Genesis: Part 1 - Paradise Lost (2017) Blu-ray 3D [Region Free]

[Shaggy1978]

Ordered and donated $20. I spent some time perusing the website and was pleasantly surprised to see an attempt to merge theological thought with scientific thought as opposed to pitting one against the other. The donation was to show my appreciation for supporting 3D in the US.

When I grow up I want to get a degree in “3D” and start a company that provides limited edition, professional quality 3D versions of classic films. It would obviously be more of a hobby and labor of love - I wouldn’t expect it to pay the bills but that would be a dream. I suppose the required equipment would make it cost prohibitive? Or licensing rights? Though that could be worked around if I didn’t technically sale these conversions.

Does anyone with basic technical knowledge know if such a hobby is even feasible? I can’t work a “real” job but would love to learn more. I don’t want to waste resources if it’s not even remotely possible.

[wildbill722]

Originally Posted by Shaggy1978

Thanks for your help sir! Would you like to lend me your 77” OLED while you’re at it? I promise to return it when I can afford to buy my own

Hey Shaggy. If I ever was to lend it to anyone it would be you or Joe. You are two of the nicest people I have met on the internet. I just finished watching The Roman Gladiator 3d in Italian. Don't know much Italian but it was very good. Nice 3d and some very good pop outs. Beautiful colors too. And the fight scenes were very funny.

Hope you are doing well. Bill

ps will you please let us know when they ship Genesis? I pre-ordered too.

[Jbug]

I pre-ordered also.

[vinnie97]

Well, Law, interestingly, many of the fantastical stories (parting of the sea) told in the bible do have modern scientific explanations. One reason there isn't a strict adherence to every instruction in the bible is because many of the instructions, especially in the OT, were culturally focused for Jewish custom (I.e. dietary regimen was for food safety whereas in the modern world, food preparation has rendered much of the restrictions moot; however, pork is still an unhealthy meat for humans to consume, as studies have shown in recent years related to cancer occurrence, etc.). The appearance of Jesus in the NT also served, interpretation-dependent, as a fulfillment of a covenant of the original Jews and thus Christendom was not held by all of the original rules (the Ten Commandments being the most notable exception, which have shown in civil society to be beneficial for harmony and function). Also, for life to have been possible to flourish on earth, there are so many cosmic events that had to have occurred perfectly (the distance from the sun being one such value) that statistically, the odds it could all have happened by chance are at magnitudes beyond comprehension (10 to x power). As far as I'm concerned, it takes just as much faith to believe that adding the missing ingredient of time explains away the statistical unlikelihood. There are far too many holes in human understanding to dismiss the possibility of a supernatural creator being. In the past, I'm sure the idea of multiple or parallel dimensions was a preposterous thought, but today it is a legitimate theory and field of study. And I still contend that atheists can absolutely be dogmatic.

[djwcaw]

If it's anything like "Is Genesis History" (avail on Netflix) I'll be passing. In my opinion the theology and the science presented in that film was unconvincing and offered limited support for the view presented (young earth creationism) from either discipline. I'd have to agree with the author in a review of "Genesis Part 1" by a blogger for BioLogos ( https://biologos.org/blogs/guest/gen...missing-voices ) that a strong false dichotomy seems to be presented in these two films for what Christians (do and should) believe. I prefer the more concordist views on faith and science presented by organizations like Reasons To Believe (reasons.org) and even BioLogos treats the science in a fair and respective manner.

[grazina31]

Originally Posted by Shaggy1978

When I grow up I want to get a degree in “3D” and start a company that provides limited edition, professional quality 3D versions of classic films.

I have zero doubt that when glasses free 3D becomes a thing, studios will remaster at least some of their catalog of more sucessful movies in 3D and I’m totally up for it. It pains me that 3D died before someone applied the some love that Titanic gor to blade runner, moulin rouge and the fifth element. These 3 movies are my 3d conversions wishlist.

[emailking]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Also, for life to have been possible to flourish on earth, there are so many cosmic events that had to have occurred perfectly (the distance from the sun being one such value) that statistically, the odds it could all have happened by chance are at magnitudes beyond comprehension (10 to x power). As far as I'm concerned, it takes just as much faith to believe that adding the missing ingredient of time explains away the statistical unlikelihood.

I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Yes the odds of certain physical parameters being in the ranges that they are to support life as we know it is incredibly small. But that doesn't mean the chance of life of some kind is small. Life could very well be shaped to fit the universe it finds itself in, rather than the other way around.

Originally Posted by vinnie97

There are far too many holes in human understanding to dismiss the possibility of a supernatural creator being. In the past, I'm sure the idea of multiple or parallel dimensions was a preposterous thought, but today it is a legitimate theory and field of study. And I still contend that atheists can absolutely be dogmatic.

They can be, sure. But remember there is a difference between lack of belief in a god and a belief in no god. Most atheists are the former, but are often interpreted as being the latter. For example, I don't outright dismiss the possibility of a supernatural creator as you put it (thought if it exists I would likely expand my definition of "natural"), just don't see any compelling evidence for it or reason to believe in one.

[hagios]

If you die right now there is no going back. It is not like you wake up with a hang-over & recover later on.

The gamble against Belief is definitely not worth your eternity.

[Law212]

ACtually there is quite a lot of wiggle room for chances of life . WE have already observed other planets that are within the range of other stars and are earth like that could very well have life on them.

The chance of something only occurring once is slim to none. If something happens once, it can happen again even under extremely rare odds.

Even mars shows that it has or may have had life on it.

Not life like we know on earth, but like regardless.

And if there are other planets (at least one other that I know of) that have similar features of earth like an atmosphere and water and a similar distance to its star , then there could very well be similar life on it.

The thought that there is some spirit who created everything is pretty absurd. ONe thing religious people say to try to debunk the big bang is how can something come from nothing? But then they fail to explain how a spirit comes from nothing. Who created god? Who created god's creator? He cant have come from nothing according to religious people.

Thats why I like movies like Prometheus. Its far more likely that if we were created, it wasnt some all seeing spirit, it was more likely some other species far more advanced than we are.

[hagios]

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by Law212

ONe thing religious people say to try to debunk the big bang is how can something come from nothing?

Careful with those generalizations; the big bang theory was first put forth by a Roman Catholic priest named Georges Lemaître.

[vinnie97]

A supernatural being's origin story is beyond human understanding, but there is nothing preposterous about giving credence to intelligent design. The natural world (both globally and celestially) follows some very predefined rules that requires one to take it on faith that they randomly came to be rather than were predetermined. Anyway, I'm tired of being insulted, so I'm out.

[Law212]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

A supernatural being's origin story is beyond human understanding, but there is nothing preposterous about giving credence to intelligent design. The natural world (both globally and celestially) follows some very predefined rules that requires one to take it on faith that they randomly came to be rather than were predetermined. Anyway, I'm tired of being insulted, so I'm out.

Youd have to believe in the supernatural first. And I don't.

There is no proof whatsoever, no hint no nothing to point to that.

I don't want this to offend anyone, but I don't believe in god I think religion is outdated and holds humanity back .

I would hate to live a certain way because I thought some imaginary being thought that's how I should behave .

That said, I still want to see this movie.

[8traxrule]

Well, regardless of anyone's religious beliefs, has anyone gotten any sort of order confirmation? I paid via Paypal, which was probably a mistake- never got any confirmation at all. Would like to know my order went through and when it ships.

[Shaggy1978]

Mine shipped today!

https://imgur.com/gallery/72C4O

[wildbill722]

Got my tracking number yesterday as well!!

[fatboy1111]

Originally Posted by Shaggy1978

Mine shipped today!

https://imgur.com/gallery/72C4O

Your lucky Shaggy, i think i pre ordered before you did, no shipping for me.....

[Interdimensional]

This looks like some glossy, well-made propaganda that presents dinosaurs in a Garden of Eden scenario, not as a comedy routine, but as both scientific and biblical truth!

On the other hand, it does have dinosaurs and 3-D, so I may well check it out. Of course I can't in good conscience endorse the pseudoscience and unorthodox theology being peddled here. This is not what most Christians believe.

Don't get suckered in by some nice friendly folk with charismatic presentation skills and a lot of theatrical misdirection peppered with cherry-picked facts. Might be fun for what it's worth, but arguments and theories presented within should be taken with more than a few grains of salt.

... However I don't see the need to turn discussion of the topic into a debate about Atheism vs Religion, or Atheism vs Christianity. It's a very fringe group of Christians that subscribe to these beliefs. Most are not young earth creationists.

What does impress me is that they managed to get a 3D film independently funded and released in theaters, and I'm curious if their business model could be adapted for other kinds of movies. I assume it was the religious aspect and organised communities that enabled them to fundraise their budget. As such, it may only be possible for similarly organised communities to replicate such an effort, but I'd love to see other attempts, even if just from fringe elements with bizarre world-views!

Originally Posted by Shaggy1978

Ordered and donated $20. I spent some time perusing the website and was pleasantly surprised to see an attempt to merge theological thought with scientific thought as opposed to pitting one against the other. The donation was to show my appreciation for supporting 3D in the US.

My personal view is that Religion and Science are two very different spheres and should neither be pitted against one another, nor merged. Questions of faith are not to be resolved with scientific evidence, and questions of science are not to be resolved by consulting religious texts.

[Interdimensional]

Originally Posted by Shaggy1978

When I grow up I want to get a degree in “3D” and start a company that provides limited edition, professional quality 3D versions of classic films. It would obviously be more of a hobby and labor of love - I wouldn’t expect it to pay the bills but that would be a dream. I suppose the required equipment would make it cost prohibitive? Or licensing rights? Though that could be worked around if I didn’t technically sale these conversions.

Does anyone with basic technical knowledge know if such a hobby is even feasible? I can’t work a “real” job but would love to learn more. I don’t want to waste resources if it’s not even remotely possible.

I'd like to see all classic 3-D films digitally mastered in 3D, but converting classic 2d films to 3D would be a lot of work. I don't know how much tools can improve, but as things are currently done, there is an extensive amount of manual work involved to produce 3-D worth watching. It is beyond the scope of one person.

I've tried my hand at doing 3D conversions of 2d still images, and that is certainly doable on a hobby basis, but still requires a lot of work to get good results.

[emailking]

Originally Posted by Interdimensional

My personal view is that Religion and Science are two very different spheres and should neither be pitted against one another, nor merged. Questions of faith are not to be resolved with scientific evidence, and questions of science are not to be resolved by consulting religious texts.

I don't see why not. Especially if it is scientifically testable.

So maybe say, the existence of an afterlife may not be something that current science can deal with (maybe eventually it can). On the other hand, something like miracles is directly addressable by science. (If the religious interpretation of miracles is correct, maybe science needs to be expanded, but it's still a scientific question.)

The movie is trying to appeal to science to justify Genesis. That's the right way to approach it, even if the conclusion is wrong.

Based on your comments, you appear to reject a young earth creation theory, presumably because it's not consistent with what science has found? Yet for many people, that's a question of faith.

Science is the investigation of what there is and how it works. Even the existence of a god is a scientific question, even if science can't resolve it at the moment.