Star Trek TOS: The Roddenberry Vault (2016)

[nmycon]

Let's see... 78 episodes of the Original Series and they are putting out bits and pieces of this "found" footage alongside 12 episodes

I figure about 7 volumes (and several years) later we'll finally have all of this newly discovered footage after having re-bought TOS in it's entirety a second time over

But, if it'll help fund DS9 and Voyager...

[DavidGallow]

The Voyager and DS9 boat has long since sailed. Michael Okuda has said that sales of the TNG sets were just about enough to keep going with them, but CBS believed (rightly) that as DS9 and Voyager have been, and never will be, as big as TNG that they would really struggle to make the money required to do 14 seasons of restoration work.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by nmycon

Let's see... 78 episodes of the Original Series and they are putting out bits and pieces of this "found" footage alongside 12 episodes

I figure about 7 volumes (and several years) later we'll finally have all of this newly discovered footage after having re-bought TOS in it's entirety a second time over

But, if it'll help fund DS9 and Voyager...

Yeah, exactly my thoughts. They've now found a new way to make us buy all the episodes all over again in groups of 12! I don't like it the more I think about it. They could have released a "vault box set" of all the existing raw footage they've found plus some new retrospectives and whatnot, just like other sets have done in the past. I've seen many releases include raw unused footage, and it's always cool to see, regardless of lack of audio, black and white, whatever. I don't need a guided tour nor do I need the episodes all over again. Not when I have to re-buy the episodes 12 at a time. Just give us a vault with lots of newly-found footage and some new docs and I think fans would be thrilled.

This reminds me of how A&E gouged the Space:1999 fans back in the early days of DVD. They were releasing "sets" of 6 episodes at a time, 3 per disc! At $39.99 per set that totalled a stunning $320 by the time I had purchased the complete 2-season set of 48 episodes over a 2 year period. Ridiculous, and this sounds like what they've got planned for the Star Trek vault.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by DavidGallow

The Voyager and DS9 boat has long since sailed. Michael Okuda has said that sales of the TNG sets were just about enough to keep going with them, but CBS believed (rightly) that as DS9 and Voyager have been, and never will be, as big as TNG that they would really struggle to make the money required to do 14 seasons of restoration work.

Which leaves DS9 and Voyager to remain in poor DVD quality, never to be improved upon. What a kick in the head for fans.

[Gone2HiDef]

Originally Posted by mar3o

This sounds intriguing for sure, but personally I wish they'd just put out a set that contains all the deleted scenes for every episode that they have the footage for all at once. Instead, it sounds like they are doing it this way to milk the fans, small groups of deleted scenes at a time, incorporated into features.

I think that's way easier said than done. I saw a video of their comiccon panel where they talked about the meticulous and tedious work involved in going through every single canister to learn what was inside each one, and match it to its video or audio mate which was stored separately in other canisters. There were thousands of canisters, and I don't doubt some elements became unusable over time. As for milking fans, dude, that's entirely our fault! LOL If we didn't buy everything they sold and resold on Day 1, they'd never have a need to keep putting it out.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Gone2HiDef

I think that's way easier said than done. I saw a video of their comiccon panel where they talked about the meticulous and tedious work involved in going through every single canister to learn what was inside each one, and match it to its video or audio mate which was stored separately in other canisters. There were thousands of canisters, and I don't doubt some elements became unusable over time. As for milking fans, dude, that's entirely our fault! LOL If we didn't buy everything they sold and resold on Day 1, they'd never have a need to keep putting it out.

Well okay so they put some extra effort in to locate and merge matching audio, video, etc.

That's great, but still doesn't explain why they will only release it in tiny packs of 12 at a time, nor why we need to actually re-buy the episodes again while we are at it. I'd be far more likely to buy a single "vault" set with all the supplements for, say, $75 - $85, containing nothing but extras, like the "vault" books you see at Barnes and Noble, than spend $50 every few months on another 12 episodes I already own, just to get a new batch of extras.

[solaris72]

Originally Posted by DavidGallow

The Voyager and DS9 boat has long since sailed. Michael Okuda has said that sales of the TNG sets were just about enough to keep going with them, but CBS believed (rightly) that as DS9 and Voyager have been, and never will be, as big as TNG that they would really struggle to make the money required to do 14 seasons of restoration work.

I'm surprised that physical media sales were the main motivator and not streaming.

[MattmanAlpha]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Which leaves DS9 and Voyager to remain in poor DVD quality, never to be improved upon. What a kick in the head for fans.

Personally, I'd be happy just to see them on BD in standard-def, but utilizing better encoding and compression. It's a shame studios only view Blu-ray for "HD" and not for the wonderful storage opportunities it offers.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by solaris72

I'm surprised that physical media sales were the main motivator and not streaming.

Insiders have said repeatedly that broadcasters and streaming companies don't really care about remasters for old stuff at all. They are not picky and have zero interest in paying for it. The idea of Netflix giving CBS millions to remaster a show seems to be a total fallacy imagined by people who didn't want to pay up for the discs.

[Geoff D]

Indeed. IIRC the liquid cash that CBS freed up to remaster TNG was a result of a big streaming deal that they inked for the franchise as a whole, i.e. it wasn't about x vendor saying "hey, we want TNG in HD, here's nine million dollars. Keep the change, ya filthy animals". TNG was a huge extravagance and it simply didn't pay off the way that CBS wanted it to.

[mar3o]

I really don't like how this is being presented. They could have easily taken all the footage they're planning on letting us have from all 3 seasons, put it all in one magnificent "vault", arrange the clips by episode, and be done with it. Instead, they're padding the set put by only including footage from a handful of episodes per vault, inserting the footage into documentaries to pad the set out instead of just dropping the clips and footage on the discs, and then further padding the set out by including the same exact episodes that any Star Trek fan already owns. Not cool. They're obviously doing it this way to sell us 6 vaults instead of one. But how many plan on buying 6 of these just for some lost footage inserted into new mini-documentaries, when the bulk of each set is just going to be the same episodes they already own? This will become an expensive set to complete, and the majority of each set will just be the episodes again.

[Bolty]

They have said this is a one-shot.
That all the interesting stuff is going into this set. I don't think they will be doing this again.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Bolty

They have said this is a one-shot.
That all the interesting stuff is going into this set. I don't think they will be doing this again.

What about post #17 it says this is the 1st rollout ?

[Bolty]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

What about post #17 it says this is the 1st rollout ?

Other folks involved have said there isn't enough for more than one release.

If they try to dole out a little material in dribs and drabs -- they are going to have a huge failure on their hands. I have zero interest in getting bonus material piecemeal and being forced to rebuy the whole series. I don't think ANYBODY will go for that.

We will know for sure in 103 days. Hopefully reviews a few days before.

[Bobbyjoe766]

All these 'new' outtakes,trims,behind-the-scenes footage and bloopers should have been loaded onto their own seperate disc(s) with new featurettes or documentary and included in the 50th anniversary re-issue STAR TREK TOS box set.I would have triple-dipped for sure.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

All these 'new' outtakes,trims,behind-the-scenes footage and bloopers should have been loaded onto their own seperate disc(s) with new featurettes or documentary and included in the 50th anniversary re-issue STAR TREK TOS box set.I would have triple-dipped for sure.

Why would you rather buy that huge and expensive set than this small release when you already own the shows and movies? I don't get that.

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Why would you rather buy that huge and expensive set than this small release when you already own the shows and movies? I don't get that.

Hypothetically if it would be the only way to get all the outtakes in one box set why not?I could always offload the previous box sets on Ebay.I have zero interest in the movies-just TOS.

It might also be cheaper than buying who knows how many editions of THE RODDENBERRY VAULT to get all the outtakes.

[mar3o]

If this is a one-shot deal that includes all the outtakes and extras they plan on releasing for all the episodes all at once, then I'm interested. If the outtakes included in this set only apply to the episodes included, then I have to question if they are planning more vaults later. Why are they even including the episodes at all here? Just so they can charge more? Fans who already own the series don't need the episodes again. Fans who don't yet own them for whatever reason won't be buying this for the episodes since there's only 12 here. So what's the point? Its not like they're interactive or "remastered" or anything special.

[Gone2HiDef]

Judging from the many posts from folks wondering why all the clips aren't simply released in one huge set, I don't think many here have read all the interviews and articles by those involved in producing it how many of the clips aren't really substantial moments. For example, here's what Rod Roddenberry said at the Vegas Trek con.

“To be honest,” said Rod Roddenberry, “Ninety-five percent of it is just the end of the take or something; not that interesting. But the gems were in there – and you need someone to go through all of it to find those gems.”

http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/08/mor...rom-las-vegas/

I'm a big Trek fan, so sure, I've got the original series both on DVD and blu-ray. From what I've read, the Okudas and company have explained enough for me to know the footage they are including will be placed in context to their new documentaries or whatever means they've planned for on the set. So unless there's something in a review from folks who've seen it warning against picking it up for some reason, I will find it impossible for me not to pick this up, for a decent sale price.

[Gone2HiDef]

Here's a new promo clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzwp...ature=youtu.be