenes from Gravity, but on later tests, I realized that the black smear problem was covering up that part of the image. But that might be why some people rated it down.

Other than that, in real world material, all the sets looked good. And if one was watching the LG without the other sets present, you'd probably think it was fine because on some material (in "Life of Pi"), it's tendency to be greener was an aesthetic improvement. This reminded me of the Sharp from a few years ago that tended to show some blacks as blue. It actually looked good (but it was wrong).

I left feeling that no set dominated. Each one exceeded at something, but each also had a major flaw. Black levels have gotten so good on the other sets that the OLED didn't blow me away like it did last year. But if the OLED didn't have that strange problem at low light levels, it probably would have been my choice as best set and I suspect other people's as well.

But don't take the ratings too seriously. It's all very subjective and each person has their own idea of what any particular number means. Two different people can think, for example, that color accuracy is very good and one might rate it a "9" and one might rate it a "7". It's not decided in advance as to whether "10" means ideal perfection or whether "10" means the best one of these sets can achieve today.

Interesting about the OLED.

The OLED was on my list of potentials but this is making me reconsider

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I just watched the afternoon stream. Zohn said the LG65EG9600 in the shootout only had 50 hours on it. What happened to 400 hours break in before calibrating. Some on AVS Forum attended the shootout and ranked the LG last. Also notice the prominent positioning for the Sony and Samsung with the Panasonic and LG off to the sides.

It's not a plasma so it doesn't need a break in period. Also, The Panasonic's black levels were horrible and the LG's were amazing. The black clouding on the sides of the LG were a concern, the rep did say they are working on a fix (when is that happening, is another story). I believe the LG will win (but by a small margin though). It did feel odd (I guess that's because it wasn't in Scarsdale and D-Nice, David & Kevin weren't that) but, 3 out of the 4 sets were very impressive overall.
Even though it was much easier (and cheaper) that it took place in Manhattan, I would have preferred that it was held in Scarsdale (especially since it was a smaller turnout due to it being during the day, even though the room was kind of bigger than the store). I look forward to next years shootout..

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

The positioning meant nothing because the outside sets were set on an angle. If you were seated in the middle or anywhere near it, all the sets were pointed directly at you. In fact, this setup was far better than the usual setup at the store because at the store, all the sets are mounted on the wall, so if you are off-axis, you're really off-axis. Besides, we all got up and walked around (in the morning session). Off-axis performance on all the sets was actually quite good - far, far better than my Sony XBR-929 from a few years back.

The LG OLED had two problems: one was the weird irregular black seen at the left and right edges during dark scenes. The darker the scene, the worse it got. With test slides, there was a really big black irregular black smear at the left and right edges.

The other was that the color was a bit off - it was greener than the other sets, but I'll admit it was a bit hard to tell whether it was the LG that was off or all the other sets that were off and whether this was inherent to the set or whether it was calibrated incorrectly. At first I thought that the OLED was crushing the blacks because it appeared to have less detail in the scenes from Gravity, but on later tests, I realized that the black smear problem was covering up that part of the image. But that might be why some people rated it down.

Other than that, in real world material, all the sets looked good. And if one was watching the LG without the other sets present, you'd probably think it was fine because on some material (in "Life of Pi"), it's tendency to be greener was an aesthetic improvement. This reminded me of the Sharp from a few years ago that tended to show some blacks as blue. It actually looked good (but it was wrong).

I left feeling that no set dominated. Each one exceeded at something, but each also had a major flaw. Black levels have gotten so good on the other sets that the OLED didn't blow me away like it did last year. But if the OLED didn't have that strange problem at low light levels, it probably would have been my choice as best set and I suspect other people's as well.

But don't take the ratings too seriously. It's all very subjective and each person has their own idea of what any particular number means. Two different people can think, for example, that color accuracy is very good and one might rate it a "9" and one might rate it a "7". It's not decided in advance as to whether "10" means ideal perfection or whether "10" means the best one of these sets can achieve today.

Yeah, the blue looked a bit green and the black clouding was a concern. I do believe (and hope) that both issues could be corrected with a FW upgrade.

[raygendreau]

Did any of you see the Kane HDR demo on the Samsung? If yes, your comments?

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

It's not a plasma so it doesn't need a break in period. Also, The Panasonic's black levels were horrible and the LG's were amazing. The black clouding on the sides of the LG were a concern, the rep did say they are working on a fix (when is that happening, is another story). I believe the LG will win (but by a small margin though). It did feel odd (I guess that's because it wasn't in Scarsdale and D-Nice, David & Kevin weren't that) but, 3 out of the 4 sets were very impressive overall.
Even though it was much easier (and cheaper) that it took place in Manhattan, I would have preferred that it was held in Scarsdale (especially since it was a smaller turnout due to it being during the day, even though the room was kind of bigger than the store). I look forward to next years shootout..

Robert says the OLED does. 400 hours: to quote.

If I remember correctly, D-Nice or Robert also said something like: the OLED will really never settle down and will continually fluxuation slightly even after the 400 break-in

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Did any of you see the Kane HDR demo on the Samsung? If yes, your comments?

Wow. Did not heart that.

This I would really like to hear or in this case, read.